How much financial situation of your future husband - wife is important to you?
Who is more materialistic - men or women?
Who should be provider, how do you feel when a woman is provider, how do you feel when a man is provider?
Does it bother you when you are on a date and you are expected to pay everything, 50/50 or nothing? Which situation makes you feel more comfortable and why? Does your culture, family values influence you ? How?
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Would you marry a woman or a man for their money and wealth?
How much financial situation of your future husband - wife is important to you?
Who is more materialistic - men or women?
Who should be provider, how do you feel when a woman is provider, how do you feel when a man is provider?
Does it bother you when you are on a date and you are expected to pay everything, 50/50 or nothing? Which situation makes you feel more comfortable and why? Does your culture, family values influence you ? How?
you know Sharon you've asked this same query in about 20 different ways in about 50 different threads. But hey, empty superficial "Dr. Phil" fluff turns you on don't it?
Money matter, hell yeah. Anyone who says anything different is desperate just to have a warm body in their life.
Money is the top issue that leads to the decline in marital accord.
So no matter what culture you come from money matters.
While dating I haven't paid for anything. Just how I am. But when a relationship turns to me paying for basic necessities or paying more than half for household expenses its time to break up.
Why? because I do alot around the house and also fix an assortment of problems. I am worth my weight in gold and he paying for the vast majority of expenses is compensation.
And I have learned something "Sex & Security". I need both. Sex needs to happen all the time and I need to be stimulated and be stimulating. Sex ends the relationship ends. Security means I know our relationship is socially accepted and we are presented to the world as a functioning couple. In addition to I know he will consider my needs at all time (because I do the same) and he is planning for our family's future even if he is no longer around (as in death).
The man must be a provider, I will provide but not 50/50. When the relationship is young and children are being born & raised what I do in the home he could never accomplish even if he was a multi-millionaire. Later in life when the kids are in school I will put more towards my career and eventually catch up. But I don't need to surpass him, nor do I need to be a stronger provider, ever. Providing as a wife and mother is more than enough.
If some dumb @ss thinks I am going to be the wife and husband, well fate kicks in and he is no longer a man (literally).
On that note I won't date or marry someone who comes from a excessively higher income bracket than I was raised in. Luckily, I grew up in an affluent neighborhood that people consider upper-middle class, but went to school with some pretty darn rich kids. If someone has been raised in a lower-income bracket and less desireable zip code, fine, but he must be able to earn what my father had during my growing years.
The reason for this is Muslim tradition and possibly a hadith (maybe weak or strong depends how insecure a guy is and how desperate the woman) a husband must provide for his wife in the manner she lived in her father's home.
To marry below my social-income strata would be encouraging some useless dick head to ask my daughter for her hand, instead of going to her father or I to ask properly for her hand and to prove he could provide abundantly.
Daughter is a reflection of her Mother, I must be virtuous and make decisions based on Islamic tradition and Sharia. Otherwise it'll cause trouble in the future for my daughter.
Old fashioned? yeah, but more resonable than you would think.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Albino. Thanks for sharing all details. You seem to be very open person. Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Albino. Thanks for sharing all details. You seem to be very open person.
And that is a very tongue in cheek remark, in otherwords a passive agressive statement and you know it.
Why ask the same things over and over and over again?
You need reassurance for a decision you have already made and need someone is cyberspace to give you moral support since you cannot recieve it in your real life?
Face it, this is a forum on Egypt. Any woman who pays instead of the man insisting on him paying is no real woman and neither is he a real man.
If you are interested in an Egyptian man, you must play according to Egyptian societal rules. Even if you are paving his way to an American passport, he will value you according to his own cultural expectations.
Buying a guy will not make him any less Egyptian.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
I value your advice Albino and I will take it seriously.
I have to think about this more deeply to see why I am repeating this question. I don't know to give you answers at this time because I was pretty much unaware of it. You brought it to my awarness by telling me about it. I have to first see which one made me so angry and why.
After I find out, I will surely express it more directly.
