I'm not talking facial hair, I'm thinking like chest and the rest of the body. So let's hear your opinion .
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I don't mind if there is some hair on the chest, but I like it better if there is not. Hairy legs are ok. I really don't like hair down there or on the back.
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I like the stream of hair that leads down from the belly button to their pubic area...oooh baby baby! Although from what I've read on this forum they shave down there, which ruins it all. I don't think I'd like being with a man who shaved his nether area!
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TURN ON, of course, men without hair on the chest look in my opinion like little boys.Acctually I like hair everywhere.
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quote:Originally posted by EgyptianMau: I like the stream of hair that leads down from the belly button to their pubic area...
In America, we call that the *treasure trail.* The trail that leads to the treasure.. Posts: 8794 | From: 01-20-09 The End of an Error | Registered: Dec 2004
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I have heard it called a "treasure trail" and "happy trail." Whatever the name, they are sexy. Hair or no hair is all a matter of preferance, and it isn't all that important in the big scheme of things, but I still have my preferances.
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My vote: enough hair to look masculine, not enough to look like a carpet. Posts: 8794 | From: 01-20-09 The End of an Error | Registered: Dec 2004
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quote:Originally posted by zam05: TURN ON, of course, men without hair on the chest look in my opinion like little boys.Acctually I like hair everywhere.
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quote:Originally posted by zam05: TURN ON, of course, men without hair on the chest look in my opinion like little boys.Acctually I like hair everywhere.
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Greater than 98% Chimp/human DNA similarity? Not any more. A common evolutionary argument gets reevaluated—by evolutionists themselves. by David DeWitt
A new report in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that the common value of >98% similarity of DNA between chimp and humans is incorrect.2 Roy Britten, author of the study, puts the figure at about 95% when insertions and deletions are included. Importantly, there is much more to these studies than people realize.
The >98.5% similarity has been misleading because it depends on what is being compared. There are a number of significant differences that are difficult to quantify. A review by Gagneux and Varki4 described a list of genetic differences between humans and the great apes. The differences include ‘cytogenetic differences, differences in the type and number of repetitive genomic DNA and transposable elements, abundance and distribution of endogenous retroviruses, the presence and extent of allelic polymorphisms, specific gene inactivation events, gene sequence differences, gene duplications, single nucleotide polymorphisms, gene expression differences, and messenger RNA splicing variations.’4
Specific examples of these differences include:
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes while chimpanzees have 24. Evolutionary scientists believe that one of the human chromosomes has been formed through the fusion of two small chromosomes in the chimp instead of an intrinsic difference resulting from a separate creation. At the end of each chromosome is a string of repeating DNA sequences called a telomere. Chimpanzees and other apes have about 23 kilobases (a kilobase is 1,000 base pairs of DNA) of repeats. Humans are unique among primates with much shorter telomeres only 10 kilobases long.7 While 18 pairs of chromosomes are ‘virtually identical’, chromosomes 4, 9 and 12 show evidence of being ‘remodeled.’5 In other words, the genes and markers on these chromosomes are not in the same order in the human and chimpanzee. Instead of ‘being remodeled’ as the evolutionists suggest, these could, logically, also be intrinsic differences because of a separate creation. The Y chromosome in particular is of a different size and has many markers that do not line up between the human and chimpanzee.1 Scientists have prepared a human-chimpanzee comparative clone map of chromosome 21 in particular. They observed ‘large, non-random regions of difference between the two genomes.’ They found a number of regions that ‘might correspond to insertions that are specific to the human lineage.’3 These types of differences are not generally included in calculations of percent DNA similarity.
In one of the most extensive studies comparing human and chimp DNA,3 the researchers compared >19.8 million bases. While this sounds like a lot, it still represents slightly less than 1% of the genome. They calculated a mean identity of 98.77% or 1.23% differences. However, this, like other studies only considered substitutions and did not take insertions or deletions into account as the new study by Britten did. A nucleotide substitution is a mutation where one base (A, G, C, or T) is replaced with another. An insertion or deletion (indel) is found where there are nucleotides missing when two sequences are compared.
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A G T C G T A C C | | | | | | | | A G T C A T A C C A G T C G T A C C | | | | | | | | A G T C T A C C
Substitution Insertion/deletion
Comparison between a base substitution and an insertion/deletion. Two DNA sequences can be compared. If there is a difference in the nucleotides (an A instead of a G) this is a substitution. In contrast, if there is a nucleotide base which is missing it is considered an insertion/deletion. It is assumed that a nucleotide has been inserted into one of the sequences or one has been deleted from the other. It is often too difficult to determine whether the difference is a result of an insertion or a deletion and thus it is called an ‘indel’. Indels can be of virtually any length.
