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okay i'm egyptian,live in the states and i want to marry an egyptian from egypt.but i heard that women there dont know anything about sex since its highly prohibited to talk about it there,so do women in egypt know about those taboo positions and stuff and like oral sex,or they're just plain,and would think stuff like that is weird?
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I know someone who is a teacher in a public school in Egypt. I guess a few years ago the government wanted to start teaching sex education, but the teachers refused. There are a lot of teachers who are unmarried women and they don't know about sex I guess. My friend is unmarried, 30 years old and has NEVER seen a neaked man (or pics).
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Minry80, I know you are being innocent with this but.....
Why are we picking on Egyptian women in all this?
So what?
Come on, here, does it matter?
Besides the little Egyptian men know before and after marriage does them little good.
Actually most of what Egyptian men backfires for them since its completely false.
It takes a woman with a love for "doing it", someone who has actually shaken the bedposts to great success to understand when its being done right.
A long list of cultural induendos are really hurting an Egyptian man's ability to perform with sucess.
That should be the issue here, mis-information, instead of being uninformed.
Besides women everywhere understand when it just not right and something is missing. Men are completely clueless to this.
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My female Egyptian friends know a lot about sexual practices... I don't really know where thhey learned about this, I think from the satellite channels. These ones are not married yet. For the married ones, when I was working in Egypt, I was really surprised when I heard my co-workers (all women) talk about their sexual problems, or make jokes about sex...
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quote:Originally posted by hobhob: okay i'm egyptian,live in the states and i want to marry an egyptian from egypt.but i heard that women there dont know anything about sex since its highly prohibited to talk about it there,so do women in egypt know about those taboo positions and stuff and like oral sex,or they're just plain,and would think stuff like that is weird?
Hobhob, the choice of your username shows your interest in this matter.
Seriously how can Egyptian girls in general know about sex and any details of positions etc.? Remember your girls have to enter marriage unkissed and untouched.
And if you are her husband and teacher and have understanding and patience with your future wife I am sure she will learn and wants to please you. But don't force her to do anything what she doesn't want to do. Btw, not even Western women do everything and think some things are just plain weird. It is all a matter of personal taste and choice.
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Hey did you ever read "The Perfumed Garden" by Sheikh Nefzawi? (Not recommending it) Utter trash, more positions than you can shake a stick at... I don't think you can make sweeping generalizations about what people may or may not be into when they start gettin' funky in the dark. Good question anyway, and I can't helpfully answer it because I'm not from Egypt.
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quote:Originally posted by QueenBee: Hey did you ever read "The Perfumed Garden" by Sheikh Nefzawi? (Not recommending it) Utter trash, more positions than you can shake a stick at... I don't think you can make sweeping generalizations about what people may or may not be into when they start gettin' funky in the dark. Good question anyway, and I can't helpfully answer it because I'm not from Egypt.
Great the U has the book.... You'll know what I'll be reading! By the way the year of that book is 1963.
And Queenie I aplaud you on seeing this matter through the "others" eyes.
I have read a few books written on Egypt over a century ago and books on sex and sexual charms was immensely popular (half of books sold in the North Africa region during this period were sold by peddlers door to door, in front of Shrines and in fronto of Mosques )
Edward Lane noted the Egyptians reading material centered around sex and marriage almost entirely during this period.
I don't things have changed a great deal.
Because these reading materials are in Arabic and most of us don't speak Arabic we don't know, now do we Tigerlily?
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And if you are her husband and teacher and have understanding and patience with your future wife I am sure she will learn and wants to please you. But don't force her to do anything what she doesn't want to do. Btw, not even Western women do everything and think some things are just plain weird. It is all a matter of personal taste and choice. [/QB][/QUOTE].
HOBHOB , Tigerly give you the best advice , and sex itsn't the problem , many girls know enough to start marriage . the main problem is, how can you fall her in your love?
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Another retard...!!! What do u mean are egyptian women sexually educated.. just because girls don't sleep around doesnt mean they are asexual.. COME ON!! what a precious collection of retards u have here...
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quote:Originally posted by Kabreeta: Another retard...!!! What do u mean are egyptian women sexually educated.. just because girls don't sleep around doesnt mean they are asexual.. COME ON!! what a precious collection of retards u have here...
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Definition of Asexual
Asexual: Without sexual desire or interest. Someone with seemingly no sexual drive.
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Who said Egyptian women don't have any interested in intimacy?
