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If you see a pretty woman among the captives and would like her for a wife, then just bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can "let her go." 21:11-14Posts: 2728 | From: جمهورية مصر العربية | Registered: Sep 2006
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So if you know it's haram in Islam why are you asking the question here? To whoever say - yes accuse him of being unislamic?
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Careful Albino, he's taking you into no man's land.
That is a question for which any answer is a wrong answer.
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quote:Originally posted by Umslopagas: Careful Albino, he's taking you into no man's land.
That is a question for which any answer is a wrong answer.
Duh!
I know alot of Christians who have the same ideas he has. But they don't go around slandering other faiths to make their point. No they are putting your faith (personal adherence) on trial instead.
Besides people are so darn obessed with being the guardians of everyone else's morality usually have some skeltons in their closet too.
Its a way of deflecting guilt. Posts: 991 | From: My daughter is a stalker | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: No, I will never Go for it bcuz it's haram in Islam
WOTEVER, he already said he is against it of course.
Egyptian_batman, I don't think you will get many honest answers to your question strictly for the reason that unless they say, "Yes, of course I am against premarital sex" you will disagree and say they are wrong or you will say "It is haram". It is a personal choice whether someone decides to have sex before marriage. You have to remember that there are different cultures out here. I am sure a lot of Americans would not be against it if they cared about the person they are in a relationship with. For that matter, do you know how many American couples live together and are not married???? I am sure they are not sleeping in separate beds Posts: 895 | From: Atlanta, GA. | Registered: Nov 2004
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premarital sex is like buying a car ...you gotta try it before you buy it Ok Ok that's an Americans point of view Posts: 108 | From: USA | Registered: Jul 2006
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IT'S LIKE THE FOOD YOU BUY, EAT IT THEN RUN AWAY FROM YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS AND DONT PAY FOR IT
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ahhh he said it was haram but still you have a personal point of view pork is haram but I know muslims that have tried it cos they're curious, they want to know what it tastes like!!!
Forbidden fruit and all
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YES, I KNOW ZENA, pORK AND ALCOHOL IS HARAM I DIDNT SAY I WILL DO IT FOR CURIOUSITY. I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME OPINIONS AND JUSTIFICATION FOR PEOPLE DOING IT
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...its haram in islam and christianity.. but people still do it... I know egyptians do it (hear it from egyptian friends).. they just dont talk about it... same thing in Catholicism.... it depends on how religious people are and what they believe in. I think is wrong to do it with someone just to do it... if you do it with someone who you love then its different.. you are expressing the love for eachother... and the thing is.. I think its the same in Egyptian culture as in Mexican culture (where Im from)... that since you are little you are made to belive that sex is something dirty and shameful... so we grow up with that perspective... which might not be as taboo in other cultures... so is something complex... not just something simple... overalll I think its an individual choice and there is no wrong or right.. it just depend how the person feels about... but I would not be prejudice against someone who has done it if I live in a conservative society, or someone who has not done it if i live in a more liberal society...If someone decides to do it.. it should be for the right reasons.. LOVE. my humble opinion
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quote:Originally posted by Maribel: ...its haram in islam and christianity.. but people still do it... I know egyptians do it (hear it from egyptian friends).. they just dont talk about it... same thing in Catholicism.... it depends on how religious people are and what they believe in. I think is wrong to do it with someone just to do it... if you do it with someone who you love then its different.. you are expressing the love for eachother... and the thing is.. I think its the same in Egyptian culture as in Mexican culture (where Im from)... that since you are little you are made to belive that sex is something dirty and shameful... so we grow up with that perspective... which might not be as taboo in other cultures... so is something complex... not just something simple... overalll I think its an individual choice and there is no wrong or right.. it just depend how the person feels about... but I would not be prejudice against someone who has done it if I live in a conservative society, or someone who has not done it if i live in a more liberal society...If someone decides to do it.. it should be for the right reasons.. LOVE. my humble opinion
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quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: If you see a pretty woman among the captives and would like her for a wife, then just bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can "let her go." 21:11-14
what are these verses from?
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quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: wat's ur opinion about premarital sex?
r u with it or against it?
it's a nice way to use a woman without marriage (in the name of love for sure) , and see if it will work so you try the woman(use her) then after you get enough of her or find a better prey you just say "sorry it's not working" and move on so, women go on for it and let the men enjoy you more for FREE
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You're assuming its just for the man's benefit. Works the other way around too. And also for mutual benefit. If a couple are not sexually compatible, can the marriage work?
