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Posted by Shanta Qadeama (Member # 9889) on :

I just discovered that there are apparently ration cards for subsidized household commodities and they're going to be (or are already!) smart cards and will be used on the new metro line too!

Can anyone give more info on these cards? Are they a new idea or is it the 'smart' bit that's new?

Posted by Cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :

I thought the ration cards had been smart cards for a couple of years.

I know Smart cards are also available for the Metro.

Posted by Shanta Qadeama (Member # 9889) on :

I haven't seen or heard of them before so was curious!
Wondering how you can use them on the existing metro? I think the new line is getting the technology. Wonder if I'll be able to use my Oyster card here [Smile]

(J/king)
I thought if you get a season ticket for the metro here, you just get a reusable ticket instead of the normal yellow ones.

Posted by Cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :

http://www.itp.net/526790-cairo-metro-cards-safe-from-hacking

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-231290703.html

Couple of links about the smart cards for the Metro.

Posted by Dzosser (Member # 9572) on :

The cards have always existed Shanta, its just the smart bit that's relatively new, it has nothing to do with being used on a metro, its simply got a smart chip for the grocery store to use on a certain device with a screen for info and stuff..dunno if foreigners are allowed to have one, you better check that and tell us.

Posted by Cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :

They were introduced to monitor the rationing system and to stop blatent fiddling.

Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :

Foreigners can't use them. 30 years ago, the basic foodstuffs like rice, sugar, flour were ONLY available on ration cards from the special rations shops. it was very difficult for foreigners to find these, supermarkets didn't exist, occasionally you'd find some at a grocer and stock up. I guess Egypt has come a long way, but then the gap between rich and poor has really widened.

Posted by Shanta Qadeama (Member # 9889) on :

Yes, I was surprised to find that there is still rationing but I guess it's necessary considering half the working population earns less than $2 a day!!! I wonder if refugee foreigners can - Sudanese, Iraqi? (Not thinking of westerner foreigners here).

I guess though that when the 3rd Metro line is built and they put the smart card technology in then those will be generally available - the links above seem to suggest about 20 stations have it? (Without rereading and double checking).

Posted by Cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :

20 years ago flour wasn't widely available either I seem to recall. Egypt really has come along way and the gap has widened.

Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :

plz explain what a ration card is? i thought it was used during ww2 in germany for people who had no food? so whats the difference?

Posted by Shanta Qadeama (Member # 9889) on :

It's the same principle. It's either for rationing a scare resource (like sometimes the goverment might say no household can have more than 10l of gasoline) or for helping out those on very low incomes to get some basic stuff at highly subsidized price.

We used to have ration cards in the UK too during the WW2 and in the few years afterwards. Nowadays, asylum seekers in the UK get them too (or not an actual card, a coupon book they have to use in a named supermarket).

Obviously, here in Egypt, poorer people get the same sort of thing too to give a basic set of provisions at a very highly subsidized price.

Of course, there were blackmarkets and trading of coupons back in the WW2 days, and I'm sure similar goes on in any country with this kind of arrangement. Smart cards would help to limit that somewhat depending on exactly what the technology was for. I guess you can't swap coupons stored electronically on a card (or however it works) the same way you could actual paper coupons.

Basically, a government decides a certain amount of things people can have - eg it might 1 kilo of flour + 500g of butter + 5 kg of meat + 10 clothing coupons (or whatever).

Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :

and in the uk they can tell u how much of something u can have?

Posted by Shanta Qadeama (Member # 9889) on :

Sometimes, depends! **Not** for most people for most things nowadays.
Sometimes we have a fuel crisis so they say you can only have so much gasoline.
If you are an asylum seeker, you will get coupons which you exchange in a named shop for certain items - if you have the money you can buy more.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps

Different nations, different programs.

Harsh and malevolent to refer to "ration cards" as "food stamps". I'd hate to see this discussion turn into a tar and feathering of the Egyptians yet again.

Aid programs will exchange subsidized grain for crude oil or natural gas.

Australia is very good about letting the world know they are now the main nation to import subsidized grain to Egypt. What they fail to mention is Australia gets crude oil and natural gas at a below market value in exchange. How convenient.

A few years ago Mubarak withdrew from a Camp David agreement which the exchange of fuels for grain with the US, which started the end of "USAid". Largely an exploitative treaty, and the US quietly let the agreement lapse because it was exploitative at their hands. US would allow Israel to buy the fuels at a reduced rate before shipping the fuel off to US military bases around the world. Then again we can't refer to Israel's discounted fuel as "government assistance" or "welfare".

Largely much like 30 years ago Egypt cannot grow enough grain crops to support its population. Until Egypt can produce its own grain, then its a scarce commodity. Subsidizing what many world health organizations consider a basic foundation of any nutritious diet, is just common sense.

I wouldn't be surprised that Israel also has subsidized grain open to the public. I do know there are fuel shortages at Israeli settlements, and usually the settlers blame Egypt and USAid.

If a core component of the basic diet isn't rationed, then its sold on the black market at exorbitant prices.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
Different nations, different programs.

thanks captain obvious. regarding the rest of your post, suggest you do a bit more googling before you regurgitate whatever you found in the first couple of hits.