Posted by QueenBee (Member # 9378) on :
I don't believe in marrying for wealth. If a guy has a good income, it is a sign of success, which can indicate other things about him. I usually gravitate toward successful people who are involved in the business of "making it happen." In other words, not sitting around waiting for something to drop in their laps. Sometimes you can meet guys who are not successful and you later find out they spend the whole winter watching movies in the back rooms of their offices. Not a good sign. If you're not going to work, at least get a productive hobby! That said, I believe too much in love. I believe I can sink my own fortune for love. I know one thing for 100% certain: I can't have sex with someone I don't love. I can't say "I love you," and can't grab their knee while they are driving, and can't play with their hair while watching the news... I can't willingly have their children, I can't do the "wife" routine with someone I don't love. So the idea of taking some guy as a husband just to "get ahead" is to me, the same as prostitution. I can get ahead on my own. I can also live alone well. If I am going to be with a man, its because I love him and I want to take care of him for as long as I can imagine.
Posted by Bite (Member # 10646) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Would you marry for money and wealth?
How much financial situation of your future husband - wife is important to you?
Who is more materialistic - men or women?
Who should be provider, how do you feel when a woman is provider, how do you feel when a man is provider?
Does it bother you when you are on a date and you are expected to pay everything, 50/50 or nothing? Which situation makes you feel more comfortable and why? Does your culture, family values influence you ? How?
Not only culture, family values ifluence smb- also ambitions, life values, view of future and the way u have lived ur life before meeting smb. If honestly, i don't think i could marry, if more exactly- fall in love with a man who hasn't reached anything in his life or even haven't tried that. Apart from any culture, man is expected to be a husband, a boss at home...As we say- man is a head of family, but a woman a neck Sure -i consider also a woman needs to take care about family budget, but it can't be the main source of income. I have been a provider in my previous relationship. How i felt??? I felt i was becoming a man- it went so far that i needed to start caring also about different repairing, building works and bla bla. It didn't let me feel myself that i am a woman, that i need care, that i need advice, that i need time for myself and different woman stuff. Really hate that time Now when i have reached smth in my life and experienced a lot- i ask the same from my man. And it refers also to his financial situation. Maybe we just look for someone who is similar to ourselves. About paying- sure no problem for me to pay all or 50/50, but it is not what i am looking for. Not cause of money- maybe just my principle. Especially first dates which form the first impressions. When relationship is already stable- it's ok to share money Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
I thought about this and I am very angry at men's irresponsibility towards women and family in general. I don't know is this a norm, so men are becoming this way or what's going on? My "giving nature" caused me lots of pain.
Now it could be me - it could be that since I have a "giving nature" and I always provided for boyfriends, friends, family, for brothers and sisters, for people around me so they just got used to it - and can't even think of doing anything in return.
In regards of men - those I had encountered are usually very cheap. Now - maybe I am too generous so it always appears as if they are giving less. It could be. I don't know men who are very generous, giving and kind. Usually I meet men who are opposite of that description.
I do meet sometimes men who pay for the whole date buy they usually try to compensate the cost in some other ways. Such as borrowing my favorite CD and never returning it back. Taking my expensive computer software and pretending 3 years after it never happened. Taking stuff from me (borrowing) and acting like they never took it in the 1st place.
The men I meet are cheap, not educated, have no stability in their life, alcoholics, egoistics, narcisstics, liers, don't feel they should help woman, with low paid jobs yet very arrogant (acting as if they are multi-millioners),insensitive, irresponisble, all kinds of people you would not want to be around. I can handle and understand everything, however I need someone who will understand me and ask me, someone who has it all and doesn't need my money, my income, my stuff, my CD's, my laptops... someone who needs me in a different way but not as a provider.
I don't know if this has anything to do with "culture". Probably. It's the Culture of taking and having no manners yet expecting everyon else to give you and being irresponsible. I quit talking with all people who don't call me as often as I do, because I see no point in having friendship that is 1-way street.