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If God didn't want us to make love to each other, he wouldn't have made it feel so very nice.
In my opinion, if you are judging other people based on their intimate relationships, it is a good indicator of you not having any yourself.
How could you possibly know if someone is having pre-marital sex unless of course you are in the bed with them?
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Guest Of Life [QUOTEit's a nice way to use a woman without marriage (in the name of love for sure) , and see if it will work so you try the woman(use her) then after you get enough of her or find a better prey you just say "sorry it's not working" and move on so, women go on for it and let the men enjoy you more for FREE ] [/QUOTE] Excuse me Guest of life...but MEN are not the only ones who can "use someone" (men are just the ones that do it most often anyways) everyone knows that most men are happy with "any" female they encounter as long as they have a pulse... we on the other hand we have the stress of worrying (Is His Size going To Matter) Posts: 108 | From: USA | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: If you see a pretty woman among the captives and would like her for a wife, then just bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can "let her go." 21:11-14
what are these verses from?
هذا من كتاب النصاري و طبقا لهذا الكلام المقتبس من كتبهم الزنا مباااااح
this is excercept from the christian book according to it, adultery is legal
هناك ايضا اقتباسات من كتابهم there also some verses from their bible
"Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins." 4:5
"We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts ... But my breasts [are] like towers." 8:8-10 Isaiah
God tells Isaiah to take off all his clothes and to wander about completely naked for three years as a "sign and a wonder." In this way he will be just like the Egyptian captives who will walk about naked "with their buttocks uncovered." 20:2-5
Tyre "shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world," and her hire shall be holiness to the Lord." 23:17-18 Jerusalem still wasn't satisfied after having sex with the the well-endowed Egyptians (v.26), so she had sex with the Assyrians too. Yet she still wasn't satisfied. So she had sex with the men of Canaan and Chaldea, but still was not satisfied. 16:28-29
God calls Jerusalem "an imperious whorish woman." 16:30
God says that Jerusalem has sex with strangers, hiring them to "come in unto thee on every side." 16:32-33
Because she is such a filthy harlot, God will expose her nakedness before all of her lovers. 16:35-36
After exposing her nakedness, God will give her "blood in fury and jealousy" and strip her naked once more. 16:38-41
Information from God about discovering the nakedness of fathers, committing adultery with neighbor's wives, sex with menstruating women, daughters-in-law, sisters, etc. 22:1-11
God (or Hosea?) tells his children that their mother is a whore who is not his wife. He asks them to tell their mother to "put away her whoredoms" and "her adulteries from between her breasts" or he'll "strip her naked ... and slay her with thirst." 2:2-3
Paul explains that "the natural use" of women is to act as sexual objects for the pleasure of men. 1:27 1 Corinthians
Jesus will "cast her [Jezebel] into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her." 2:22
You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. 23:1
Samson wants to have sex with his wife in the bedroom, but his father won't let him. 15:1
"Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her." 16:1
The sons of Eli had sex with women "at the door of the tabernacle." 2:22
Since women are inherently dirty, the woman that "pleased the king" the most must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. 2:9-12 Psalms
Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times." 5:18
ووصلت بهم القباحة أن يرموا الأنبياء بالزنا و الفجور from their ugliness, they accuse the prophets of adultery.
ولا عجب ما أل اليه النصاري من الفجور ة الرزيلة لدرجة النوم مع الحيوانات no wonder why they rich a level of adultery even with animals
الحمد لله علي نعمة الاسلام thanks for Islam blessings
this my last post in the forum هذا أخر ما ساكتبه في هذا المنتدي السلام عليكم
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Where are you going Egyptian_batman?? Adultry comes after the premarital sex Posts: 108 | From: USA | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Umslopagas: Careful Albino, he's taking you into no man's land.
That is a question for which any answer is a wrong answer.
Duh!
I know alot of Christians who have the same ideas he has. But they don't go around slandering other faiths to make their point. No they are putting your faith (personal adherence) on trial instead.
Besides people are so darn obessed with being the guardians of everyone else's morality usually have some skeltons in their closet too.
Its a way of deflecting guilt.