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
Different nations, different programs.

thanks captain obvious. regarding the rest of your post, suggest you do a bit more googling before you regurgitate whatever you found in the first couple of hits.

Actually I have closely watched how Israel has reacted to the withdrawl of USAid from Egypt and how Israel has lost those benefits.

A slight problem for Israel's PR, they didn't want anyone to know Israel had become reliant on the kickbacks from the USAid program in Egypt for Israel.

Like many concerned folks I am also watching the breakdown in peace talks over settlements, many of those settlements rely on "rations" often which are provided by the US.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

*Actually*, I was refering to your basic lack of understanding of the whole wheat problem btw the US/Egypt and in particular, the common Egyptian perspective on the matter.

And yes, I know you don't live in Egypt, so you'll ask me to PROVE IT. Here.

"The reason is that [the government] succumbed to the American administration's [pressures]," argues Sikina Fouad, who has spearheaded a nationwide media campaign over the past decade promoting self- sufficiency in wheat. "It was a means used by the Americans to undermine the Egyptian economy. [Former American Secretary of State] Henry Kissinger repeatedly said wheat was a political, not an agricultural, issue," she told Al-Ahram Weekly.

"The Americans flooded the Egyptian market with cheap wheat, convincing the Egyptian government to adopt import based policies since they were cheaper than domestic cultivation. The government fell into the trap, failing to recognise the strategic importance of self-sufficiency," she says.

Such conspiracy theories are popular with farmers. "It was crystal clear that our agricultural policy-makers succumbed in the past to American pressure aimed at preventing us from achieving self-sufficiency in order that we would become dependent on US imports," one farmer said. His opinion is widely shared.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/893/eg9.htm

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
*Actually*, I was refering to your basic lack of understanding of the whole wheat problem btw the US/Egypt and in particular, the common Egyptian perspective on the matter.

And yes, I know you don't live in Egypt, so you'll ask me to PROVE IT. Here.

"The reason is that [the government] succumbed to the American administration's [pressures]," argues Sikina Fouad, who has spearheaded a nationwide media campaign over the past decade promoting self- sufficiency in wheat. "It was a means used by the Americans to undermine the Egyptian economy. [Former American Secretary of State] Henry Kissinger repeatedly said wheat was a political, not an agricultural, issue," she told Al-Ahram Weekly.

"The Americans flooded the Egyptian market with cheap wheat, convincing the Egyptian government to adopt import based policies since they were cheaper than domestic cultivation. The government fell into the trap, failing to recognise the strategic importance of self-sufficiency," she says.

Such conspiracy theories are popular with farmers. "It was crystal clear that our agricultural policy-makers succumbed in the past to American pressure aimed at preventing us from achieving self-sufficiency in order that we would become dependent on US imports," one farmer said. His opinion is widely shared.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2008/893/eg9.htm

Aah, so you googled, but you didn't find the news article you wanted in the first 2 minutes, so you spat out something that doesn't exactly bolster your original sentiments.

" - posted 21 January, 2011 03:54 AM i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps "

First you refer to Egyptians as "welfare receipents" then you attempt to humanize them after someone pointed out your own nation has been receiving the same welfare.

You lived in Cairo for 4 months. then left when you got dumped by your Orfi love interest.

Since the former mod "Shumza" deleted hundreds of threads you had started, you have yet to indicate where you live. Last I read of your residence it was Israel. You have yet to say anything different.

And mind you I wasn't defending the USAid program, actually on this forum I have never defended the USAid program or the Camp David Accords.

I just took the time to point out to you that while you feel the need to dehumanize Egypt for its part in the USAid benefits, Israel also had become dependent on USAid benefits.

Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps

ooooo ok thanks.. u know if they tried rationing gas here it wont work lol but here u can use fod stamp at any store almost even gas stations.

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by tina kamal:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
ooooo ok thanks.. u know if they tried rationing gas here it wont work lol but here u can use fod stamp at any store almost even gas stations.

Tina, rationing is meant evenly distribute products necessary for proper hygiene, nutrition, and health when the supply is low and difficult to obtain.

Rationing is meant to stave of "hoarding" and "black market" enterprise of basic items that are imperative for health.

"Food stamps" is for folks who are economically disadvantaged, or poor who cannot afford items to maintain basic nutrition despite obvious abundance of food for retail consumption.

Israel and Egypt cannot produce enough grain to meet the demands of the populations. Thus grain must be imported. If the governments don't control the availability and consumption of grain then there will be hoarding and exploitation of grain on the black market.

tina when was the last time you had to buy a loaf of bread in a dark alley and pay ten times what you would pay in a grocery store? American produces 15 times the amount of grain the public its citizens actually needs. Israel and Egypt cannot.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
Different nations, different programs.

Australia is very good about letting the world know they are now the main nation to import subsidized grain to Egypt.

Largely much like 30 years ago Egypt cannot grow enough grain crops to support its population. Until Egypt can produce its own grain, then its a scarce commodity. Subsidizing what many world health organizations consider a basic foundation of any nutritious diet, is just common sense.

