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Originally posted by Snoozin:

I say *ideally* because obviously I don't live up to this a lot of the time.

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
I agree snoozing ,, but she is a low calss person and would not get it when I tell her to stop being rude,, what you said can work with normal human being not with such thing like her

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Do we have freedom of speech where Islamists rule? Islam is not democratic, Islam is expansionist and imperialist. It wants to subdue and dominate.
I believe the fundamentalists know and practice the fundaments of Islam. They are the true Muslims. I base that on the fact that Muhammad himself was a fundamentalist and an extremist.

Many Muslims however, are hiding their head in the sand and pretend that Islam is something else than it is. Their Islam is not the real Islam. It is called bida (innovation) and it was frowned upon by Muhammad. Can any Muslim change what the Quran says or override the sunnah? Isn’t killing the apostates, the atheists and the polytheists recommended in the Quran? Isn’t dhimmitude and Jizzyah instructed in the Quran? Isn't Jihad a pillar of Islam? Isn’t amputating the hands of the petty thief prescribed in the Quran? Isn’t polygamy thought in the Quran? Isn’t denial of women’s right to equality in inheritance and in testimony sanctioned by the Quran?
How can you change all these things without scrapping the Quran?

Muslims are brainwashed into believing Muhammad was a perfect example to follow.
They really think Islam teaches moral values. Well, is stoning victims of adultery moral value? Is raping women captured in war moral? Is torturing people moral? Is raiding unarmed people and massacring them moral? Yet all these and more were what Muhammad did. They think just because a Muslim cover her hair she is a moral person. But what hair has to do with morality? What baggy cloths and looking ugly have to do with morality? Muslim values are upside down.

Muhammad set bad examples for his followers to follow. He ordered that the apostates should be put to death. He could not tolerate any dissent. According to the Quran all the infidels must be killed or subdued, humiliated and reduced to second class citizens. He raided caravans, beheaded and assasinated himself many of his opponents. His view on democracy?

”When a pledge of allegiance is given to two caliphs, kill the one for whom the oath was taken later.” Narrated by Abu Said Al-khudri, The book of leadership, Sahih Muslim.

Even based on the past standards what Muhammad did was inhumane and unjust. The world had many just rulers and wise sages before Muhammad. More than a thousand years before him Cyrus, the King of Persia wrote the first charter of Human Rights where he gave freedom of belief and equality to all the nations subject to his rule. He wrote:

I am Kourosh (Cyrus), great king,…Now that I put the crown of the kingdom of Iran, Babylon, and the nations of the four directions on the head with the help of Ahura, I announce that I will respect the traditions, customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my governors and subordinates look down on or insult them while I am alive. …I will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it, and if any one of them rejects it, I never resolve on war to reign. While I am the king…I will never let anyone oppress others,… I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. While I am alive, I will prevent unpaid, forced labour. Today, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion.…No one could be penalised for his or her relatives' faults… http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/hakhamaneshian/Cyrus-the-great/cyrus_cylinder.htm

I'm not your father, if you need confrontation turn to mohsen he will be pleased.

It's not even about religion it's about how an unbalanced person you are, deaf to death ,i don't any interaction with you, you are like a cancer or some virus to me,
I don't want to lower myself to your level.

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Originally posted by Columbo:
Go hang yourself.

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
it depends on who I teach ,, for stupied people like Kingdom ,, and KAFIR when he attcks islam and Prophet Mohamed ,, I have to be hard one .. they deserve that ..

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i read kafir's post first line only and i felt i was going to throw my laptop across the room.
excuse kingdom she's a woman (she may have pms you know)

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
Taba2Koshari:stop your crap about your fucken son's name and the german pimp who **** you every day .. and shut your pussy...LOL again... by the way did I tell you that you are even chepaer trhan a whore!!! and may be this whay no egyptian man wanted to **** you....LOL,, you you respect kafir ,, because you are similar to him ,, and you are not muslim or may be muslim one who got married to stupied german nonmulsim , so you are another kafir..LOL

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Originally posted by Columbo:

you can't expect from others what you expect for yourself

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
NOW KAFIR , I got rid for the stupied KINGDOM.. so it is your turn again ,, what is your religion ,, so i can deal with you in a better way

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Originally posted by ngeg:
CLOMBOS
are u on drugs or are u mohsen?

