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Originally posted by Humanized:
there are reasons and causes. and im not defending or attacking any of them.

but the fact is , the situation was out of control because radicalists were considered as insects. same insects made the tragic accident of luxor 1998 , and terrorism didnt stop untill there was a compromise between Gov and I.Bros. , then why didnt they save us all the trouble since the start - why did egypt had to suffer!

just an opinion but who cares.

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I think the problem was due to the fact that the Muslim Brotherhood didn't want to share power with a republican government (notice I didn't say democratic or socialist?)

Muslim Brotherhood wanted a government of Sharia, and to run it like KSA or Iran.

Due to the fact that some of the Muslim Brotherhood got their act together and started to run for office instead of totally unseating the government or a "revolution" they were calling for says the Muslim Brotherhood came to terms and the republican government had to allow these Brotherhood turned politicians to be in office.

I don't think you understand how much these 'radicals' were willing to sacrifice what little existance, security, livelihood, let alone civilian rights Egyptians had just so they could push their form of radical beliefs on the rest of the nation.

But hey, I do believe that in 40 years or less Egypt will become an Iran, not even a KSA.

And believe me my in-laws do occasionally bring it up as a way of "we need you in our lives just in case our existance in Egypt is endangered".

And yes when it happens I will have plans and money in place to help as many relocate as possible. The family that lives in Italy and France have the same fear.

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Originally posted by Humanized:
hi Auto
you mean you didnt know about Imbaba and Dayroot incidents?

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No, actually I don't. I would be interested in details!

Nevertheless, I don't think you really meant to phrase it this way:

"police also used to shoot them down in the streets back in 1992 because prisons were full."

I found the following on the net! Is that what happened?

"In late November, 1992, al-Gama'a took over the working class Cairo neighborhood of Imbaba and declared it an "Islamic Republic." (Imbaba had been a stronghold of extremist support since the 1980s where "Islam" had become a cover for all sorts of racketeering by common criminals.) Government response was swift and forceful. A few weeks later in December, 1992, 14,000 Egyptian troops stormed Imbaba and occupied it for six weeks putting an end to the "republic." After this, the tide turned against extreme Islamist movements in Egypt. Huge sums of money were invested to rebuild and improve the societal infrastructure there in a successful effort on the government's part to undercut any remaining role al-Gama'a played as a deliverer of reliable social services. Mosques were put under the firm control of the Ministry of Religious Affairs. "

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Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
No, actually I don't. I would be interested in details!

Nevertheless, I don't think you really meant to phrase it this way:

"police also used to shoot them down in the streets back in 1992 [b]because prisons were full."

I found the following on the net! Is that what happened?

"In late November, 1992, al-Gama'a took over the working class Cairo neighborhood of Imbaba and declared it an "Islamic Republic." (Imbaba had been a stronghold of extremist support since the 1980s where "Islam" had become a cover for all sorts of racketeering by common criminals.) Government response was swift and forceful. A few weeks later in December, 1992, 14,000 Egyptian troops stormed Imbaba and occupied it for six weeks putting an end to the "republic." After this, the tide turned against extreme Islamist movements in Egypt. Huge sums of money were invested to rebuild and improve the societal infrastructure there in a successful effort on the government's part to undercut any remaining role al-Gama'a played as a deliverer of reliable social services. Mosques were put under the firm control of the Ministry of Religious Affairs. "
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yes thats a part of what was happened , the other part where the troops used to kill the suspects without bringing them to a police station nor following any procedures , and im talking about susbects ; people with beards were assumed suspects.

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Originally posted by kafir4 ever:
A few mysogynistic Christians practice it too (inspired by their Muslim compatriots) but they are few and far between. The practice may not be Islamic in its origin, however it is santioned by Islam. Even if we assume that this practice was prevalent at the time of Muhammad, why didn't he set things straight? Obviously Muhammad saw nothing wrong in it.
If he supposedly abolished female infanticide, why couldn't he abolish FGM too?
Didn’t he call the people of his time 'ignorant'? Instead of setting good examples he followed their ways? Was he the guide or was he the follower? The fact that Islam adopted this practice and the fact that every time the Egyptian government is trying to do something about it, meet with furious resistance from Islamic clerics make this practice Islamic.

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Originally posted by Humanized:
i agree with you Trouble

the thing is , such behavior is not the default and we are not arrested in the streets for no reason like in the 60's and early 70's.
for ex: after sharm bombings around 5000 individuals were arrested in red-sea during 1 week , and it was for a good reason , after rumors of attacking Hurghada.

one time i was talking to a friend working in Mabaheth - i asked him as a friend , is it right to threat people and take them into prison even for 1 night for no reason.

he answered : Allah yel3an de sho3'lana - but i dont have a choice.

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Humanized, You're absloutly right that things now are noway close to it in 50s 60s ,70s and even 80s and 90s . Nasser's kind of emergency law (while was not legally admitted) yet was the worst.About arresting for no reason from streets (and I'm talking about Cairo safe streets)the last I heared about it was like 8 yrs ago and since that I don't remember knowing anyone who was taken from streets. they used to send cars collecting suspects from streets, those wearing galabyah or have beards but don't hear about this anymore.

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Originally posted by Automatic For The People:
No, actually I don't. I would be interested in details!

Nevertheless, I don't think you really meant to phrase it this way:

"police also used to shoot them down in the streets back in 1992 [b]because prisons were full."

I found the following on the net! Is that what happened?

"In late November, 1992, al-Gama'a took over the working class Cairo neighborhood of Imbaba and declared it an "Islamic Republic." (Imbaba had been a stronghold of extremist support since the 1980s where "Islam" had become a cover for all sorts of racketeering by common criminals.) Government response was swift and forceful. A few weeks later in December, 1992, 14,000 Egyptian troops stormed Imbaba and occupied it for six weeks putting an end to the "republic." After this, the tide turned against extreme Islamist movements in Egypt. Huge sums of money were invested to rebuild and improve the societal infrastructure there in a successful effort on the government's part to undercut any remaining role al-Gama'a played as a deliverer of reliable social services. Mosques were put under the firm control of the Ministry of Religious Affairs. "

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