Read what you write, then read the article I posted as a response to your drivel.

Nobody is talking about international aid, exept you.

If you spent more time digesting information and less time writing fictional lives for other user names... oh never mind. You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix stupid.

Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :

well concidering the fact we get bread free here i wouldnt have to go in a dark alley. there is a church that gives bread free as much as u want.. the salvation army.. and i dont like that bread so i do the soft wonder bread. its expensive but the best

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix stupid.

I am putting this up for best quote of the year. [Big Grin]

Posted by Rashaaa (Member # 15206) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix stupid.
I am putting this up for best quote of the year.

Alhumdulelah.....

my favorite addage...'stuck on stupid'

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
Different nations, different programs.

Australia is very good about letting the world know they are now the main nation to import subsidized grain to Egypt.

Largely much like 30 years ago Egypt cannot grow enough grain crops to support its population. Until Egypt can produce its own grain, then its a scarce commodity. Subsidizing what many world health organizations consider a basic foundation of any nutritious diet, is just common sense.

Read what you write, then read the article I posted as a response to your drivel.

Nobody is talking about international aid, exept you.

If you spent more time digesting information and less time writing fictional lives for other user names... oh never mind. You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix stupid.

The reason why no one else besides me is refering to International Aid, USAid is because khawagaas and "afrangis" don't understand that Egypt has to have its grain imported.

Thus the grain is imported as Aid, or in its recent form grain subsidies in exchange for crude oil/natural gas.

You assume that ESers are just thee most uninformed persons on the face of the earth, because they aren't God's chosen people like yourself.

Its actual international policy to ration what is a subsidized product, because thats the point. There isn't enough grain to go around if it was a "free market" product. The grain is meant for persons who wouldn't be able to afford it if the grain price was set by the market.

Nor could Australia afford the crude oil and natural gas as if Egypt sold the fossil fuels on the free market. Much in the same manner Israelis can't afford the fossil fuels nor the water trucked in from Turkey by the millions of tons every week.

Don't assume I am one of the ES regulars won't don't understand the basic crux of what snowballed into US involvement of the Middle East crisis.

I understand the only reason why you gave our insult to this thread and why you continue to distort the truth is your illogal belief that you as an Israeli are superior to Egyptians. Despite you as an Israeli buying grain at the same rate, same ration as many Egyptians yourself.

Can't fix maniacal evil hatred, same maniacal evil hatred as the ****s.

Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :

How did we go from ration cards to 'maniacal evil hatred'?

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
How did we go from ration cards to 'maniacal evil hatred'?

Sono posted.

Posted by Cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :

Captain obvious lmao... love it.

Posted by this (Member # 17234) on :

ذكر وزير الزراعة أمين أباظة أمام مجلس الشعب في جلسته المسائية اليوم السبت أن هناك عوائق شديدة تقف أمام مصر لتحقيق الإكتفاء الذاتي من القمح. وقال الوزير أن مصر بها 238 مليون فدان منها 9 مليون فدان فقط هي الأراضي المنتجة بينما المساحة المحصولية تبلغ 15 مليون فدان.

وأضاف أباظة أن الزيادة السكانية في مصر بمليونى نسمة في العام يعني أننا لابد من زراعة 150 ألف فدان لزراعة قمح كل عام لكي نحافظ فقط علي النسبة المتحققة حاليا من الإكتفاء الذاتي من القمح وهي 56% . أما لو أردت أستيعاب الزيادة السكانية كل عام فالمطلوب زراعة 450 الف فدان في العام وهذا فوق قدرات الوزارة والحكومة والموارد المائية المتاحة. وقال الوزير علشان أطور الري في مصر محتاج من 15 الي 20 سنة. كما أنتقد الوزير الطلبات الخاصة التي يقدمها له النواب لبناء مساكن علي الأراض الزراعية وقال كيف يستقيم ذلك مع طلبات النواب بزيادة مساحة القمح, وقال الوزير نحن أخترنا دعم الإستهلاك وكلما زاد الإستهلاك زادت الأسعار.

Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
How did we go from ration cards to 'maniacal evil hatred'?
Sono posted.

and that suprises u because?

Posted by Chef Mick (Member # 11209) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
Different nations, different programs.

Australia is very good about letting the world know they are now the main nation to import subsidized grain to Egypt.

Largely much like 30 years ago Egypt cannot grow enough grain crops to support its population. Until Egypt can produce its own grain, then its a scarce commodity. Subsidizing what many world health organizations consider a basic foundation of any nutritious diet, is just common sense.

Read what you write, then read the article I posted as a response to your drivel.

Nobody is talking about international aid, exept you.

If you spent more time digesting information and less time writing fictional lives for other user names... oh never mind. You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix stupid.

love the last quote... [Big Grin]

You can't argue with crazy and you can't fix stupid. [/QB][/QUOTE

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
How did we go from ration cards to 'maniacal evil hatred'?

Kinda odd you'd make a comment like this and then ignore completely what an Israeli had to say intially on this post.

Let me remind you:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps

citizen, you had stated in the past you are a British national living in Egypt, married to an Egyptian, raising Egyptian-British children.

