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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vesuvius: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by niva: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by niva: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by messenger: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by pinkmoon: [qb] And i am repeating my question : Why an Egyptian man asks his girl friend or fiancee or wife to put on the veil while he is not even praying and praying is the main thing in islam and the veil is an order but not one of the 5 main things?! [/qb][/QUOTE]Becasue an Egyptpian man wants the best for his wife. He want her to be pious and protect her from sins. He doesn't pray, but he doesn't wish you harm. He doesn't pray but he doesn't want to see you using drugs, he deosn't pray but he doesn't want you getting drunk, he doesn't pray but he doesn't want you to steal. Do you get the point, the two are not mutually exclusive. He know he should be praying but that doesn't mean he's lost all his faith. Why did you brother marry a Russian, why did your uncle (I think it is your uncle) married a western woman? [/qb][/QUOTE]you are like most egyptian men are waisting your time in finding excuses for all the wrong things you do in life instead of trying to do the right things... [/qb][/QUOTE]Believe me I don't need excuses, I know exactly what I'm doing. I'm just clarifying for you and other that you have no clue where the problems truly lie. You want to be faithful to Islam, find yourself a religious guy and have a wonderful life. You want western guy for his western ways, forget about religion and again have a wonderful life. You and pinkmoon had a flawed argument from the outset. You did not only criticize Egyptian men for their behavior but you wanted a western man's lifestyle while keeping to Islam. Now that's what I disagree with. pinkmoon ,specifically, clearly wants to do at least some of what Egyptian men do just with out the backlash. [/qb][/QUOTE]you are not right.. off course we critisize the egyptian men for their behaviour which is so so far from what the religion says. there was one man went to the west and he made a quote saying : "i found there muslims without islam and i found here islam without muslims" he said this because he found the poeple there in west honest, direct, dont break their promises, respect others privacy... and so other many things, and those poeple have the behaviour of the islam our religion but they are not muslims. and he found the poeple here liers, has double faces or maybe many faces, cheat, steel, dont respect other privacy, talk bad about each other, .., and so other many bad things, and those poeple doesnt have the behaviour of islam but they are muslims. now another question why the egyptians worry about what the other poeple think of them and dont worry about what god think of them? why they like to look perfect in front of the poeple while they are not perfect from inside? why the girls put hijab for the sake of poeple not for the sake of god? why the poeple go home early for their neighbours not think bad of them while they are doing during the day all the wrong things when they are away from home? why the poeple fear from poeple and not fear from god? why egyptian men go dance with us in club and tell us that we are good girls and when they are turning their backs they say about us bad girls because we go dancing in disco? why egyptian men go to pray on friday and go to dance in the night the same day and when we pray and go to dance with them they tell us "how come u pray and u dance in the disco , god will not take ur pray"? what do they mean by this? why when i am at work some managers steel money from the hotel and when i have a respectful talk with foreigner guy in the lobby of the hotel they say i dont allow u to do so because i am conservative? how he can be a theif and be conservative? why the 7ashish ,the cigaretes, the sex .. are for men? why being polite, religious, conservative... should be the behaviour of the woman only? why when the men cheat a woman we say he is clever and when he do sex we clap for him? why the egyptian woman canot walk in confort way in the street? why she has to put hijab to protect herself from men instead of do it for the sake of god? if i keep writing why why why from here till next month i will not finish [/qb][/QUOTE]Yes of course this is wrong and it must be very frustrating for you, but the men you are talking about are the ones in the clubs, or the ones stealing, or womanising, so you know from the outset that you are talking to hypocrites. I have heard that quote before about there being more muslims in the west, but to be fair, I DO think it depends where you look. I could give you a long list of things wrong with western men if I look at a certain type, but there are all sorts of men everywhere. I agree that its good to stick up for equality and womens rights etc. But I dont think this has to be all on our terms. How many Egyptian women are getting married with the idea in their mind that once they have a baby they will need to go straight back out to work, and if grandma is also out working, and auntie, are they prepared to send their children to childcare? Are they prepared to have all their money paid into keeping the family? Are they prepared to go halves on providing a house to live in and go halves on the furniture? If yes then great, go ahead, I am sure there are some Egyptian men out there that would rather not have this financial burden. If an Egyptian woman wants to go clubbing and have no one judge her because she went to the masjid, then she needs to find her guy there. It just seems to me that women here are saying 'yeah-go girl' 'equality rulz'... but have you really thought about this all of you? I agree with what someone said about massage and feet rub but for all the 'equal hypocrisy' 'equal roles' I have to disagree, and I dont believe its the way forward for men OR Women. But hey, I hope all those that are single find the one who fits their way of thinking :) [/QB][/QUOTE]
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