I am cleaning my closet and trying to learn from others how they feel and if I can learn anything from their experiences. I want to change the ways and learn how to be smarter when it comes to selection of man who are worthy of me. Posted by TexasGirl (Member # 10804) on :
Sharon:
If I do not marry my Egyptian boyfriend and we break up and I am to marry again my next husband from the States will be RICH. Yes I will marry for money I am tired of "just getting by" and paying bills and not being able to enjoy life. It's too short these days anyway!!
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Texas Girl - so tell me how do you do that? How do you find rich husband who is responsible, educated, giving, caring, generous? Where?
I simply don't know how to select.
It's not good to be good - so I am changing my ways - let some other "giving nature" be a fool and waste time with "losers". Posted by Lazeez (Member # 10655) on :
quote:Originally posted by Albino_Eskimo:
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Albino. Thanks for sharing all details. You seem to be very open person.
And that is a very tongue in cheek remark, in otherwords a passive agressive statement and you know it.
Sharon is so polite, she said, Thank you!! Would you rather have her calling you a bitch to feel better?
Posted by charm el feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Would you marry for money and wealth?
yes! marriage is just a piece of paper.
Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
a rich man doesn't always have to be giving and generous, could be as greedy as uncle scrooge. same time you can start ur life of with nothing with someone u love and u can both make it to be perfect. then u can say u won love and nice life. yes i agree some people just use women for money or get used to have and not give, but it doesn't mean they r all like this. as the egyptian proverb says "ya wakhda el erd ala kotr maaloh, yerooH el maal we yefDal el erd ala Haloh" translation: If you "marry" a monkey for his wealth, the money goes and the monkey remains as is .." meaning: Don't get attracted by money. Said to a girl who wants to marry anyone for only being wealthy.
Posted by Asooma (Member # 8611) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Would you marry for money and wealth?
How much financial situation of your future husband - wife is important to you?
This is very interesting question; however I would like to answer your question from religious prospective. in Islam women should marry a person who is suitable and equal for her Socially and financially ( and also educationally) so I would like to marry someone who is approximately similar to me!! Y3ney I cant marry a poor man!! however I had chose someone be4 who was equal 2 me socially but not financially because I always believe that money as soon as it appears it can disappear!
So I believe that the financial status is not stable There is an Egyptian proverb that describes my words, “ya we7`da 2l erd 3la mallow ra7 2l mal wa fedl 2l erd 3la 7low ” You, who chose a monkey for his money, The money has gone and the monkey remains.”
Posted by Asooma (Member # 8611) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: a rich man doesn't always have to be giving and generous, could be as greedy as uncle scrooge. same time you can start ur life of with nothing with someone u love and u can both make it to be perfect. then u can say u won love and nice life. yes i agree some people just use women for money or get used to have and not give, but it doesn't mean they r all like this. as the egyptian proverb says "ya wakhda el erd ala kotr maaloh, yerooH el maal we yefDal el erd ala Haloh" translation: If you "marry" a monkey for his wealth, the money goes and the monkey remains as is .." meaning: Don't get attracted by money. Said to a girl who wants to marry anyone for only being wealthy.
so we have posted the proverb at the same time?? anyway I like your words!! Posted by sara_uk (Member # 11454) on :
asooma and guest of life, great minds think alike lol how wired you both quote the exact saying
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Those words are great words but not applicable in reality much. As result of not being "attracted" to money this is how I feel:
I often feel unappreciated. I feel like a man. Just because I worked harder and I made more - people expect me to pay more. Just because I have - I am, expected to give all the time and to never receive. Most of times I don't get even a call to acknowledge that help was received. "They" did not find it necessary.
I am usually one who calls all the time, pays all the time, and understands everyone all the time. When we talk, they usually tell me all about their problems, never asking if I have any. They are often very incosiderate of my needs, usually they plan for me without even asking me if that's what I really want and what are my priorities.
Rarely people I care about will ask if I need something, how am I - I can't remember when it happened. When I am good people take advantage of it, making it as if - what I do is my job, my obligation anyway. I do understand providers regardless of their gender and how they feel.
So if I find a man who have enough and don't really need me financially but instead want to give me everything and offer me generously ( I probably would not take it eagerly as I learned to earn everything on my own ) - I would be more happy and I would appreciate more because I know how it is to be - unappreciated. So why would not I want then a rich man who is generous, kind, giving...?
Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
quote:Originally posted by Asooma: so we have posted the proverb at the same time??
ROFL...asooma couldn't stop laughing here
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': Those words are great words but not applicable in reality much. As result of not being .....etc
that means one thing Sharon Stone WRONG CHOICE, that's all use your mind more and know the man be4 u have anything to do with. on the other hand life is sharing, i will be not ashamed if i asked for help specially from my wife but it doesn't mean that i should be "dependent" on her not a MAN who will do this , should be a big turn off for women.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
I see - but how do you "choose" please?
Based on what? Obviously, I need to be more materialistic. I need to look if he has money and if he is financially stable, if he is educated, if he is responsible, generous, if he has his own home, appartment, his own stuff, will he need me in any other way - except as his provider. That's the key.
Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': I see - but how do you "choose" please? Based on what?
but wouldn't it be great if both did their max. beside it's not about money at all when it comes to love and life. not even how sexually both of u attracted to each other. most of the time you will be living together and sharing this life like 2 best friends. you got to find things in common both like to do and enjoy it together. "soul mates" if you are familiar with the expression, doesn't include money,sex,giving or taking.
too hard to explain this, you just feel it. and i am sure if one day you found such a soul mate, you would gladly give and not wait for somethig in return yet if he is the one, you will get in return all he can give.
Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
Hi Sharon,
Believe more in yourself, that you really are worth better! I don't know if it will make sense, but sometimes you can "think" your way to a better life - be positive.
If you are already going on dates at the moment have zero tolerance. If he doesn't call you then don't call him (force yourself ), if he doesn't get his money out first to pay then don't give in and pay yourself - try leaving your money at home, take a small purse with you that obviously can't fit money inside!
Trust your instincts and if you feel that a man is not going to give you what YOU need then move on ... what will you lose? Maybe even try NOT dating for a while - spend some time enjoying your life with no strings attached. Get to know you and what you like doing. Then maybe you can fit someone into your life the way you like it and not they way they like. This can cause a problem in some cases though because really relationships are about compromising - but that means both parties, not just you!
Sometimes women (and men) can develop a "vibe" that they give off and certain types of the opposite sex will be attracted to that. Maybe you need to loose that vibe - taking a break can help with that.
Stop asking people how they are - talk about yourself. It's hard at first and people may not react well to it, but be selfish for a while. When someone asks how you are, don't say you are ok/fine/doing well, tell them some of your problems. If they change the subject back to themselves, listen and then say "hmm yeah anyway, as I was saying....." It will be hard at first because you will not feel like yourself and will feel like you are being a bad person, but keep at it for a while ... see how you feel. If you are always the listener people will have gotten used to this and may not even consider that you have problems! You may find that you don't like it and prefer being the "doormat". Sounds a little harsh, but in reality some people like to be the givers. If that is your character then so be it - sometimes we can't change ourselves even if we think we would prefer another way. We may have been made to be a certain way for a reason.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Guest - I know that but that doesn't work!
There are not many people who are spiritual in the same way - with same depth, especially men - oh please all you say is possible only after 2 of you are finanically stable where he doesn't need me financially, where he has more than enough to provide not just for me but for himself as well. I can't even get close to someone who is cheap financially, because I hate this human trait so much that it makes me laugh. I don't respect cheap men. It also makes me angry.
Obviously, I need to be more materialistic. I need to look if he has money and if he is financially stable, if he is educated, if he is responsible, generous, if he has his own home, appartment, his own stuff. He must have his own life and his own success, not pretending he has it all when in fact he can't afford to buy a woman flowers for birthday not to mention every week, or once a month.
I need to be straightforward and tell him - listen if you can't afford to go out for dinner with a woman don't go out. If you can't afford to be a man, don't be a man, say you are a dependent. That's the key.
So why do you think being materialistic is bad, who cares, look all these good looking women are with rich guys they did not care if he is spiritual or not I got to change this asap.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: too hard to explain this, you just feel it. and i am sure if one day you found such a soul mate, you would gladly give and not wait for somethig in return yet if he is the one, you will get in return all he can give.