You moved to Cairo and stayed there, but you didn't divulge the fact that you had spent part of your career working for USAid.

You chose to counter my statements that an Israeli considers Egypt's ration cards as "food stamps" while her own nation has the same ration cards yet she manages to leave that information out as an example of 'maniacal evil hatred'.

What you could've done is shared some insight as a former USAid employee of British nationality who disliked working with Americans in your experience with an organization such as USAid which started the "food ration card" program in both Egypt and Israel.

Yet you chose to withhold information and criticize instead, siding with an Israeli. Which explains why USAid in Egypt largely hasn't done any good whatsoever.

Here's the translation of what "this" posted:

The Minister of Agriculture Amin Abaza, before the people in its Saturday evening that there are high barriers standing in front of Egypt to achieve self-sufficiency in wheat. The minister said that Egypt of 238 million acres, of which 9 million acres of productive land, while the cropped area of 15 million acres.

Abaza added that the increase of population in Egypt two million people in the year means that we have the cultivation of 150 thousand acres to grow wheat every year in order to keep only the percentage of currently achieved self-sufficiency in wheat is 56%. But if you want to accommodate the population increase each year, what is required cultivation of 450,000 acres per year and that it's on the capacity of the ministry and the government and the available water resources. The minister said Ahan I develop irrigation in Egypt in need of 15 to 20 years. The minister also criticized the special requests by his deputies to build houses on farmland and told how to correct that with the demands of Representatives to increase wheat area, the minister said we chose to support consumption and greater consumption increased prices.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
How did we go from ration cards to 'maniacal evil hatred'?
Kinda odd you'd make a comment like this and then ignore completely what an Israeli had to say intially on this post.

Let me remind you:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
citizen, you had stated in the past you are a British national living in Egypt, married to an Egyptian, raising Egyptian-British children.

You moved to Cairo and stayed there, but you didn't divulge the fact that you had spent part of your career working for USAid.

You chose to counter my statements that an Israeli considers Egypt's ration cards as "food stamps" while her own nation has the same ration cards yet she manages to leave that information out as an example of 'maniacal evil hatred'.

What you could've done is shared some insight as a former USAid employee of British nationality who disliked working with Americans in your experience with an organization such as USAid which started the "food ration card" program in both Egypt and Israel.

Yet you chose to withhold information and criticize instead, siding with an Israeli. Which explains why USAid in Egypt largely hasn't done any good whatsoever.

Here's the translation of what "this" posted:

The Minister of Agriculture Amin Abaza, before the people in its Saturday evening that there are high barriers standing in front of Egypt to achieve self-sufficiency in wheat. The minister said that Egypt of 238 million acres, of which 9 million acres of productive land, while the cropped area of 15 million acres.

Abaza added that the increase of population in Egypt two million people in the year means that we have the cultivation of 150 thousand acres to grow wheat every year in order to keep only the percentage of currently achieved self-sufficiency in wheat is 56%. But if you want to accommodate the population increase each year, what is required cultivation of 450,000 acres per year and that it's on the capacity of the ministry and the government and the available water resources. The minister said Ahan I develop irrigation in Egypt in need of 15 to 20 years. The minister also criticized the special requests by his deputies to build houses on farmland and told how to correct that with the demands of Representatives to increase wheat area, the minister said we chose to support consumption and greater consumption increased prices.

and this evening, ladies and gentlemen, we have bat-sh**-tiara-wearing kind of crazy. wow, just wow.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

Loopey

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
How did we go from ration cards to 'maniacal evil hatred'?
Kinda odd you'd make a comment like this and then ignore completely what an Israeli had to say intially on this post.

Let me remind you:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
i think the equivalent (present day egypt, not ww2 england) would be US' food stamps
citizen, you had stated in the past you are a British national living in Egypt, married to an Egyptian, raising Egyptian-British children.

You moved to Cairo and stayed there, but you didn't divulge the fact that you had spent part of your career working for USAid.

You chose to counter my statements that an Israeli considers Egypt's ration cards as "food stamps" while her own nation has the same ration cards yet she manages to leave that information out as an example of 'maniacal evil hatred'.

What you could've done is shared some insight as a former USAid employee of British nationality who disliked working with Americans in your experience with an organization such as USAid which started the "food ration card" program in both Egypt and Israel.

Yet you chose to withhold information and criticize instead, siding with an Israeli. Which explains why USAid in Egypt largely hasn't done any good whatsoever.

Here's the translation of what "this" posted:

The Minister of Agriculture Amin Abaza, before the people in its Saturday evening that there are high barriers standing in front of Egypt to achieve self-sufficiency in wheat. The minister said that Egypt of 238 million acres, of which 9 million acres of productive land, while the cropped area of 15 million acres.