The Britten2 study looked at 779 kilobase pairs to carefully examine differences between chimpanzees and humans. He found that 1.4% of the bases had been substituted, which was in agreement with previous studies (98.6% similarity). However, he found a much larger number of indels. Most of these were only 1 to 4 nucleotides in length, although there were a few that were > 1000 base pairs long. Surprisingly, the indels added an additional 3.4 % of base pairs that were different.
While previous studies have focused on base substitutions, they have missed perhaps the greatest contribution to the genetic differences between chimps and humans. Missing nucleotides from one or the other appear to account for more than twice the number of substituted nucleotides. Although the number of substitutions is about ten times higher than the number of indels, the number of nucleotides involved in indels is greater. These indels were reported to be equally represented in the chimp and human sequences. Therefore, the insertions or deletions were not occurring only in the chimp or only in the human and could also be interpreted as intrinsic differences.
Will evolution be called into question now that the similarity of chimpanzee and human DNA has been reduced from >98.5% to ~95%? Probably not. Regardless of whether the similarity was reduced even below 90%, evolutionists would still believe that humans and apes shared a common ancestor. Moreover, using percentages hides an important fact. If 5% of the DNA is different, this amounts to 150,000,000 DNA base pairs that are different between them!
A number of studies have demonstrated a remarkable similarity in the nuclear DNA and mtDNA among modern humans. In fact, the DNA sequences for all people are so similar that scientists generally conclude that there is a ‘recent single origin for modern humans, with general replacement of archaic populations.’8 To be fair, the estimates for a date of a ‘most recent common ancestor’ (MRCA) by evolutionists has this ‘recent single origin’ about 100,000-200,000 years ago, which is not recent by creationist standards. These estimates have been based on comparisons with chimpanzees and the assumption of a chimp/human common ancestor approximately 5 million years ago. In contrast, studies that have used pedigrees or generational mtDNA comparisons6, 10, 11 have yielded a much more recent MRCA—even 6,500 years!10
Research on observable generational mutation events leads to a more recent common ancestor for humans than phylogenetic estimates that assume a relationship with chimpanzees. Mutational hotspots are believed to account for this difference.6 However, in both cases, they are relying on uniformitarian principles—that rates measured in the present can be used to extrapolate the timing of events in the distant past.
The above examples demonstrate that the conclusions of scientific investigations can be different depending on how the study is done. Humans and chimps can have 95% or >98.5% similar DNA depending on which nucleotides are counted and which are excluded. Modern humans can have a single recent ancestor <10,000 or 100,000-200,000 years ago depending on whether a relationship with chimpanzees is assumed and which types of mutations are considered.
References Archidiacono, N., Storlazzi, C.T., Spalluto, C., Ricco, A.S., Marzella, R., Rocchi, M. 1998. ‘Evolution of chromosome Y in primates.’ Chromosoma 107:241-246. Britten, R.J. 2002. ‘Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and human DNA sequences is 5% counting indels.’ Proceedings National Academy Science 99:13633-13635. Fujiyama, A., Watanabe, H., Toyoda, A., Taylor, T.D., Itoh, T., Tsai, S.F., Park, H.S., Yaspo, M.L., Lehrach, H., Chen, Z., Fu, G., Saitou, N., Osoegawa, K., de Jong, P.J., Suto, Y., Hattori, M., and Sakaki, Y. 2002. ‘Construction and analysis of a Human-Chimpanzee Comparative Clone Map.’ Science 295:131-134. Gagneux, P. and Varki, A. 2001. ‘Genetic differences between humans and great apes.’ Mol Phylogenet Evol 18:2-13. Gibbons, A. 1998. ‘Which of our genes make us human?’ Science 281:1432-1434. Heyer, E., Zietkeiwicz, E., Rochowski, A., Yotova, V., Puymirat, J., and Labuda D. 2001. ‘Phylogenetic and familial estimates of mitochondrial substitution rates: study of control region mutation in deep-rooting pedigrees.’ Am J Hum Genet 69:1113-1126. Kakuo, S., Asaoka, K. and Ide, T. 1999. ‘Human is a unique species among primates in terms of telomere length.’ Biochem Biophys Res Commun 263:308-314. Knight, A., Batzer, M.A., Stoneking, M., Tiwari, H.K., Scheer, W.D., Herrera, R.J., and Deninger, P.L. 1996. ‘DNA sequences of Alu elements indicate a recent replacement of the human autosomal genetic complement.’ Proc. Natl Acad Sci USA 93:4360-4364. Parsons T.J., Muniec, D.S., Sullivan, K., Woodyatt, N., Alliston-Greiner, R., Wilson, M.R., Berry, D.L., Holland, K.A., Weedn, V.W., Gill, P., and M.M. Holland. 1997. A high observed substitution rate in the human mitochondrial DNA control region. Nat. Genet. 15:363-368. Sigurgardottir, S., Helgason, A., Gulcher, J.R., Stefansson, K., and Donnelly P. 2000. ‘The mutation rate in the human mtDNA control region.’ Am J Hum Genet 66:1599-1609.