Well my "soulmate for Life" doesn't exist obviously. I have never met a "Soulmate" who fits your description.
I met one man who is spiritual and I was attracted to him on the soul level, and he could maybe be my soulmate but he was 1) unavailable, 2) he went on my nervs sometimes. Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
i don't agree with you SleeplessInCairo you can't change how u r or how you deal with people you just look for someone who will accept you as u r , treat you nicely and love how u r beside for how long can she pretend what she's not? what if someone like the fake you, then you just turned back to what u really is? just be ur self, use ur head and think be4 u love if you r looking for a man, know the man should be the provider not the other way around. if he's not what u r looking for, then NEXT be4 it even start.
Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: i don't agree with you SleeplessInCairo you can't change how u r or how you deal with people you just look for someone who will accept you as u r , treat you nicely and love how u r beside for how long can she pretend what she's not? what if someone like the fake you, then you just turned back to what u really is? just be ur self, use ur head and think be4 u love if you r looking for a man, know the man should be the provider not the other way around. if he's not what u r looking for, then NEXT be4 it even start.
I probably didn't explain myself very well, but my advice wasn't for her to change herself forever. It was partly for her to see if she likes life the other way. If people started to be considerate of her problems - would she be happy with this, or would she prefer it the other way? If she makes herself not call guys or pay for things, would they call her? If yes, then great, if not, then what did she lose - nothing, he/ she/ they couldn't have cared much in the first place.
She could and would still be herself - the real her - but she can try over ways here and there. Sometimes we believe we want to be another way - more funny, more quiet, more outgoing, more shy etc, but if we don't try to be the character we dream of then we will always be saying if only and what if.
In Sharon's case she is looking for someone who can share with her and be considerate, and it would be nice if she could just look for that person and he is there, but in reality some women (and maybe men too) find that they attract a certain type and this in my opinion is a result of the way we approach relationships and people. Some women get into a vicious circle that they can't get out of - whether it be to attract selfish men, violent, lazy, wimps, negative etc etc A woman needs to find the way to get out of that ring!
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Hi SleeplessInCairo:
You gave me lots of good suggestions. I was thinking to have a tattoo on my hand or somewhere where I can see and remind myself 3 things:
1) "Don't ever forget your worth". 2) "Don't call" ( 1 time person calls you, you return the call 1 time - this is maximum you can do. If person don't call, you don't call, same rule for everyone no exceptions ) 3) "Remember - just the minimum".
I am serious. I will make a tattoo to save myself from furter pain like Angelina Jolie did by making tatoo - "what nurishes me kills me" - I think tattoos as "reminders" can save you from your own "weaknesses".
This is necessary for me, otherwise I am ruined forever. I need a constant reminder because my nature is giving and this brings me lots of pain in today's world.
Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
i don't know SleeplessInCairo about the ring thing, but i have something for SH she might remember:
a book - called " Twin Souls " - Finding your true Spiritual Partner by Patricia Joudry and Maurie D. Pressman, M.D they say that Plato in Symposium talked about twin souls and this is what he said: " and when 1 of them meets with other half, the actual half of himself, the pair are lost in an amazement of love and friendship and intimacy and one will not be oput of the other's sight even for a moment. These are the people who pass their whole lives together; yet they could not explain what they desire of one another. For the intense yearning which each of them has towards the other does not appear to be the desire of the lover's intercourse, but of somethng else which the soul of either evidently desires and can not tell, and of which she has only a dark and doubtful presentiment. "
According to him, we all have another half of us.
Then it goes like this: " Do you desire to be wholy one, always day and night to be in one another's company? For if this is what you desire, I am ready to melt you into one and let you grow together, so that being two you shall become one, and after your death in the world beyond you will still be one departed soul instead of two - I ask whether this is what you lovingly desire? " - and there is not a man or woman of them who, when they heard the proposal, would not acknowledge that this melting into one another, this becoming one instead of two, was the very expression of their ancient need. And the reason is that human nature was originally one and we were a whole, and the desire and pursuit of the whole is called - love" Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: you can't change how u r or how you deal with people
I want to reply to this comment specifically also. I am living proof that you CAN change how you are and how you deal with people. It doesn't happen overnight and it is not easy in the slightest. There will also always be strains (sometimes big chunks) of your old self there, but it can be done!