And a person doesn't have to "sleep around" to become sexually educated.
Btw, why do you insult other members on this forum? Not nice.
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because it seems this forum is infested with members who find consolation in painting a pretty bad picture of egyptian women as submissive, superficial and insecure.. and the funny thing is the majority who are making these generalizations are foreign women and egyptian men. The motivations behind this bashing is clear from reading the posts on this board!
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Kabreeta, Hmmm, I didn't find one person in this post bashing egyptian women. If anything they came to their defense and showed understanding. Interesting that your first couple posts are insulting and defensive. I wonder why!?! By the way, I think Egyptian women are anything but submissive superficial and insecure. In fact, I think us westerners could learn a few things from them. Do you have anything of relevance to add or do you just enjoy making fire out of clay?
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quote:Originally posted by Kabreeta: because it seems this forum is infested with members who find consolation in painting a pretty bad picture of egyptian women as submissive, superficial and insecure.. and the funny thing is the majority who are making these generalizations are foreign women and egyptian men. The motivations behind this bashing is clear from reading the posts on this board!
I believe you've just dialled the wrong forum!
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i second some of what Kabreeta said...Many Egyptian women know way more than what you think, so just be carefull on what u wish for
but let me ask you something... how do u think Egyptian (or arab) men who live in their homelands know all the things they know about sexual activities? Them too werent taught this in school or anything... so???
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Really? Are you insinuating that arab men know a lot about the subject? I didn't know that was an accepted fact. You know, its a good question, one that can only REALLY be answered by egyptian women or their partners. But, that being said, I think in response to the original question - its good to know what you like, to be a little self-examined, and to not want to get entwined with someone who doesn't share your attitudes. I really think that 80% of the time you can get a very good idea about what someone will be like simply by talking to them and checking out the look in their eyes. Maybe its pheromones, but good chemistry exists wayyyyyy outside of the bedroom and is only magnified therein, with plenty of exceptions. So hobhob, maybe you should just ask her what she thinks is acceptable in the bedroom.
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Hob, one does not need to be Michelangelo to know about painting techniques. There are books, Internet, friends and family to ask.... Do not worry as much about the 'technicalieties': woman is a sensitive creature and if you surround her with love and make her feel desired and beautiful, her sexual feelings will blossom straight into your hands. Woman's sexual desires are fueled by love and affection, the techniques we have already 'coded' into our genes, ready to be used: they will come up naturally, just like the first step me make or the first gulp of apple juice we take. So - fall in love and the rest will follow. Also, reading 'erotically inspirational' books together can be lots of fun! Best of luck.
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However its becoming reality that more people are having sex before marriage in Egypt and even having multiple partners... I think the thing is it doesnt matter whether or not a egyptian man or women knows all of the different positions or not, its whether or not they know how to put a CONDOM ON!
This is what they should be teaching them in the schools! And if they can buy the condoms in the first place or purschase the pill. Or if they do get pregnant can they get an abortion?
Sex is natural if u feel comfortable with the person it doesnt matter how experienced you are!
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you wanna get married and the first thing you're looking for in a marriage is how wild and kinky your sexual life is gonna be instead of looking for basic and vital qualities in your partner as being religious,loyal,responsible,kind,smart how she values and understands marriage etc..for god's sake be creative in your questions...it's not just talking about things like that will make a big boooooooooom ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhh sexxxxxxxxxxxxx wooooooooooooooooowwwwwww...with your notion of marriage like this actually you're looking forward to getting married to a pornstar...and for heaven's sake " are egyptian girls sexually educated " do they need a phd or what to have sex ? before you ask a question about marrying an egyptian girl you should know an egyptian girl before all that crap...adam and eve didnt take any kamasutra courses to make the world's population to be like this...by the way i really wish that people look in the mirror before they make any comments about other ones...so to what extent are you sexually educated ? remember animals have sex as well...it's an instinct...no other comments LoL :-)
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quote:Originally posted by Kabreeta: because it seems this forum is infested with members who find consolation in painting a pretty bad picture of egyptian women as submissive, superficial and insecure.. and the funny thing is the majority who are making these generalizations are foreign women and egyptian men. The motivations behind this bashing is clear from reading the posts on this board!
Hey! I am NOT bashing. I only tell what I know geez. And just to mix things up I'll tell you this....... One of my good friends in the USA is Mormon. Before she was married she never even kissed a guy. I met my friend after they were already married and let me tell you........ok I won't tell you but trust me, from what she told me they learned A LOT on their own and had no complaints about their sex life!