I agree with your statements Albino & Umslopagas
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quote:Originally posted by Maribel: ...its haram in islam and christianity.. but people still do it... I know egyptians do it (hear it from egyptian friends).. they just dont talk about it... same thing in Catholicism.... it depends on how religious people are and what they believe in. I think is wrong to do it with someone just to do it... if you do it with someone who you love then its different.. you are expressing the love for eachother... and the thing is.. I think its the same in Egyptian culture as in Mexican culture (where Im from)... that since you are little you are made to belive that sex is something dirty and shameful... so we grow up with that perspective... which might not be as taboo in other cultures... so is something complex... not just something simple... overalll I think its an individual choice and there is no wrong or right.. it just depend how the person feels about... but I would not be prejudice against someone who has done it if I live in a conservative society, or someone who has not done it if i live in a more liberal society...If someone decides to do it.. it should be for the right reasons.. LOVE. my humble opinion
Good opinion too Maribel
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Thanks God!!! at least he finished Batman, you did huge work, congratulations for your every post.... but before you leave us batman, can you tell us, where did you exactly find these quotes, in details? you know, which psalm or book or chapter or letter in Bible or Torah.... ? what mean the numbers... of which book? where? and who was the translator also and editor...? just for us to check if all this its really there...
i wonder if anyone of you have tried to find them? i was trying but... but try yourselves because maybe i also have bad translation...
i tried with psalmes book 2,9-12 hmmmm... interesting experience to read it...
batman maybe you have totally other versions of all christian books that the rest of the world? or just maybe wrong translation? Posts: 119 | From: Poland, US, Egypt, Australia... anywhere | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:Originally posted by muslimman: Thanks God!!! at least he finished Batman, you did huge work, congratulations for your every post.... but before you leave us batman, can you tell us, where did you exactly find these quotes, in details? you know, which psalm or book or chapter or letter in Bible or Torah.... ? what mean the numbers... of which book? where? and who was the translator also and editor...? just for us to check if all this its really there...
i wonder if anyone of you have tried to find them? i was trying but... but try yourselves because maybe i also have bad translation...
i tried with psalmes book 2,9-12 hmmmm... interesting experience to read it...
batman maybe you have totally other versions of all christian books that the rest of the world? or just maybe wrong translation?
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ohh lobo says test the goods out ... and if he is 20 seconds dump him ... Posts: 816 | From: On top of a dog house | Registered: Sep 2004
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quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: #1607;ذا من كتاب النصاري و طبقا لهذا الكلام المقتبس من كتبهم الزنا مباااااح
this is excercept from the christian book according to it, adultery is legal
Now isn't the Bible and the Torah one of the three books of God?
And fornications is illegal in Christianity. But I don't think Batman has ever opened up a Bible to check.
And also isn't it legal for a Muslim to have sex with a cocubine? or a slave? Somehow a Muslim man doesn't have to marry his cocubine or slave in order to have sex with her. Why is that?
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quote:Originally posted by muslimman: but before you leave us batman, can you tell us, where did you exactly find these quotes, in details? you know, which psalm or book or chapter or letter in Bible or Torah.... ? what mean the numbers... of which book? where? and who was the translator also and editor...? just for us to check if all this its really there...
quote:Originally posted by muslimman: but before you leave us batman, can you tell us, where did you exactly find these quotes, in details? you know, which psalm or book or chapter or letter in Bible or Torah.... ? what mean the numbers... of which book? where? and who was the translator also and editor...? just for us to check if all this its really there...
He's referring to the dead sea scrolls and the gospels of Naga Hammadi, probably the gospel of Thomas.
But still, his attitude is unheard of, my guess is he's like most teenagers, trying to feel better towards his faith, by trying to deface other faiths.
Un the same way someone takes a look at his new car - proud and all - then looks at another car and says that's ugly, just so he feels he has the best.
A very retarded way of feeling better.
I hope that's really the last of him.
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quote:Originally posted by Umslopagas: He's referring to the dead sea scrolls and the gospels of Naga Hammadi, probably the gospel of Thomas.
But still, his attitude is unheard of, my guess is he's like most teenagers, trying to feel better towards his faith, by trying to deface other faiths.
Un the same way someone takes a look at his new car - proud and all - then looks at another car and says that's ugly, just so he feels he has the best.
A very retarded way of feeling better.
I hope that's really the last of him.