People will also change the way they deal with you if you insist. It can be done politely and diplomatically without causing offence too. You don't even have to make big statements like "I want you to treat me like this!". Just by changing your attitude and with the help of body language it can be done Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
quote:Originally posted by SleeplessInCairo:
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: you can't change how u r or how you deal with people
I want to reply to this comment specifically also. I am living proof that you CAN change how you are and how you deal with people. It doesn't happen overnight and it is not easy in the slightest. There will also always be strains (sometimes big chunks) of your old self there, but it can be done!
People will also change the way they deal with you if you insist. It can be done politely and diplomatically without causing offence too. You don't even have to make big statements like "I want you to treat me like this!". Just by changing your attitude and with the help of body language it can be done
in other words, it's called literally "adaptation" to the way people treating you in order to survive that i can understand it's very nice having intellectual discussions with you guys\ladies, excuse my ignorance about ur sex. i am a man (15min will be back)
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: These are the people who pass their whole lives together; yet they could not explain what they desire of one another. For the intense yearning which each of them has towards the other does not appear to be the desire of the lover's intercourse, but of somethng else which the soul of either evidently desires and can not tell, and of which she has only a dark and doubtful presentiment. "
This is true This would be an ideal - but reallity shows me that even if I really had soulmate he is not obviously with me, he is not acting on it, and it's not for this Life so... and the question is - if I will meet ever but with happy end.
Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
Guest of Life,
The best writer I have come across for spirituality and love is Paulo Coelho! That man is inspirational!
I believe that there is that "one" person for everyone out there, but what if you mistakenly believe that you have found the one because you have low self esteem or have simply convinced yourself to settle for what you can get or because your judgement is clouded by money and looks?
How to tell the difference between lust and love?
How to tell the difference between love for money and love for a person?
I don't know how men go about choosing their life partner, what factors they consider (apart from boobs and ass ), but I know for women it can depend on a wide variety of factors!
Time of life Self Esteem Looks Money Pity Love history and experiences Genre of books read as a child
I can't even list them all. I sit with girlfriends all the time dissecting the suitability of certain men and even though I have no place to judge what is best or not, it is surprising how us women can convince ourselves someone is right when they definitely are not!
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Thanks ladies and gentlemen for nice disscusion. I have to leave now so I will get back tomorrow after I think about all you said and what was disscused. I need some time to figure things out further. I can give advice to anyone except to myself.
I will think again and think hard, there is something I can change - maybe not my true essence but at least the way how to do it, and how not do it, a constant reminder to myself in such a way that I don't feel the way I do, and also that I get what I really really want at the same time.
Posted by DamselInDistress (Member # 7061) on :
I think maybe I'm old fashioned when it comes to men. My nanna taught me that a lady never pays for anything and NEVER call a man.
Sharon, you need to read a book called 'He's just not into you'. I can't remember who wrote it though.
It sounds like you are a people pleaser and have a problem with saying no. Stop giving away and lending your stuff, stop helping out and listening to all the time wasters in your life.
Take some time out and work on yourself. Be a little selfish for once and kick all those using bums to the kerb.
Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
SleeplessInCairo 1st let me tell you this in case you didn't notice(no offense)
look to Allah creation(humans) you can find 2 similar, faces\hands\body..etc but never will find 2 with similar thinking\mind the most powerful organ Allah gave us, the brain. even identical twins have different thinking.
the point is(my opinion) we love the mind of our spouse, the soul. which's unique and different for every individual.
and for the choice, i would go for what's compatible with my mind and soul(not with boobs and ass), we all grow old one day. i think for ladies it should be the same AS LONG AS "HE" can provide the min., roof over your head and food on the table, the extras r simply EXTRAS.
or what else would u want from your soul mate(provider)?