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I will not get upset by your unhealthy comment, i don't want to play that game no more.

Especially with someone that is so disrespecting that he just mis-spelled my User-name.

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
Taba2Koshari:stop your crap about your fucken son's name and the german pimp who **** you every day .. and shut your pussy...LOL again... by the way did I tell you that you are even chepaer trhan a whore!!! and may be this whay no egyptian man wanted to **** you....LOL,, you you respect kafir ,, because you are similar to him ,, and you are not muslim or may be muslim one who got married to stupied german nonmulsim , so you are another kafir..LOL

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mohsen?
what is this filth man?

you know for sometime now i've been watching your naiive pursue for an unequal fight with kafir (yes absolutely unequal, you may not notice it but he's 1000000 times smarter than you), i wanted to tell you to grow up but always held myself back, but now this?

you can't speak like this to a lady no matter what she told you first.
i think she was right about you and that dysfunction after all.

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Originally posted by Snoozin:

I know, she wasn't very nice either. I should just stay out of it entirely. I'm sorry to both of you, Kingdom and Mohsen.

I was upset with you because you said you were Muslim, and here I am a new Muslim.

I'm mean too sometimes. I'm not perfect. I'm just not used to that type of language, it was a bit shocking.

I've said too much. I'm sorry to all.

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Shocking ...sure sure
so u think be muslim make ppl better LOL
wake up sleeping princes

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Originally posted by Morgan:

Shocking ...sure sure
so u think be muslim make ppl better LOL
wake up sleeping princes

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I'm a princess, Morgan.

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Originally posted by Snoozin:

I know, she wasn't very nice either. I should just stay out of it entirely. I'm sorry to both of you, Kingdom and Mohsen.

I was upset with you because you said you were Muslim, and here I am a new Muslim.

I'm mean too sometimes. I'm not perfect. I'm just not used to that type of language, it was a bit shocking.

I've said too much. I'm sorry to all.

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Cut the bullsh*t will you. You actually use that type of language yourself. You all try to act so morally correct in one breath, talking about what great muslims you are, and cursing someone out in another. You all are fake.

Let's explore some of this shocking language you are not used to.

The Koshari Bitch:
"Oh no, that was not what I meant by my post. They don't give a sshhiitt about peopl's health in Egypt, so this is not the reason tampons are hard to find, the reason is probably cultural (nothing in the vagina or bust). Moreover, pads can also cause toxic shock as well.
The only substitute for cotton is synthetic pads, like Allways (horrible, feel like one's pussy is on fire)."
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006673.html

"Sshit no! Let's hope she's just too busy to get online." http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006691.html

"I'm sure he's not that much of an ass to be disappointed.." http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006799.html

"Thank God I don't have a brother cos he would have grown up in a culture telling him he's better than me. Yes I thought of killing some relatives, for example my uncle cos he's a wife beater & an asssshole, but I would prefer him to die of brain-scabies!" http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006819.html

"Kafir4ever, I feel like chopping your thing off & turning you into Fakir4ever!" http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006848.html

"SAY THAT TO YOURSELF. YOU & YOUR AIR-HEADED FELLOW MEN" http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006932.html

"Wearing the veil in Egypt is becoming a group hysteria. In most cases it's worn to keep nosy asshole men away, to find a husband, or to save the hairdresser's money. Of course many of those who wear it are claiming otherwise..
Wearing the veil in Europe or the U.S. is mostly due to family pressure, or a slight degree of masochism. " http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/Forum2/HTML/006974.html

Well there's much more, I think you get the point.