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: Seriously how can Egyptian girls in general know about sex and any details of positions etc.? Remember your girls have to enter marriage unkissed and untouched.[/QB]
Ehem....SUPPOSEDLY!
And, it highly depends on the social class we r discussing here. I like the advice a lot though.
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quote:Originally posted by Tigerlily: Seriously how can Egyptian girls in general know about sex and any details of positions etc.? Remember your girls have to enter marriage unkissed and untouched.
Ehem....SUPPOSEDLY!
And, it highly depends on the social class we r discussing here. I like the advice a lot though. [/QB]
You know I hear one thing from my husband.
High class women don't do sex or anything of the sort before marriage, its the impoverished who have no morals.
Then from my girlfriends who where Somali refugees in Cairo growing up, who actually went to either private schools or Islamic schools say that High class women are sluts and wear raunchy clothes and have their hymen repaired before marriage.
Why can't we just conclude its an opportunity and personality factor. Not a class factor.
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I agree with your Somali friends. Girls from the upper middle-class and the upper class have way more freedom (even if their accompanied by their brother and the friends of his brother or her cousins or.... ), you see them at the discotheques, you see them flirting at the cafes. Okay, now I am not saying that they are all screw around but its just so strange to watch that. During the day you see normal dressed Egyptian women, women in galabeyyas and at night you see the other Egyptian women in skimpy little black skirts hopping around. It's definitely a total contrast.
Usually impoverished families live still more the traditional way. Girls and boys get strictly seperated. They can't even talk to each other on the street without other people watching and judging them and the rumor is home before she made it and gets questioned and punished.
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quote:Originally posted by hobhob: okay i'm egyptian,live in the states and i want to marry an egyptian from egypt.but i heard that women there dont know anything about sex since its highly prohibited to talk about it there,so do women in egypt know about those taboo positions and stuff and like oral sex,or they're just plain,and would think stuff like that is weird?
I think it all depends on how crazy you want to get. If you are talking oral, many Egyptian women are not comfotable with it. Egyptian girls lack experience in bed, which in fact could be more fun since you become the teacher. I personally believe that a woman is a woman, if you put her in the right mood, you would have a blast Posts: 132 | Registered: Dec 2005
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quote:Originally posted by QueenBee: Hey did you ever read "The Perfumed Garden" by Sheikh Nefzawi? (Not recommending it) Utter trash, more positions than you can shake a stick at... I don't think you can make sweeping generalizations about what people may or may not be into when they start gettin' funky in the dark. Good question anyway, and I can't helpfully answer it because I'm not from Egypt.
That book "The Perfumed Garden by Sheikh Nefzawi" is in the rare book department at the U of M.
So I'd have to read it in front of a bunch of librarians.
No way in hell I am going to read a sex book in front of librarians.
Somehow the Catholic university will allow me to read it in privacy of a study nook.
Can't understand why the U of M won't allow me the same privacy?
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if you pm me an address i will send it to you. i dont think its worthy of the rarified distinction.
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so what about the virgin egyption men, right? what if they hook up with a wordly women from the west? how does it go then?
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quote:Originally posted by Khadija_Diagne: so what about the virgin egyption men, right? what if they hook up with a wordly women from the west? how does it go then?
They'll treat you like a mature, musically challenged, theatrically miffed hetaerae.
quote:Originally posted by Khadija_Diagne: so what about the virgin egyption men, right? what if they hook up with a wordly women from the west? how does it go then?
They'll treat you like a mature, musically challenged, theatrically miffed hetaerae.
quote:Originally posted by delusional: However its becoming reality that more people are having sex before marriage in Egypt and even having multiple partners... I think the thing is it doesnt matter whether or not a egyptian man or women knows all of the different positions or not, its whether or not they know how to put a CONDOM ON!
This is what they should be teaching them in the schools! And if they can buy the condoms in the first place or purschase the pill. Or if they do get pregnant can they get an abortion?
Sex is natural if u feel comfortable with the person it doesnt matter how experienced you are!
good god, I hope egypt never becomes the way you want it to be. dont import your morality. abortions and a billion types of birth control arent necessary in a religious countrywhere premarital sex is taboo (as it should be, since it creates societal problems).
if only all our problems could be solved by teaching young men how to put on a condom. perhaps now they need to start teaching young kids in western countries how to JUST SAY NO.
i speak as an american born muslim, who was no angel when she became muslim at the age of 18.