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egyptian-guy,your majesty will gracious have a look on you if her plane will arrive in Heliopolis in some weeks, maybe she'll like what she see Posts: 39 | From: Germany | Registered: Dec 2005
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quote:In America, we call that the *treasure trail.* The trail that leads to the treasure..
//// The path to the seif with the family jewelries.... Love the treasure trail...it's hot! Posts: 1744 | From: Romania | Registered: Dec 2005
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I like a hairy (not too long or thick) chest and legs. I'm not too fond of a hairy back or shoulders.
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I prefer not hair on the back Little on the chest legs and arms not a wild jungle. Hair on the head is good too.... I m sorry in advance but I have noticed in arab guys they seem to go bald quote young? Maybe just the ones out here!
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I've noticed that too, Melati. My Egyptian is balding and younger (28) so add him to the statistics.
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quote:Originally posted by EgyptianMau: I like the stream of hair that leads down from the belly button to their pubic area...
In America, we call that the *treasure trail.* The trail that leads to the treasure..
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT YOU GET AT THE END OF THE TRAIL..
I see that so often on thugs. They lift up their shirt on the public transit like somehow its sexy.
Its not.
I reminds me of that ridge of hair on a dogs belly. You must be careful and only rub part of the dogs belly or you touch, you know the dog's "Thing".
That hair ridge reminds me of the few times I rubbed a dog's you know what and nearly died of embarrassment.
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quote:Originally posted by EgyptianMau: Stay away from thugs and dogs
I love dogs dearly. I can't stay away from them, so I am careful.
Must take the public transit, its faster than driving in most areas and I get a guilty complex from burning fossil fuels in a private vehicle.
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hey thugs here in the ststes mean a good thing look at 50 cents and he has no chest hair.........no really to much of anything can be a bad thing......but the trail...........yummmmmmm i like the trail
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50 cents is scary looking. Dont understand the white trainers ....or the OTT jewelry thing. Honestly though-how come arab boys seem to bald young? I am only being general-but my arab friend is 2 years younger than me but looks quite older by 5 or so years-mainly because baldness and a kind of stocky appearance all round.Many of his friends too-assyrian, egyptain, druzes people. But the arab girls I know are actually very young looking for their ages? Why?
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HAIRY man????? Can u imagine those sweet hairy palms???? Santa Maria della Fiore! TURN them all OFF. Did I mention hairy man is a turn off????
Ps. Some fuzz in few discreet places is quite desirable.... but not a FUR all over! Posts: 2238 | From: Mother Earth | Registered: Jun 2004
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The biggest EVER turn-off is bald men with hairy ears and nostrils.... and hairy backs!!! Bleeeeuuuuucccchhhh!!!!!!
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OKAY... I have to weigh in on this one. I used to like the bare chested look. But since my new Egyptian guy has a lot of chest and leg hair, I wouldn't want to be with a hairless guy. He does have some hair on his back, but it's very light and I like that too.
I have to admit that excessive hair in the nose and ears would be a turn off.
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How are you? I know what you mean about the clean shaven bare chested look. I used to love that. I guess looks are only a part of it then since I've changed my opinion. If my guy didn't take care of himself, it would be a turn off no matter how much hair he had. In fact, I think he worries too much about his appearance sometimes. Hmmmm...
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I do prefer a hairless chest (not into organic dental floss) but dont mind a nice t section of chest hair.
What i cannot stand is balding ginger men with beer bellies and excessive body hair who insist on wearing Speedos on the beach!
Oh, and men with long hair on their chests that shows above their shirt collars with that neat trimmed look...blah!
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