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TAREK307
Member # 7838
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Great book, talks about the corruption, the torture, the Wahabis, ect... it quotes "Egypt on the brink of revolution"

http://www.johnrbradley.com/inside_egypt.htm
 
Tigerlily
Member # 3567
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http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=017985
 
nevermind
Member # 6674
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I wonder if he comes with any great (or new?) insights there. Because you know it is easy to criticize, the easiest thing in the world, and you become so popular with the underdogs, too. But so what do you do instead? That's what I would concentrate to. You don't need to fight with what is or was, or even pay any attention to it (waste of time), if you simply have a better solution, a better message. At the moment, I think, no one has.

Of other stray thoughts on this topic: revolutions are bad (failed) cases of change management, and a very irresponsible thing to do with a nation. I seriously hope the age of such irresponsible heroes is over as, indeed, management theories are here to stay and they offer much nicer alternatives.

I also believe half-socialist periods are in some way good to developing countries because they help to install the infrastructure relatively fast and efficiently. A road and a power line to everyone's house makes it so much more easy to introduce democracy or other egalitarianism thereafter.

But lastly I do doubt if real, working democracy is possible in a religious country. Because democracy still kind of assumes that you know your life is in your hands and those of the terrestrial authorities and that you are interested in improving it now already. But if you are just waiting for the next one and simply do not care much?? I see it all around me in the vilage. People celebrate religious holidays, lavishly, but they barely notice a non-religious government holiday, yes you stay at home but that's it. They do not quote politicians, they quote an abona or mufti or something. They even barely follow news in TV which are mostly tuned onto religious channels, except for an occasional talk-show with a star actor or about some headline news or similar. It is the same in Europe - the best working democracies are the ones where people are the most down-to-earth.

I may be mistaken, of course, but right now I am of around such opinion.

Otherwise.. reading is a nice pastime of course.
 
TAREK307
Member # 7838
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Originally posted by nevermind:
I But lastly I do doubt if real, working democracy is possible in a religious country. Because democracy still kind of assumes that you know your life is in your hands and those of the terrestrial authorities and that you are interested in improving it now already. But if you are just waiting for the next one and simply do not care much?? I see it all around me in the vilage. People celebrate religious holidays, lavishly, but they barely notice a non-religious government holiday, yes you stay at home but that's it.
Otherwise.. reading is a nice pastime of course.

Well Egypt is not what you could truley call a country only based on religion and fatwas, this has come to light in the past years only because the goverment has failed the people, because of the poverty, because of the social ills, people either go and hide behind religion or drugs or so on.

Egypt needs a liberal Secular EGYPTIAN who cares about Egypt and its people and its history, and we don't need any kind of religious fanatic, i will always assert YES Egyptians are religious people but Egyptians are people who know howto keep religion between them and God if given the right conditions, which sadly now we don't have the right conditions!
 
nevermind
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Yes, maybe am wrong about religion here because there are of course people who while being deeply religious also care deeply for this world.
 



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