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quote:Originally posted by FireBlade: you wanna get married and the first thing you're looking for in a marriage is how wild and kinky your sexual life is gonna be instead of looking for basic and vital qualities in your partner as being religious,loyal,responsible,kind,smart how she values and understands marriage etc..for god's sake be creative in your questions...it's not just talking about things like that will make a big boooooooooom ohhhhhhh yeahhhhhhhh sexxxxxxxxxxxxx wooooooooooooooooowwwwwww...with your notion of marriage like this actually you're looking forward to getting married to a pornstar...and for heaven's sake " are egyptian girls sexually educated " do they need a phd or what to have sex ? before you ask a question about marrying an egyptian girl you should know an egyptian girl before all that crap...adam and eve didnt take any kamasutra courses to make the world's population to be like this...by the way i really wish that people look in the mirror before they make any comments about other ones...so to what extent are you sexually educated ? remember animals have sex as well...it's an instinct...no other comments LoL :-)
to the young man who made this thread......read this entry......then read it again.....and again.
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What is all this garbage about Western and Eastern, totally uncalled for and not needed. If you are truly believing in God as u say you will not be dividing..
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My Egyptian boyfriend says he has had sex with a little over 40 Egyptian girls. lol I am American and my count is way more conservative. So, yes, Egyptian girls are giving it up.
AS for the condoms. I agree, THEY NEED TO BE BETTER EDUCATED ON THIS SUBJECT. It angers me that they can choose to not use one so easily. I have yet to have sex without a condom!
I told him that if I move to Egypt I am opening a sex clinic. An office with a doctor, nurse, and psychologist to help these kids. Give free condoms and advice.
I WILL MAIL YOU THE DAMN CONDOMS JUST USE THEM PEOPLE!
quote:Originally posted by sara7a ra7a: Salaam 3alaykom we ra7matullah
What is all this garbage about Western and Eastern, totally uncalled for and not needed. If you are truly believing in God as u say you will not be dividing..
Your mother watch alot of that PTL crap? Posts: 1765 | Registered: Mar 2006
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When I bought condoms in Cairo in some drug store they had to dig them up under some covers - they were not on display - I think that it is probably very embarrassing for young people to buy condoms in Egypt - Do married couples there use condoms??
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quote:Originally posted by Anthropos: When I bought condoms in Cairo in some drug store they had to dig them up under some covers - they were not on display - I think that it is probably very embarrassing for young people to buy condoms in Egypt - Do married couples there use condoms??
Yes married couples use condoms but I don't know the stats.
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I have heard from my egyptian boyfriend very interesting stories how egyptians people are having fun.All his friends was like that include him.And all this was with an egyptian girls. Thet are not that much different from us but some of them are very religius.
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And now what the French think of Egyptians:
Taboos in heritage
The reserves to approach sexuality, in family or at the school, leave the disabled young people and generate an ignorance of the desires of the other. Report. How one makes the babies?” “Can one have children without being married?” “Why the body of my small on is so different from the mien?” That they are smelled prepared or not, the parents face one day with the interrogative and insistent glance their small children; but all do not answer it in the same way. “I will use terms of love, union”, affirms Dalia, mother of small girl a one year old. “I said to my 12 year old daughter that it is like a kind of plantation in the body of the woman”, as for it, Névine affirms. Hamdeya, cleaning lady living in El-Waily, one of the poorest districts of Cairo, is indignant: “Neither my nieces nor my daughters would never dare to speak about sex. They know that I would break the figure to them. The wedding night day before of my nieces, I gave them councils: in particular that to respect the desires of their husband.”
For Victor Sami, psychologist specialized in sexology, “it is imperative that the sex education starts as of the youth. But in Egypt, the parents are reticent to open the dialogue on a subject taboo.” The crispations around shame or of the reputation draw the limits of this education, with the risk of the misinformation. Thus Joelle, coed in fourth academic year and resulting from a catholic private school of Héliopolis, acknowledges, constrained: “For a long time, I believed that the sexual relation did not give pleasure to the woman. Until two months ago, when my buddy explained me the orgasm term.” In addition, in the countryside and in the moved back places, much consider that the pleasure is a business of men.