You should really be shocked to hear an Egyptian woman talk like her. I have never heard it on this site or in person. She deserves the way Mohsen speaks to her in my opinion. She is a discredit to their culture by marrying a non muslim man and taking on the worst attributes of western culture...the foul mouth. I'm sure she married him to have little blonde children because she is so insecure with her own and her own men.

To The Koshary Bitch-Ik ben zeker ontmoette uw echtgenoot in een toeristentoevlucht. Ik ontmoette heel wat Egyptische meisjes als u om vreemdelingen te zoeken om hen uit armoede te verwijderen. Ik ben zeker u waitress was of de buikdanser, u van lage klasse is.

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Originally posted by Dalia:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mohsen1000:
[b]well at least i will go to heaven straight or not .. what about yourself psycho girl ,,

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Originally posted by Dalia:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mohsen1000:
[b]well at least i will go to heaven straight or not .. what about yourself psycho girl ,,

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Whose translation is this?

Shakir's translation states 4:148
"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech unless (it be) by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. "

The key word is "unless", meaning "if" someone has wronged you, you have every right to speak hurtfully towards them!

and 4:186
"When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. Allah takes careful account of all things"

How could any muslim claim to have 10 times more respect for a nonbeliever than a believer?? Kafir has uttered nothing but anti-islamic jargon since the moment he joined this site. He is not worthy of an ounce of respect! I probably would have said something like I respect you as little as I respect him, but I wouldn't give him anything that resembles respect.

4.144
" O ye who believe! Choose not disbelievers for (your) friends in place of believers. "

Islam deals with reality, let's not sugar coat it with the Christian "Love Thine Enemy" concepts. We're taught to fight our enemies until they bring peace.

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Originally posted by hassancheb:

Shakir's translation states 4:148
"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech unless (it be) by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing. "

The key word is "unless", meaning "if" someone has wronged you, you have every right to speak hurtfully towards them!

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I disagree with you, i think the key word is "injustice", how do you define it?

For you, someone opposing islam is committing an injustice and there is no problem insulting him.

Well i have a different idea of the word injustice.

It seems to me that Mohsen is not suffering at all from any injustice, he is strong and has strong values (which makes him friendly to me) as the satirization of others shows it.

On the other hand it seems to me that kafir and koshari lover have been victims of an injustice, especially kafir whose taste for confronting others may reveal an absence of his father or his father's irresponsibility to him.
We don't know.

And when we don't know it's preferable not to judge
and when we know and understand, it's hard to judge.

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Originally posted by Lenochka:
Cut the bullsh*t will you. You actually use that type of language yourself.

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Excuse me, Lenochka -- you are telling me to cut the bullshit because I use this language myself, yet you quote My Kingdom?

In any event, does the language itself bother you, or the fact that My Kingdom is a *woman* using this language bother you....

Exodus 15:3 "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name"

Exodus 17:16 "For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation."

Exodus 17:9 "Moses said to Joshua, "Choose some of our men and go out to fight the Amalekites. Tomorrow I will stand on top of the hill with the staff of God in my hands."

Numbers 32:27 "But your servants, every man armed for battle, will cross over to fight before the LORD, just as our lord says"

God can’t be cruel, unjust, whimsical and unforgiving. These are not divine qualities, these are satanic qualities. So if any religion has a god with these characteristics, that religion is demonic not divine.
Everything in the koran says that Allah is most forgiving, merciful, and benevolent. It doesn't teach the Allah is cruel or unjust, these are your "own" words. Don't twist the truth, too many people see thru you! You make it sound as if God is a passive God, that you can sin, not serve Him, and He just sits there forgiving everything you do bad because Jesus (saw) "died for your sins?" God is merciful, but also a punishing God, God has destroyed worlds before us, and will destroy this world in the Final Judgement, all religions teach this, you need to read your Christian Revelations and get a grip on reality, because as forgiving as God is, He does get angry and will punish us with fire if we are not submissive and obedient or reward us with Paradise for obeying and serving. None of the "Books" have a passive God.