Abaza added that the increase of population in Egypt two million people in the year means that we have the cultivation of 150 thousand acres to grow wheat every year in order to keep only the percentage of currently achieved self-sufficiency in wheat is 56%. But if you want to accommodate the population increase each year, what is required cultivation of 450,000 acres per year and that it's on the capacity of the ministry and the government and the available water resources. The minister said Ahan I develop irrigation in Egypt in need of 15 to 20 years. The minister also criticized the special requests by his deputies to build houses on farmland and told how to correct that with the demands of Representatives to increase wheat area, the minister said we chose to support consumption and greater consumption increased prices.
and this evening, ladies and gentlemen, we have bat-sh**-tiara-wearing kind of crazy. wow, just wow.

Whats racist is how a former USAid employee knows perfectly well that the "food ration card" program provided by USAid in Egypt is identical in Israel.

Plenty of Egyptian politicians and government employees have been saying for decades the the USAid program is a spy network for Israel.

The USAid program in Egypt for years has been unwanted by the Egyptian government and the Egyptian people.

This really puts that sentiment in a correct light.

Foreign employees working for USAid are mainly there to implement the will of the Israeli government. And also to force the will of US foreign policy down the throat of Egyptians.

Whats batshit crazy is the fact that Mubarak allowed this USAid program to go unchecked and largely allowed the population's fears and mistrust of USAid to be proven time and time again.

No wonder an Israeli calls it "food stamps" and then uses the same program herself.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

Oi, goat girl, nobody's taking your crazy seriously. Find another board for that, you've lost all credibility on this one about 3 years back.

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
Oi, goat girl, nobody's taking your crazy seriously. Find another board for that, you've lost all credibility on this one about 3 years back.

Its not crazy to call an Israeli racist for using the same program as Egyptians, when an Isreali calls it "food stamps" for Egypt but not for Isreal.

I called you out on being extremely racist, but its quite the norm in suburban and settlement Israel. If you lived in a major city you would not have such a one-sided view.

The reason why you didn't get a work visa in Cairo is because the large corporate employers could easily see through your enthusiasm for living with your Orfi lover.

They knew you were not an exceptional Israeli who lives for peace and sees the neighboring Arabs as actual human beings.

You hadn't learned from that experience, and actually you've only gotten more sour.

In order for you as an Israeli living in Israel to avoid benefiting from USAid you'd actually have to leave outside of the Middle East completely.

Its a sound, rational, and informed perspective on your racism.

Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :

Aagghhh, you've outed me, metinoot.
Yes a disgruntled ex-USAID employee, got radicalized by none other ExptinCAI and recruited to the undercover Operation MEH (maniacal evil hatred)! Simple really... spread MEH around the Middle East and then to the World (like agriculture).

And it's all so easy, done through subsidized tea...yes that hot sweet stuff that EVERYONE drinks, all 80mil of us. Just jump in a taxi or bus and try to get across Cairo and you'll see how successful it's been, maniacs everywhere, all drinking tea! Once they're truly M, it's the slippery slope to E and H...

And it's not only in Egypt. In the US, what with free speech and democracy and stuff, they're open about it... call themselves the Tea Party I believe and are well past the M already and onto the EH. But I digress...

Back to Egypt. I didn't realize ExptinCAI was living on a settlement, we only ever communicate through secret cables... OMG... do you think? Is that how you...?

Never mind, back to the mission, if anyone has a problem and needs a glass of hot, sweet, thick tea and sympathy... I'm here

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Aagghhh, you've outed me, metinoot.
Yes a disgruntled ex-USAID employee, got radicalized by none other ExptinCAI and recruited to the undercover Operation MEH (maniacal evil hatred)! Simple really... spread MEH around the Middle East and then to the World (like agriculture).

And it's all so easy, done through subsidized tea...yes that hot sweet stuff that EVERYONE drinks, all 80mil of us. Just jump in a taxi or bus and try to get across Cairo and you'll see how successful it's been, maniacs everywhere, all drinking tea! Once they're truly M, it's the slippery slope to E and H...

And it's not only in Egypt. In the US, what with free speech and democracy and stuff, they're open about it... call themselves the Tea Party I believe and are well past the M already and onto the EH. But I digress...

Back to Egypt. I didn't realize ExptinCAI was living on a settlement, we only ever communicate through secret cables... OMG... do you think? Is that how you...?

Never mind, back to the mission, if anyone has a problem and needs a glass of hot, sweet, thick tea and sympathy... I'm here

Having a laugh at the expense of 6 dead and a Congressperson with a bullet through her head.

Great job, excellent choice for a former "charitable" aid worker.

Take our very real pain over the Jared Lee Loughner shooting and make it into a joke. As an American and a person who values human life I am not laughing.

Your reckless attitude towards American life, life in general does prove you worked for USAid.

The topic of this thread was about subsidized bread and smart cards used on the metro.

There is no proof that tea is subsidized.

Anyhow you know very well why bread is subsidized in Egypt as it is in Israel.

Thank God USAid is being dismantled in Egypt, its bad enough a person like yourself was working within an organization meant to eliminate mal-nutrition, poverty, and suffering. Its obvious you enjoy distributing misinformation and the exact ills USAid was supposed to alleviate.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Aagghhh, you've outed me, metinoot.
Yes a disgruntled ex-USAID employee, got radicalized by none other ExptinCAI and recruited to the undercover Operation MEH (maniacal evil hatred)! Simple really... spread MEH around the Middle East and then to the World (like agriculture).