Absence of dialogue
With the origin of this ignorance is the absence of dialogue between the mother and her daughter, and this same in the most educated mediums. The women test much embarrassment to tackle the subject, fearing that that does not affect their image. “I do not want that they think scenes which will be engraved then in their spirit. I am afraid to be badly seen by my own daughters”, explains Mireille, dentist and mother of three girls. Badly at ease, reticent, it ends up releasing: “I know the importance of the sexual culture, but I prefer that the sour elder ones or their large cousins deal with this role.” How to teach besides what oneself one did not learn? The statutory value granted to the virginity of the nonmarried girls (to read framed page21) made that the parents and the community prefer to maintain the young women in the ignorance of the sexual questions. This ignorance is often regarded as a sign of purity and innocence, the opposite like that of a doubtful morality.
At puberty, the mother will deliver with her daughter a form of implicit education based on sexual interdicts. For Abir Taleb, thirty year journalist without child, “this form of training on the sex is not only implicit but also perverse. Without never in speaking directly, the mother will inculcate in her daughter ``good walls'', behaviors to be followed, interdicts with never enfreindre. ``Crosses your legs, would not be too close to your cousin'' belong to these reflexions which make include/understand with the girl what separates it from the man.” The limits of the report/ratio to the other masculine, established and integrated as of puberty, contribute to the crystallization of the major ground interdict of Islam: that of the fornication it sexual relation except marriage. However, Abir nuance, “even if a majority of girls are virgin before their weddings, one cannot say that the Egyptian company is pure. Many girls have sexual intercourse without penetration. It is very widespread among people of my generation.” In Bani Mazar, in High-Egypt, Fadwa known as to answer all the interrogations of his/her daughter, but also of her cousins, friends and neighbors. With its costs. “It is badly accepted. I am perceived like a shameless mother.” Noha, married it there has two years, remembers, she, that its wedding night day before, she did not know anything of what was going to occur: “My parents spoke to me only about the respect, the agreement, the love!”
In the public schools, the sexual question is tackled only under the angle of puberty and the physical changes which the young people in preparatory years know. The initiative depends on the goodwill of the schools: no governmental instruction invites to do it. For the girls, one observes the participation of companies of sanitary towels which come “to give courses to encourage with the use of their products”, tells Abla, welfare officer. But much of public schools stick to that, these interventions being regarded as sufficient.
In the secondary, nothing changes. Soha, it also welfare officer in a public school, is questioned: “Some know all, and do not need explanations. But of others redden of shame. How to speak with this diversity about girls? Moreover, the schools and the professors who dare in speaking are badly seen by certain parents.” That they are frightened embarrassment of the girls or that they do not feel not qualified to do it, the result is the same one: the teaching ones speak little with the pupils. In fact, the girls discuss much between them, exchange stories or their experiments.
In the private schools, supposed to be opened, the girls complain about the lack of clearness of too scientific courses. “The professeure of sciences seemed to have shame while speaking to us”, tells Marianne, coed of 19ans. These schools invite sometimes psychologists to intervene in the courses of life. “Once, one of them refused to explain certain terms. For the masturbation, it was satisfied to speak about harmful behavior for psychological health about the young people”, tells Noha.
“The secret practice”
For the boys, sexuality is the subject of several lessons, exempted in the secondary towards the age of 14 years, in the course devoted to Islam. The question is obviously tackled there through the prism of the religion. For Mohamed, who carried out his schooling in a college of Mounira, in Cairo, “this education bases itself too much on the marriage”. Its courses inculcated to him that sexuality is free only after the marriage, or warned it counters behaviors considered deviating and condemnable. “The secret practice” - to hear the masturbation, prohibited in religion, is comparable there with a sexual intercourse with his/her mother or one on. In the same way, the positions moving away from traditional “the face-to-face discussion” are condemned there; they belong to these faults which, one learned him, “cannot be repurchased in the religion”. It is at the university, where the first man-women ratios take shape, that the things evolve/move, continues Mohamed: “The parents miss. One can speak to the girls and, for the first time often, one can embrace them, touch their bodies, and even take along a girl at home.”