Okay all fine and good, but those scriptures aren't part of the Bible nor the Torah. So its not part of Christian or Judaism litergy or our sermons.
So I don't understand why it should be relevant to Christains and Jews today.
quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: If you see a pretty woman among the captives and would like her for a wife, then just bring her home and "go in unto her." Later, if you decide you don't like her, you can "let her go." 21:11-14
what are these verses from?
هذا من كتاب النصاري و طبقا لهذا الكلام المقتبس من كتبهم الزنا مباااااح
this is excercept from the christian book according to it, adultery is legal
هناك ايضا اقتباسات من كتابهم there also some verses from their bible
"Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins." 4:5
"We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts ... But my breasts [are] like towers." 8:8-10 Isaiah
God tells Isaiah to take off all his clothes and to wander about completely naked for three years as a "sign and a wonder." In this way he will be just like the Egyptian captives who will walk about naked "with their buttocks uncovered." 20:2-5
Tyre "shall commit fornication with all the kingdoms of the world," and her hire shall be holiness to the Lord." 23:17-18 Jerusalem still wasn't satisfied after having sex with the the well-endowed Egyptians (v.26), so she had sex with the Assyrians too. Yet she still wasn't satisfied. So she had sex with the men of Canaan and Chaldea, but still was not satisfied. 16:28-29
God calls Jerusalem "an imperious whorish woman." 16:30
God says that Jerusalem has sex with strangers, hiring them to "come in unto thee on every side." 16:32-33
Because she is such a filthy harlot, God will expose her nakedness before all of her lovers. 16:35-36
After exposing her nakedness, God will give her "blood in fury and jealousy" and strip her naked once more. 16:38-41
Information from God about discovering the nakedness of fathers, committing adultery with neighbor's wives, sex with menstruating women, daughters-in-law, sisters, etc. 22:1-11
God (or Hosea?) tells his children that their mother is a whore who is not his wife. He asks them to tell their mother to "put away her whoredoms" and "her adulteries from between her breasts" or he'll "strip her naked ... and slay her with thirst." 2:2-3
Paul explains that "the natural use" of women is to act as sexual objects for the pleasure of men. 1:27 1 Corinthians
Jesus will "cast her [Jezebel] into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her." 2:22
You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. 23:1
Samson wants to have sex with his wife in the bedroom, but his father won't let him. 15:1
"Then went Samson to Gaza, and saw there an harlot, and went in unto her." 16:1
The sons of Eli had sex with women "at the door of the tabernacle." 2:22
Since women are inherently dirty, the woman that "pleased the king" the most must be "purified" for twelve months before she can be made queen. 2:9-12 Psalms
Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times." 5:18
ووصلت بهم القباحة أن يرموا الأنبياء بالزنا و الفجور from their ugliness, they accuse the prophets of adultery.
ولا عجب ما أل اليه النصاري من الفجور ة الرزيلة لدرجة النوم مع الحيوانات no wonder why they rich a level of adultery even with animals
الحمد لله علي نعمة الاسلام thanks for Islam blessings
this my last post in the forum هذا أخر ما ساكتبه في هذا المنتدي السلام عليكم
Batman, firstly I dont read Arabic, sorry. Secondly, all Christian Books have Book names (Bible being a 'collection of books' so the numbers you quote have no meaning without the name of the book (in the bible, torah, whatever) you are quoting from. Please give the correct references for the quotes, thank you.
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quote:Originally posted by Umslopagas: He's referring to the dead sea scrolls and the gospels of Naga Hammadi, probably the gospel of Thomas.
But still, his attitude is unheard of, my guess is he's like most teenagers, trying to feel better towards his faith, by trying to deface other faiths.
Un the same way someone takes a look at his new car - proud and all - then looks at another car and says that's ugly, just so he feels he has the best.
A very retarded way of feeling better.
I hope that's really the last of him.
Okay all fine and good, but those scriptures aren't part of the Bible nor the Torah. So its not part of Christian or Judaism litergy or our sermons.
So I don't understand why it should be relevant to Christains and Jews today.
quote:Originally posted by Umslopagas: He's referring to the dead sea scrolls and the gospels of Naga Hammadi, probably the gospel of Thomas.
But still, his attitude is unheard of, my guess is he's like most teenagers, trying to feel better towards his faith, by trying to deface other faiths.