And it's all so easy, done through subsidized tea...yes that hot sweet stuff that EVERYONE drinks, all 80mil of us. Just jump in a taxi or bus and try to get across Cairo and you'll see how successful it's been, maniacs everywhere, all drinking tea! Once they're truly M, it's the slippery slope to E and H...

And it's not only in Egypt. In the US, what with free speech and democracy and stuff, they're open about it... call themselves the Tea Party I believe and are well past the M already and onto the EH. But I digress...

Back to Egypt. I didn't realize ExptinCAI was living on a settlement, we only ever communicate through secret cables... OMG... do you think? Is that how you...?

Never mind, back to the mission, if anyone has a problem and needs a glass of hot, sweet, thick tea and sympathy... I'm here
Having a laugh at the expense of 6 dead and a Congressperson with a bullet through her head.

Great job, excellent choice for a former "charitable" aid worker.

Take our very real pain over the Jared Lee Loughner shooting and make it into a joke. As an American and a person who values human life I am not laughing.

Your reckless attitude towards American life, life in general does prove you worked for USAid.

The topic of this thread was about subsidized bread and smart cards used on the metro.

There is no proof that tea is subsidized.

Anyhow you know very well why bread is subsidized in Egypt as it is in Israel.

Thank God USAid is being dismantled in Egypt, its bad enough a person like yourself was working within an organization meant to eliminate mal-nutrition, poverty, and suffering. Its obvious you enjoy distributing misinformation and the exact ills USAid was supposed to alleviate.

The topic was about ration cards for subsidized household commodities and smart carts used on the metro.

quote:
Foreign employees working for USAid are mainly there to implement the will of the Israeli government. And also to force the will of US foreign policy down the throat of Egyptians.

back in 2004 when you were babbling about living in Cairo with your daughter you were desparately trying to get to work with one of these USaid companies, now you're slagging them off? Does that mean you're no longer an Israeli spy and stopped playing chess?

WTF has any of this got to do with an Israeli ES member or where the hell she lives?

I am very confused now. [Confused]

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

Aisha, if I'm an Israeli, you're definitely from middle earth :-)

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
Aisha, if I'm an Israeli, you're definitely from middle earth :-)

oh come on, we all know you must be an Israeli spy as sono said, same as everyone knows I'm a hobbit with hairy feet from middle earth. [Big Grin]

Her files cannot be wrong. [Wink]

I can supply photographic evidence with date stamps too.

Posted by Cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :

Einstein hasn't considered that date stamps can be fiddled, I might postdate a few to make myself look the same age in 5years time.

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
Aisha, if I'm an Israeli, you're definitely from middle earth :-)

If you are not Israeli then why bother referring to the ration cards as "food stamps" which is a common Israeli anti-Arab taunt?

Your history on this forum was deleted by Shumza, but there are still traces of it that could be found to substantiate your past.

Either way you are wrong about the food ration card program via the USAid being welfare, its not and its the same program used in Israel.

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
Aisha, if I'm an Israeli, you're definitely from middle earth :-)
If you are not Israeli then why bother referring to the ration cards as "food stamps" which is a common Israeli anti-Arab taunt?

Your history on this forum was deleted by Shumza, but there are still traces of it that could be found to substantiate your
Either way you are wrong about the food ration card program via the USAid being welfare, its not and its the same program used in Israel.

I never posted it. Or maybe I did but by the time you woke up- citizen and I charmed our way into the shanta compound and after wooing her with citizens special tea blend - we managed to get her to erase the posts before you awoke! Mwahahaaaaa!! Best not sleep tonite or you may miss it again.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:
[qb] Aisha, if I'm an Israeli, you're definitely from middle earth :-)
If you are not Israeli then why bother referring to the ration cards as "food stamps" which is a common Israeli anti-Arab taunt?

I took it as she was helping explain to Tina about ration cards and assumed this the be the American version of the like of which Tina relate to being American. WTF is has to do with Israeli I have no idea, unless Tina is an undercover Israeli spy too?

quote:
Your history on this forum was deleted by Shumza, but there are still traces of it that could be found to substantiate your past.

The go fetch bozo.

quote:
Either way you are wrong about the food ration card program via the USAid being welfare, its not and its the same program used in Israel.

ration cards ration a commodity
food stamps would also ration a commodity

Doesn't really matter for ANY of this what it's called.

stop fecking nit picking.

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

Hey Ayisha please take a break. Its been three years since you've started this crusade against me on ES.

I spend almost half my posts answer your rants, and despite your logic and ongoing insults its not going to stop me from posting on ES.

When you are frothing at the mouth ongoingly, unceasingly berating and insulting you put yourself into a certain mood in which you cannot halt this behavior offline.

Continuing this very type of behavior online onto offline will cripple your ability to socially function.

Its your choice. Its your life.

Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :

Metinoot, just a couple of points:
The food subsidy programme has been in operation long before USAID appeared on the scene.

What was the connection between the tragic massacre of 6 people in the US and this discussion about Egyptian ration cards?