School teaching, if it does not make a sex an absolute taboo, often provides a framework in shift with the reality of the practices and knowledge in Egypt. “The sex education is not the training of the technical method. The sex act must absolutely be related to the sensuality, to the attention towards the other. But this training is non-existent in Egypt”, estimates Fady, 27 years. For him, the sex is neglected and taboo in the Arab countries whereas in fact, “all exists: the prostitution, the pornography” As of their adolescence, the young Egyptians devote themselves to a true search to mitigate this absence of information, and especially to satisfy their curiosity poked by the censured scenes of films on television. As of 14-15 years, they exchange magazines, erotic films, download photographs on their portable telephones, consult pornographic sites if they have access to Internet or look at chains satellite like Polish Polsat. These chains made their appearance at the beginning of the Nineties and know since a strong audience. In spite of the censure of the parents who often block them or remove them, they constitute with Internet one of the principal sources of approach of the sex.
Far from educating with sexuality, these media often give a distorted representation of it, as well as a retrograde design of the woman. “In Egypt, one practises the sex, one seeks to take pleasure or to have a child, but one does not make love, one does not seek to give and to take pleasure”, Fady estimates. A vision worsened by the frequentation of the prostitutes, current in the easy and average classes.
To transform the sex into pleasure In a context where normality is that of a durable relation, the man develops true anguishes as for his virility, his capacity to be ensured on the long term. “It is said to us that the women have a sexual desire much more important and a need for satisfaction much longer than the men. It is also heard that the reserves of sperm being limited, the practice of the sex before the marriage exposes to an incapacity to make enjoy his wife for a long time”, notes Doctor Sami. However, these remarks are contradicted by biology and medicine: “It is a question of time. The man must wait until the woman arrives at her maximum of pleasure”, it continues by showing a graph on the difference of the time relationship/satisfaction between the man and the woman. The couples can manage to transform the sex into pleasure, even if the catch takes place at the end of one month even of a year.
But shame and dignity limit the discussion in the couples. The man can doubt his effectiveness at the point to depress, or to show his wife of coldness. In the extreme cases, the man is paralysed, or it is the body of the woman who becomes repulsive with different by the contraction of the uterine muscles. Any sexual intercourse becomes impossible. A frequent problem during the first weeks after the marriage. “It is not a question of an organic problem, but psychological”, Doctor Sami announces. But, according to him, the couples tend to make the turn of the gynaecologists, the andrologists and sometimes of the dermatologists, without thinking of the sexologists..
Perceptible MOuvertures
Initiatives are born however to mitigate this lack of information. Thus, certain private catholic schools grant interest to the courses of life. The Secretariat of the catholic schools in Egypt, a private teaching institution, has proposed for three years at the voluntary schools one in account today 167 - teaching supports and activities, as well as a formation with the organizers of the courses of life. “Sexuality belongs to the life, one cannot regard it as a separate subject of the other aspects of the growth of the child”, underlines Samar Shenouda, in charge of the design of the teaching equipment at the office of training of the teachers of the Secretariat general.
Questions about the masturbation
Another initiative, that of On Celestial, person in charge for the secondary in a private school, which invites a gynaecologist to exempt courses. “It is necessary to give information which is appropriate for each age, but also to answer their interrogations, even more shocking, as those which relate to the masturbation, the positions, the orgasm.” With condition, however the chocolate éclair moderates, of advising with the girls not to too much speak about it between them, nor to think of it too much, for fear the subject is not transformed into obsession.
An opening is also perceptible on television. Thus the El-Yom chain, of the satellite group Saoudi Orbit, proposes a daily program, El-QahiraEl-Yom, which deals with sexual problems encountered by the Arabs - Moslems like Christians. Men and women intervene on line to share their experiments and opinions openly. At the beginning of December, a sexologist discussed there the average and normal number of sexual relations per month in the married couples. An opening is also perceptible on television. Thus the El-Yom chain, of the satellite group Saoudi Orbit, proposes a daily program, El-QahiraEl-Yom, which deals with sexual problems encountered by the Arabs - Moslems like Christians. Men and women intervene on line to share their experiments and opinions openly. At the beginning of December, a sexologist discussed there the average and normal number of sexual relations per month in the married couples.
Moslem side, the awakening of the importance of the dialogue is made more and more feel, even if it is concretized slowly. Emissions sets of themes on DreamTV invite sheiks and professors d' El-Azhar who answer the questions of the spectators, such this woman asking whether it is haram to masturbate after a sexual relation with her husband.