Based on what I see in the Quran and learn from the examples of Muhammad I came to realize that the god of Islam is not the real God of this universe. Muhammad either made up the whole thing, fabricated a god to fool people and take advantage of their gullibility or he was directed by Satan.

The Allah of the koran is the "creator" of the universe, there is only ONE God, not a God of Chrisitianity, one of Islam, one of Judaism, muslims don't believe this, maybe you do.

As regards to Christianity, it really does not matter whether they believe in trinity and whether trinity is a logical fallacy or not. If you go to Christian churches you meet people who smile and shake hands. Who share good moments with each other and sometimes have a Sunday lunch together, and you feel there is love in the air. They talk about projects to help people, young boys and girls volunteer to do missionary work and improve the lives of someone in other countries and I like that. I like that “Christian spirit” of fellowship and love. When you go to mosques, you hear the sermons and it is filled with hate.(and they quote the Quran).
Lies, the mosques are filled with love and brotherhood. Smiling faces, charity workers, kindness and submission to Allah. Their main purpose there is to serve Allah and worship Him, not to "fellowship", they can do that outside of the mosque.

If Islam were just like other religions dedicated to 'salvaging the souls', the world would not be against it. The world is against the political aspect of Islam, ie against Jihad and Islamic domination. However, you can’t separate it from Islam. Domination is its raison d'etre.

There are more people in the world "against" Bush's war, and many others against terrorism, and guess what Sherlock, muslims are against terrorism as well.

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Originally posted by mohsen1000:
snoozing ,, did you like wht she said first ? can you answer please?

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Originally posted by Columbo:
I disagree with you, i think the key word is "injustice", how do you define it?

For you, someone opposing islam is committing an injustice and there is no problem insulting him.

Well i have a different idea of the word injustice.

It seems to me that Mohsen is not suffering at all from any injustice, he is strong and has strong values (which makes him friendly to me) as the satirization of others shows it.

On the other hand it seems to me that kafir and koshari lover have been victims of an injustice, especially kafir whose taste for confronting others may reveal an absence of his father or his father's irresponsibility to him.
We don't know.

And when we don't know it's preferable not to judge
and when we know and understand, it's hard to judge.

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Actually let me first clarify myself, I pointed out the keyword "unless" to highlight that there are "two" parts to this verse, as Dalia seemed to be concentrating on the part that one should not utter bad speech.....missing the part about "unless"...., indicating that there is an "exception" to when someone "can" utter hurtful speech.

Secondly, I was referring to the fact that he was saying hurtful words in response to someone who had obviously "wronged" him,i.e. said something hurtful to him "first'. Only he can define what hurts him or not.

Injustice is defined as unfair no matter how you choose to phrase it. It doesn't matter to me what's missing from Kaffir's personal life, if you attack my beliefs, then in essence you are attacking me. If you insult me, then I will in essence insult you in turn. Mohsen's language was foul, and there is no excuse for it, but he does have a right to respond to attacks against him by counter attacking if that's what he chooses.

I have hurt people without using any profanity at all, but I am kind when people are kind to me, in other words I reflect off what I receive from them.

Some of the weaker amongst us thnk simply disagreeing with them, makes you an attacker. You disagreed with me, and I didn't take it as an attack at all. Kaffir doesn't have to 'agree' with Islam, but when he belittles it, and demoralizes our Prophet (saw) then you'd better believe it's an insult, and he wil be dealt with accordingly.

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Originally posted by kafir4 ever:
Columbo, the fact that there are so many branches of Islam only prove that Islam is false, not that it is democratic. In what way is Islam democratic?

Do we have freedom of speech where Islamists rule? Islam is not democratic, Islam is expansionist and imperialist. It wants to subdue and dominate.
I believe the fundamentalists know and practice the fundaments of Islam. They are the true Muslims. I base that on the fact that Muhammad himself was a fundamentalist and an extremist.