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, just a couple of points:
The food subsidy programme has been in operation long before USAID appeared on the scene.

What was the connection between the tragic massacre of 6 people in the US and this discussion about Egyptian ration cards?

Yeah the Brits also had the food programe in Palestine during the british mandate so what?

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=020188;p=1#000038

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Aagghhh, you've outed me, metinoot.
Yes a disgruntled ex-USAID employee, got radicalized by none other ExptinCAI and recruited to the undercover Operation MEH (maniacal evil hatred)! Simple really... spread MEH around the Middle East and then to the World (like agriculture).

And it's all so easy, done through subsidized tea...yes that hot sweet stuff that EVERYONE drinks, all 80mil of us. Just jump in a taxi or bus and try to get across Cairo and you'll see how successful it's been, maniacs everywhere, all drinking tea! Once they're truly M, it's the slippery slope to E and H...

And it's not only in Egypt. In the US, what with free speech and democracy and stuff, they're open about it... call themselves the Tea Party I believe and are well past the M already and onto the EH. But I digress...

Back to Egypt. I didn't realize ExptinCAI was living on a settlement, we only ever communicate through secret cables... OMG... do you think? Is that how you...?

Never mind, back to the mission, if anyone has a problem and needs a glass of hot, sweet, thick tea and sympathy... I'm here

same thread, yet you manage to forget.

alzheimers already?

Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :

You're losing me again, what's the connection between Palestine, the British Mandate and USAID's non-connection with the Egyptian food subsidy programme?

And you didn't answer my question.

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
You're losing me again, what's the connection between Palestine, the British Mandate and USAID's non-connection with the Egyptian food subsidy programme?

And you didn't answer my question.

No you lost your mind.

The british during colonialization as you know had "food programes" as part of their colonalization.

Everyone knows this. They even had the food program in Egypt as it did in colonial Palestine during the British mandate.

http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=020188;p=1#000048

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, just a couple of points:
The food subsidy programme has been in operation long before USAID appeared on the scene.

What was the connection between the tragic massacre of 6 people in the US and this discussion about Egyptian ration cards?

Why do brits assume their own senility makes other people insane by default? [Big Grin]

Posted by citizen (Member # 1344) on :

Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?

I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?
I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.

says the insane one still up at 3am posting in her own little world about nothing related to the topic, as normal [Big Grin]

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?
I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.
says the insane one still up at 3am posting in her own little world about nothing related to the topic, as normal

Ahem don't you have a job?

I slept as soon as I got home from work today, and I'll sleep a few more hours. But its my n'hood and its loud tonight so therefore hitting the pillow by 5pm was a wise choice.

By the way do you have any more money coming in from UK?

Posted by ExptinCAI (Member # 1439) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?
I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.

See Citizen? You can't argue with crazy. [Big Grin]

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:
Hey Ayisha please take a break. Its been three years since you've started this crusade against me on ES.

update your files PLEASE.

quote:
I spend almost half my posts answer your rants, and despite your logic and ongoing insults its not going to stop me from posting on ES.

Where have I insulted you? I point out what you are, logically. I never want you to stop posting on ES, it's a great source of entertainment for me.

quote:
When you are frothing at the mouth ongoingly, unceasingly berating and insulting you put yourself into a certain mood in which you cannot halt this behavior offline.

No frothing here, all frothing your end. The mood you put me in is happy as I see you more and more wacko each time you post. [Big Grin]

quote:
Continuing this very type of behavior online onto offline will cripple your ability to socially function.

Your ability to socially function must be well shot then. I cannot ever imagine meeting someone like you in person, I get a headache thinking about it. [Eek!]

quote:
Its your choice. Its your life.

Yes and that's what bugs you isn't it sono, that I made a decision in my life and followed it through while you ranted about it and didn't. My life is great thank you, best decision I ever made was to move here, I see you gave up the idea to move and raise your daughter in the fictional flat your EX in laws own and you hate me for going through with it.

aah I didn't forget all the crap you threw at me when you found I was moving too, you hated that, never believed I would did you, thought it all fantasy. You are the only fantasy queen here sono, so full of shite. [Wink]

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by ExptinCAI:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?
I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.
See Citizen? You can't argue with crazy.

and you are just plain evil. no wonder you couldn't make it work with your sharm rent boy.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?
I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.
says the insane one still up at 3am posting in her own little world about nothing related to the topic, as normal
Ahem don't you have a job?

I have 3, what does that have to do with you still up at 3am?

quote:
I slept as soon as I got home from work today, and I'll sleep a few more hours. But its my n'hood and its loud tonight so therefore hitting the pillow by 5pm was a wise choice.

so do you have a job or is it a one day temp thing? Most work in US starts early so you better get some sleep, if you do still have a job.

quote:
By the way do you have any more money coming in from UK?

why, do you need a loan?

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
Metinoot, is it possible not to veer off into unrelated subjects during a discussion?

Two very direct questions waiting for an answer from you.

1. Palestine, British Mandate, USAID and Egyptian food subsidies - what is the connection?
2. Massacre of 6 people and this discussion - what is the connection?
I explained this to you already by reposting your own posts.