Un the same way someone takes a look at his new car - proud and all - then looks at another car and says that's ugly, just so he feels he has the best.
A very retarded way of feeling better.
I hope that's really the last of him.
Okay all fine and good, but those scriptures aren't part of the Bible nor the Torah. So its not part of Christian or Judaism litergy or our sermons.
So I don't understand why it should be relevant to Christains and Jews today.
ahhh just read this. So hes doing what most Muslim/Islam haters would do in digging up unauthentic and weak hadith.
Batman, not a good way to deliver Islam to the masses.
And remind me Ayisha how these weak and unathentic hadiths make their way into the hands of Islam/Muslim haters?
Hmmm???
How about... I'd say.... CrackerJack Box Mullahs themselves?
You must remember these Islam/Muslim haters are so ignorant of Islam that they must get this disinformation from its source! ignorant/illerate Mullahs themselves.
Much like as the saying goes... in the US South every 6th Southern Baptist male is a licensed preacher! Explains why the PTL is thee most authority on idiotacy and hate.
Oh and both the Crackerjack box Mullahs and the PTL wannabes dance with snakes.
PS those licensed Southern Baptist Preacher males aren't licensed through the state they live in. They are licensed through the Southern Baptist Convention that takes place every year. They hand out the certificates with "Denny's" coupons and GOP bumperstickers in a gift bag on the way out the door.
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Salam, so... it seems that our batman.... is a regular cheater and ignorant as we thought at the beginning. thats right these are not quotes from real Bible or Torah... besides of course they are not properly named so even its not possible to find them there... dont understand why ppl are doing that? if they think that other religions are worse, why they dont study them carefully to check it by themselves... lazy ones... its easier to get ready rubbish posts from some haters who are doing that specially and distribute it just to make a mess... so that were yr intentions batman?... hmmm... be carefull with your faith if you have it at all... Allah sees yr intentions even if they are hidden.
the proverb is right: when you dont know whats going about, it means its going abt... money... seems that some ppl are very much interested in making this mess around the world... they would start to die without money from states and organizations who are buying weapons and other things necessary to protect them from enemy... also press - from where would they take hot topics to their papers?...
... and alot of uneducated ppl are so easy to be cheated to distribute such rubbish around...
wish us all to be aware of this and dont allow ignorants to make mess in our minds. Salam
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I dunno about where they get it from sono, but they aint in my Quran!! I have seen some wierd and strange supposedly islamic sites in my time though.
On the rare occassions I have been to the mosque here in UK the 'sermon' has been in Urdu, in Egypt its in Arabic, so fortunately for me its a case of dig about yourself and see what you come up with thats on par with Quran.
And yes for anyone who wants to jump in and tell me im not getting the real Islam because i cant read and understand Arabic, I do have to rely on those translations of the 'meaning' of the Noble Quran. The great thing is, there have been a few 'trusted' translations of the Noble Quran which may not be word for word the same but the general meaning is there for me to see in my own language.
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quote:Originally posted by Ayisha: I dunno about where they get it from sono, but they aint in my Quran!! I have seen some wierd and strange supposedly islamic sites in my time though.
On the rare occassions I have been to the mosque here in UK the 'sermon' has been in Urdu, in Egypt its in Arabic, so fortunately for me its a case of dig about yourself and see what you come up with thats on par with Quran.
And yes for anyone who wants to jump in and tell me im not getting the real Islam because i cant read and understand Arabic, I do have to rely on those translations of the 'meaning' of the Noble Quran. The great thing is, there have been a few 'trusted' translations of the Noble Quran which may not be word for word the same but the general meaning is there for me to see in my own language.
Darn right alot of this "fodder" isn't in the Quran. And the CrackerJackBox Mullahs who come up with this stuff is usually pretty darn close to illiterate.
These guys have alot in common with Christian Zionists, they just happen to be enemies of each other.
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quote:Originally posted by Egyptian_batman: No, I will never Go for it bcuz it's haram in Islam
even thinking about it and talking of it and if you want in your mind u wud like it is HARAM ,,and people who talk of it often like you do is more than likely jerking off alot ,give the sex aRrest will yah ,take the bloody plunge then and marry and let us know WHEN u banged her ,,then it wil be more exciting to read , BATTY BAT HAS JUST BATTED HIS FIRST 6 ..AND KNOCKED A WKT ,,,
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