Many Muslims however, are hiding their head in the sand and pretend that Islam is something else than it is. Their Islam is not the real Islam. It is called bida (innovation) and it was frowned upon by Muhammad. Can any Muslim change what the Quran says or override the sunnah? Isn’t killing the apostates, the atheists and the polytheists recommended in the Quran? Isn’t dhimmitude and Jizzyah instructed in the Quran? Isn't Jihad a pillar of Islam? Isn’t amputating the hands of the petty thief prescribed in the Quran? Isn’t polygamy thought in the Quran? Isn’t denial of women’s right to equality in inheritance and in testimony sanctioned by the Quran?
How can you change all these things without scrapping the Quran?

Muslims are brainwashed into believing Muhammad was a perfect example to follow.
They really think Islam teaches moral values. Well, is stoning victims of adultery moral value? Is raping women captured in war moral? Is torturing people moral? Is raiding unarmed people and massacring them moral? Yet all these and more were what Muhammad did. They think just because a Muslim cover her hair she is a moral person. But what hair has to do with morality? What baggy cloths and looking ugly have to do with morality? Muslim values are upside down.

Muhammad set bad examples for his followers to follow. He ordered that the apostates should be put to death. He could not tolerate any dissent. According to the Quran all the infidels must be killed or subdued, humiliated and reduced to second class citizens. He raided caravans, beheaded and assasinated himself many of his opponents. His view on democracy?

[b] ”When a pledge of allegiance is given to two caliphs, kill the one for whom the oath was taken later.” Narrated by Abu Said Al-khudri, The book of leadership, Sahih Muslim.

Even based on the past standards what Muhammad did was inhumane and unjust. The world had many just rulers and wise sages before Muhammad. More than a thousand years before him Cyrus, the King of Persia wrote the first charter of Human Rights where he gave freedom of belief and equality to all the nations subject to his rule. He wrote:

I am Kourosh (Cyrus), great king,…Now that I put the crown of the kingdom of Iran, Babylon, and the nations of the four directions on the head with the help of Ahura, I announce that I will respect the traditions, customs and religions of the nations of my empire and never let any of my governors and subordinates look down on or insult them while I am alive. …I will impose my monarchy on no nation. Each is free to accept it, and if any one of them rejects it, I never resolve on war to reign. While I am the king…I will never let anyone oppress others,… I will never let anyone take possession of movable and landed properties of the others by force or without compensation. While I am alive, I will prevent unpaid, forced labour. Today, I announce that everyone is free to choose a religion.…No one could be penalised for his or her relatives' faults… http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/History/hakhamaneshian/Cyrus-the-great/cyrus_cylinder.htm

So in the past all the people were not savages. Even in Arabia , prior to Muhammad, the Arabs were tolerant people. Religious intolerance and religious wars were unknown in that country before Muhammad. Jews, Christians, and a multitude of pagan faiths lived together side by side, Intermingled and intermarried. Arabs were as tolerant as Hindus. It is unbelievable how Muhammad filled these people with so much religious bigotry and hatred. It is also unbelievable that the same people who followed the above charter now influenced by Muhammad, stone women to death.[/B]

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Originally posted by Columbo:

I'm not holding to my idea of truth like a child holding his favorite toy just like you guys doing.

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Listen, don't test my patience, and don't reduce my religious values to child's play. I am defending my beliefs, and if that's child's play to you, then I don't care to discuss what you believe in a logical manner!

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Originally posted by hassancheb:
Listen, don't test my patience, and don't reduce my religious values to child's play. I am defending my beliefs, and if that's child's play to you, then I don't care to discuss what you believe in a logical manner!

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No you listen, i'm not testing anyone's patience that's not a game i like to play.

Like you've just said it you are not defending the Prophet you are defending your vision of the Prophet (i'm defending my beliefs), if you were willing to defend Something Superior than your tiny point of view, everyone would feel it and then you would be able to convert an atheist into a believer.

And to convince me not to test your patience.

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Originally posted by Columbo:
I disagree with you, i think the key word is "injustice", how do you define it?

For you, someone opposing islam is committing an injustice and there is no problem insulting him.

Well i have a different idea of the word injustice.