Posted by DamselInDistress (Member # 7061) on :
And to answer your question, yes I would marry for wealth, but it would have to be the private jet, yacht in Monaco and castle type of wealth and I can't see that happening any time soon.
Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: SleeplessInCairo 1st let me tell you this in case you didn't notice(no offense)
look to Allah creation(humans) you can find 2 similar, faces\hands\body..etc but never will find 2 with similar thinking\mind the most powerful organ Allah gave us, the brain. even identical twins have different thinking.
the point is(my opinion) we love the mind of our spouse, the soul. which's unique and different for every individual.
and for the choice, i would go for what's compatible with my mind and soul(not with boobs and ass), we all grow old one day. i think for ladies it should be the same AS LONG AS "HE" can provide the min., roof over your head and food on the table, the extras r simply EXTRAS.
or what else would u want from your soul mate(provider)?
Ahh see you brought up the subject that was on my mind! Culture
Now in Egyptian culture to a certain extent - of course times are changing - but the single most important factor for many here (no generalising) is that the man can provide and the woman is provided for. In some cultures it is not like that. Even in Egypt some women are looking for something other than the roof over their head and the food on the table. They are looking for love (rich or poor), excitement, someone to make them laugh, someone to be their intellectual equal, someone who will not cheat on them, someone who will remember birthdays and anniversary things that people in some cultures may see as unimportant.
I have girlfriends from Egypt and from Europe and I can generally see where the two differ on some levels. No one of them is wrong - it is a matter of what they each find important. I have sat with my non egyptian friends and discussed the probs they have with their egyptian husbands and it is generally/usually, "he doesn't spend time with me and doesn't see that it is wrong". After some dicussions we discover that he doesn't see the wrong because he is doing all the things that a "man" should do... providing for the family Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
so finally it's not about being rich or not, and that's my point
Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
The Beatles said - "Money can't buy me love"
They were right, but they should have have added happiness too Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
Good luck Sharon... the road to happiness and love is paved with snakes and dogs I hope you find the right one for you.
Better get myself off to bed now Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
quote:Originally posted by SleeplessInCairo: The Beatles said - "Money can't buy me love"
They were right, but they should have have added happiness too
well Elvis presley sang "tooty fruity" which has nothing to do with what we r talking about Posted by SleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life:
quote:Originally posted by SleeplessInCairo: The Beatles said - "Money can't buy me love"
They were right, but they should have have added happiness too
well Elvis presley sang "tooty fruity" which has nothing to do with what we r talking about
Yeah but my song does Posted by Guest Of Life (Member # 11462) on :
"you need to kiss more than one frog to find which of them is the true prince" night all, was my pleasure today
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: i think for ladies it should be the same AS LONG AS "HE" can provide the min., roof over your head and food on the table, the extras r simply EXTRAS. or what else would u want from your soul mate(provider)?
LOL! How about some clothes, or your prefer your soul mate to walk naked? Posted by TexasGirl (Member # 10804) on :
Sharon:
Guest of Life said it You kiss many frogs until you find your weathly prince. I know this is what I am going to have to do if I want to marry again. (Part of me said hell no in fact most of me is saying hell no !! but I would like to have someone to spend my twilight years with unless I am in Paris or London on holiday!! or jetting around the world!!)
Posted by marrying my best friend (Member # 11642) on :
you know money used to be so important to me. Material thing was too you would never see me out with out my nails being done and ect. But now that I have married my Husband been to Egypt all that is nothing. I am so ready to live a simple life with my new Family:)Yes its good to have money ....but what is being rich if you dont have real love and happiness?
Posted by doodlebut (Member # 11649) on :
quote:Originally posted by SleeplessInCairo: The Beatles said - "Money can't buy me love"
the beatles had more money than Carter has pills! What do they know about that statement? Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by marrying my best friend: Yes its good to have money ....but what is being rich if you dont have real love and happiness?
I am happy for you. But what if we can get both, rich and loving husband at the same time? Why settle for less? Just an idea. Posted by eaasalam (Member # 8648) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ':
quote:Originally posted by marrying my best friend: Yes its good to have money ....but what is being rich if you dont have real love and happiness?