Discusses religious
Conferences and debates were also held recently. Thus the Committee of the scientific and cultural rebirth organized at the end of November of the round tables on the body in general, of which a treating debate of the sex education within the religious framework. Thinkers and of the Moslem and Christian monks took part in the discussion, of which Gamal El-Banna, writer and Islamic thinker. “Better is worth to rather entrust this task to an expert than to let the young people consult sites and pornographic chains, affirms it. The fact that a young man or that a young woman is unaware of all that has relationship with the sex is unacceptable.” Islam, according to Gamal El-Banna, perceives the sexual intercourse neither like an evil nor like a sin: “The instinct was created by God. The sex cannot be separated from the human nature, it should not become a taboo.”
quote:Originally posted by Anthropos: When I bought condoms in Cairo in some drug store they had to dig them up under some covers - they were not on display - I think that it is probably very embarrassing for young people to buy condoms in Egypt
You know, they do the same when you buy Always...as if it was something shameful to have one's period...
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quote:Originally posted by CairoStudent: 1) One Egyptian boyfriend casually asked me if most of my friends are not circumcized, like me.
I nearly fell off my chair.
Then he goes 'I think it looks nicer circumcized because there is not all that stuff hanging down'.
Then we had a fight for 2 days about if a woman truly looses sexual pleasure from genetal mutilation. He didn't believe me.
2) I asked the lady who does my bikini waxing here in Egypt if most vaginas she sees are 'natural' or 'cut'. She said that 'cut' was almost universal.
So then I asked some girlfriends if they are circumcized or not, and only one actually knew, and she said yes, that's her family tradition.
Not knowing if you are circumcized, for a woman, is a pretty big knowledge gap.
Men thinking women should have their twat chopped off because it 'looks' nicer is also a pretty big knowledge gap.
Relating to #1, above, I always regretted not telling him that 3 minutes isn't enough for ANY woman, not just me!!!
i was told from an Egyptian friend (who did have FGM as a child) that it does not make her think of sex less. She says, in fact, she likes it (with hubby of course) but that she finds it takes her SOOOO long to reach the point of ultimate sexual enjoyment. She feels it is due to her missing part, and swears she won't do the same to her daughter.
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quote:Originally posted by CairoStudent: 1) One Egyptian boyfriend casually asked me if most of my friends are not circumcized, like me.
I nearly fell off my chair.
Then he goes 'I think it looks nicer circumcized because there is not all that stuff hanging down'.
Then we had a fight for 2 days about if a woman truly looses sexual pleasure from genetal mutilation. He didn't believe me.
2) I asked the lady who does my bikini waxing here in Egypt if most vaginas she sees are 'natural' or 'cut'. She said that 'cut' was almost universal.
So then I asked some girlfriends if they are circumcized or not, and only one actually knew, and she said yes, that's her family tradition.
Not knowing if you are circumcized, for a woman, is a pretty big knowledge gap.
Men thinking women should have their twat chopped off because it 'looks' nicer is also a pretty big knowledge gap.
Relating to #1, above, I always regretted not telling him that 3 minutes isn't enough for ANY woman, not just me!!!
i was told from an Egyptian friend (who did have FGM as a child) that it does not make her think of sex less. She says, in fact, she likes it (with hubby of course) but that she finds it takes her SOOOO long to reach the point of ultimate sexual enjoyment. She feels it is due to her missing part, and swears she won't do the same to her daughter.
I asked about FGM of my SIL she had this look in her eyes like she wanted to kill me.
I can believe that she didn't have it done, her mother is a very very very smart woman who did her Hajj young so she was counseled on this before becoming a mother.
Personallly after asking my SIL if she and her daughter had it done and the look I got, I didn't bother asking anyone else. Actually my SIL went around and found family and friends (females) who could attest to not having it done.
Shebin has some of its ancestory from the Napoleanic Savants and Soilders. Napolean didn't take Islam seriously, but his men who stayed behind did. In addition to the scores of town Sheiks who managed to recieve some of their theological training in Saudi Arabia (before the Sauds) and Palestine. Being exposed to a different theological training system did expose them to some of the not so Muslim practices that surrounded them.
I know Shebin is immensely hated, for good reason. So much of contemporary red-tape originates from there. In addition to the fact that people of Shebin don't follow the same "traditional" practices of many Egyptians. Hence why I didn't bother to ask anyone besides my SIL if that had their anatomy altered. I got the full lecture early.
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quote:Originally posted by CairoStudent: 1) a woman truly looses sexual pleasure from genetal mutilation. He didn't believe me.
So then I asked some girlfriends if they are circumcized or not, and only one actually knew, and she said yes,
im stunned.
how can you not know? and how can a mother do this to her daughter? it should be illegal, its child abuse!!!!!
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