It seems to me that Mohsen is not suffering at all from any injustice, he is strong and has strong values (which makes him friendly to me) as the satirization of others shows it.

On the other hand it seems to me that kafir and koshari lover have been victims of an injustice, especially kafir whose taste for confronting others may reveal an absence of his father or his father's irresponsibility to him.
We don't know.

And when we don't know it's preferable not to judge
and when we know and understand, it's hard to judge.

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I disagree with both of you and Hassancheb!

I find it hard to believe that the Ayah was referring to profanity. To my knowledge, it refers to slander and backbiting.

Do you really think Allah Subhanahu Wataala gave Muslims permission to curse each other

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Originally posted by Columbo:
No you listen, i'm not testing anyone's patience that's not a game i like to play.

Like you've just said it you are not defending the Prophet you are defending your vision of the Prophet (i'm defending my beliefs), if you were willing to defend Something Superior than your tiny point of view, everyone would feel it and then you would be able to convert an atheist into a believer.

And to convince me not to test your patience.

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This statement was totally illogical, in defending one's "beliefs", you don't have to convince them to accept your "beliefs", you are just letting them know that they will not convince you of their version of your beliefs.

While you are trying to define injustice, why don't you research the word "defend" and tell me how that is synonomous with "convert".

An atheist has a right to defend their beliefs just as I have a right to defend mine, it's that simple, not brain surgery.

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Originally posted by hassancheb:
This statement was totally illogical, in defending one's "beliefs", you don't have to convince them to accept your "beliefs", you are just letting them know that they will not convince you of their version of your beliefs.

While you are trying to define injustice, why don't you research the word "defend" and tell me how that is synonomous with "convert".

An atheist has a right to defend their beliefs just as I have a right to defend mine, it's that simple, not brain surgery.

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Originally posted by Automatic For The People:

Do you really think Allah Subhanahu Wataala gave Muslims permission to curse each other

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Of course i don't Automatic, i regret though it's automatic for the people to curse at each other,

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Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
I disagree with both of you and Hassancheb!

I find it hard to believe that the Ayah was referring to profanity. To my knowledge, it refers to slander and backbiting.

Do you really think Allah Subhanahu Wataala gave Muslims permission to curse each other

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AFTB, when a muslim defends a non believer or one that is anti-islamic, that muslim in turn becomes a hypocrite.

I was not defending his use of "profanity" so you are not disagreeing with me here, I was quoting his right to counter attack or "utter hurtful words" when he feels he has been wronged.

And again don't sugar coat Islam, there are many negative terms used against non-believers, hypocrites, and apostates, nothing "favorable" is said in regards to the transgressors.

Did you know that Ayisha(saw) and used to ask Allah to invoke curses and evil on people that uttered bad words againt the Prophet(saw). The Prophet(saw) himself would ask Allah to invoke curses and evil amongst his enemies. Don't become an Islamic apologist, our religion is what it is, and Allah knows best.

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Originally posted by hassancheb:
AFTB, when a muslim defends a non believer or one that is anti-islamic, that muslim in turn becomes a hypocrite.

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What exactly does that mean?

I was not defending his use of "profanity" so you are not disagreeing with me here, I was quoting his right to counter attack or "utter hurtful words" when he feels he has been wronged.

And again don't sugar coat Islam, there are many negative terms used against non-believers, hypocrites, and apostates, nothing "favorable" is said in regards to the transgressors.

Did you know that Ayisha(saw) and used to ask Allah to invoke curses and evil on people that uttered bad words againt the Prophet(saw). The Prophet(saw) himself would ask Allah to invoke curses and evil amongst his enemies. Don't become an Islamic apologist, our religion is what it is, and Allah knows best.

The problem is with your "translation". Again, to my limited knowledge, the verse was referring to slander. That is, you should not speak ill of someone unless they have wronged you and not as retaliation but as a matter of fact. It is not abut an eye for an eye or invoking curses and evil.

4:148 Allah loveth not that evil should be noised abroad in public speech, except where injustice hath been done; for Allah is He who heareth and knoweth all things.