If you don't understand it, you are drunk.
says the insane one still up at 3am posting in her own little world about nothing related to the topic, as normal
Ahem don't you have a job?
I have 3, what does that have to do with you still up at 3am?

quote:
I slept as soon as I got home from work today, and I'll sleep a few more hours. But its my n'hood and its loud tonight so therefore hitting the pillow by 5pm was a wise choice.
so do you have a job or is it a one day temp thing? Most work in US starts early so you better get some sleep, if you do still have a job.

quote:
By the way do you have any more money coming in from UK?
why, do you need a loan?

Does sour bitchy, lonely, ugly, fat and broke every get too much for you?

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:
Does sour bitchy, lonely, ugly, fat and broke every get too much for you?

No as I said before sono, I can laugh at you all day long, you never get too much for me. [Wink]

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:
Does sour bitchy, lonely, ugly, fat and broke every get too much for you?
No as I said before sono, I can laugh at you all day long, you never get too much for me.

you do realize I don't read your posts until they are a least 2 years old.

I found a few nuggets this morning as the a-hole living above me did a polka dance with this dogs.

Plus I found some beloved news, oh my God I am so happy.

Anyhow you are still a stupid old ugly hobbit bitch who forked over her life's savings to a gigolo.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:
Does sour bitchy, lonely, ugly, fat and broke every get too much for you?
No as I said before sono, I can laugh at you all day long, you never get too much for me.
you do realize I don't read your posts until they are a least 2 years old.

Thats why your files are in such a mess, what a plonker!

quote:
I found a few nuggets this morning as the a-hole living above me did a polka dance with this dogs.

Plus I found some beloved news, oh my God I am so happy.

is this relevant to something 2 years ago or today? What planet are you on?

quote:
Anyhow you are still a stupid old ugly hobbit bitch who forked over her life's savings to a gigolo.

Didn't you post recenty about ME insulting YOU? You do realize that this is actually YOU insulting ME as normal don't you? Please take your meds before you sleep sono, you will feel better when you wake up from your drug induced coma I'm sure.
yes the full £3.62, gave him the lot.

God you are STUPID and soooo BITTER sono. I actually feel sorry for you as many do here. [Frown]

Posted by metinoot (Member # 17031) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:

quote:
Originally posted by Ayisha:

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:
Does sour bitchy, lonely, ugly, fat and broke every get too much for you?
No as I said before sono, I can laugh at you all day long, you never get too much for me.
you do realize I don't read your posts until they are a least 2 years old.
Thats why your files are in such a mess, what a plonker!

quote:
I found a few nuggets this morning as the a-hole living above me did a polka dance with this dogs.

Plus I found some beloved news, oh my God I am so happy.
is this relevant to something 2 years ago or today? What planet are you on?

quote:
Anyhow you are still a stupid old ugly hobbit bitch who forked over her life's savings to a gigolo.
Didn't you post recenty about ME insulting YOU? You do realize that this is actually YOU insulting ME as normal don't you? Please take your meds before you sleep sono, you will feel better when you wake up from your drug induced coma I'm sure.
yes the full £3.62, gave him the lot.

God you are STUPID and soooo BITTER sono. I actually feel sorry for you as many do here.

Your luxor rent boy is working the fellucas, which is code for "gay boy in the reeds".

So I guess you've put in what is it 3 years with this dude who won't spend the night at your flat, and being a gay dudes ensures he'll put off marriage to an Egyptian woman at least until he is 40 or so.

Well I am 36, and I know he was born the same year I was; therefore you have 4 years or less before he either dies of AIDS or he submits to a marriage with a woman who will actually bare him children.

I hope you can make enough income to siphon off to his marriage fund. Or you're history.

Posted by Ayisha (Member # 4713) on :

quote:
Originally posted by metinoot:
Your luxor rent boy is working the fellucas,

Does he? That is news to me!

quote:
which is code for "gay boy in the reeds".

Really? oh another 'I am expert on a place I've never even been to' babble is it?

quote:
So I guess you've put in what is it 3 years with this dude who won't spend the night at your flat, and being a gay dudes ensures he'll put off marriage to an Egyptian woman at least until he is 40 or so.

6 and half years I have 'put in', 4 years living together this coming April. You should know the dates of that as it was around the time you were 'relocating this summer'.
I just woke up the bundled up one who according to you never spends the night here and he is currently drinking coffee catchin up on the sport channels.

quote:
Well I am 36, and I know he was born the same year I was; therefore you have 4 years or less before he either dies of AIDS or he submits to a marriage with a woman who will actually bare him children.

Unlike your ex my husband has good morals and if he was to get AIDS it would have had to be from me. Unlike yours he is happy with me and does not have a secret online girl he is promising will be his 'real wife' as yours did.

quote:
I hope you can make enough income to siphon off to his marriage fund. Or you're history.

No sono, you're history, I'm here and still married. Unlike you still servicing your ex who got his legal status from you and shipped off your daughter because he knew you were not fit to raise her then after getting his legal status with your sham marriage (your words) he shipped over the 'real' Egyptian wife and has you both tending to his needs. [Wink]