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Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
4:140 Already has He sent you Word in the Book, that when ye hear the signs of Allah held in defiance and ridicule, ye are not to sit with them unless they turn to a different theme: if ye did, ye would be like them. For Allah will collect the hypocrites and those who defy faith - all in Hell:-

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I assume this is adressing to me.

I would like to point out that the first thing i learned about being a muslim was to be humble about our Faith.
We obviously have not learned Faith the same way.
I have limited knowledge on Islamic jurisprudence but i'm sure it includes the duty of staying humble.

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Originally posted by Columbo:
I assume this is adressing to me.

I would like to point out that the first thing i learned about being a muslim was to be humble about our Faith.
We obviously have not learned Faith the same way.
I have limited knowledge on Islamic jurisprudence but i'm sure it includes the duty of staying humble.

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Sonomod! Is that you?

Get Opera

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Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
Sonomod! Is that you?

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Originally posted by Columbo:
OK you are a brave man, i'm an illogical person.
You are such a Winner and so logical i'm asking myself how i lived until now without having met a brilliant person like you.

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Not only are you illogical but also sexually biased aren't you? Didn't think for a second that the person you are debating with could be a female. So that would make me a braveWOMAN

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Originally posted by Columbo:
Hassancheb you really should be named Sheikh at the al Azhar, your knowledge is so unbeatable.

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The problem is with your "translation". Again, to my limited knowledge, the verse was referring to slander. That is, you should not speak ill of someone unless they have wronged you and not as retaliation but as a matter of fact. It is not abut an eye for an eye or invoking curses and evil.

Actually it's not my "translation" it's Shakir's English translation. I think you are trying to say my "interpretation". And yes this is how I "interpreted" it, in it's context. There is nothing else in the verses preceding it, nor succeeding it, that would clarify that it is only referring to slander. So this is your own interpretation, and I have mine. The verse says nothing about speaking ill "of" or "about" someone, it just talks about speaking harsh words publicly, rather you are talking "to" someone or "about" someone is a matter of interpretation.

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Originally posted by hassancheb:
Is this the tactic you resort to once you feel defeated in a debate...sarcasm. Sorry it doesn't work for me. Try again, I'll be awake until until fajr.

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If only it had to do with winning or losing.
When you grow up you'll remember my words, if you don't grow up, you will remember my words on your death bed.
I admit i failed, i failed making you look at yourself with more intelligence.

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Originally posted by Columbo:
Being faithful doesn't necessarily means you have to express it being impetuous.

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Columbo, Islam is about being submissive to Allah. And we each have an islamic duty to defend out beliefs. I don't think there is anything rash about defending with you believe in. The Prophet(saw) said that the one who fights in the cause of Allah is not equal to the one who is passive. I hope you understand the meaning of that.

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Originally posted by Columbo:
If only it had to do with winning or losing.
When you grow up you'll remember my words, if you don't grow up, you will remember my words on your death bed.
I admit i failed, i failed making you look at yourself with more intelligence.

Let me tell you the story of a french policeman: he was a killer. But he was participating in the research of that killer.
See how someone is sometimes brought to research what in fact he is in his deep self.

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You don't honestly think I was waiting on you to educate me do you? I will barely remember your words when I log off this internet, much less on my death bed, they are illogical and have no lasting effect, sorry to burst your bubble.

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Originally posted by hassancheb:
Columbo, Islam is about being submissive to Allah. And we each have an islamic duty to defend out beliefs. I don't think there is anything rash about defending with you believe in. The Prophet(saw) said that the one who fights in the cause of Allah is not equal to the one who is passive. I hope you understand the meaning of that.

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For me there's a difference between fighting for beliefs and fighting for Allah, when you fight for beliefs, you are speaking in your own word, if you fight for Allah and fighting in the name of Allah, there you fight for something greater than you and you appear as greater than your opponent.

He cut his opponent's leg. He was about to kill the man when this one spit on him.

He went for a 5 minutes walk and came back and killed the man.