I am happy for you. But what if we can get both, rich and loving husband at the same time? Why settle for less? Just an idea.
Rich and Loving? Where...Where...Where? LOL (Just kidding ) Sharon If you can get both... Go for it! But, be careful 'cause some people get NONE waiting for BOTH. "Just an idea".
MMBF I agree with you. If there is no love, what then?
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
eaasalam - it's better to have none than some loser who can't even pay for our meal not to mention to provide for me and give me roof over head.
I have never met a single man who lives in his own appartment, is educated and has stable good job.
A man who rents at least and can afford living alone and independently of his family is still acceptable( to own is even better but I am not even asking for that although I should why shouldn't I??? ), has a decent stable job ( much better if he is Self-Employed or own business God forbid is that considered asking for too much ? ) and car and phone and his own kitchen at least.
This is a minimum, how else will you survive?
No, I am not going to settle for less. I woke up too late, but at least I woke up. Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
One question for guys who are willing to answer. How is it that women do it and men can't?
Men can do it as much as women, even more - the world gives them all chances plus family usually helps them and pushes them to keep going and creating - come on. This is problem. What if I get sick, and I can't make money and he has nothing, who will take care of me, and children?
Just an example. What's your solution to this?
Posted by geezer (Member # 6244) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ':
I have never met a single man who lives in his own appartment, is educated and has stable good job.
Posted by QueenBee (Member # 9378) on :
well, you know the big secret in this is that women make men rich, and then can make them broke, heehee. Men like to have INCENTIVE, and a beautiful exciting woman is powerful incentive to pull it together and make something happen. We provide them with a feeling of usefulness, especially when they can succeed well in the SACK! Its just a good daily reminder of their ability to get the job done, a reminder of their power and ability. muahaha. cats outa the bag... but you ever notice what happens to guys when they get divorced after many years of marriage?
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by QueenBee: but you ever notice what happens to guys when they get divorced after many years of marriage?
Yeah; they get ugly, drunken, pitiful, and start dating the mother of their dealer.
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': eaasalam - it's better to have none than some loser who can't even pay for our meal not to mention to provide for me and give me roof over head.
Sorry Sharon, I misunderstood you. I thought you meant RICH. But, if this is the case, you are right somebody like yourself cannot settle for less than that.
btw. Take it easy. Don't look for it, God will send you the ONE just right for you. Keep a possitive attitude in order to attract the same. Good luck for you for real.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Sharon, you suprise me more and more. I mean you are trying to give people advise in love matters but obviously you can't figure out your own.
Look, I believe that you think too much, you make it difficult to develop a bond to any man. You always find things in a guy you don't like and then he is already out of the picture for you. Maybe you should not have to high expectations, date someone for a while (an intellectual as you are so you don't get bored too quickly having conversations), find someone who has similar hobbies as you do and everything will develop or if not don't be disappointed and move on.
And on your thread you suddenly don't talk about love and deep commitment and bonding spirituality - no you are talking about looking for a rich guy! I don't believe your words, I think you posted a hoax, you want to see people reactions on the subject. You are not that shallow, I really don't think so. And your statement that you just met so far more or less only losers in your life gives me the thought that you might be attracted to these kind of people because you like to help (help syndrome).
Hm, I am not a psychologist you are much more into these things now you tell me what's really going on in your mind? If you want a rich guy you should know where to find and attract them. But do you really want that? What about if this guy is a real bump, a real dork, would his money really satisfy you?
And BTW, don't define yourself over your husband if you have one in the future. Be a woman yourself, be independent, have your own roof over your head, pay for your own meals, don't expect a man coming along a way and give you a sweet and pampered life. And once you are married it is giving and taking, I would not want to expect that my husband pays for everything and everytime especially if I would have an own income.
Posted by Sumbula2 (Member # 11665) on :
sharon, are you talking about an egyptian man? because then, its his responsibility to be financial stable and to be able to take care of you and of a future family. this is very clearly stated in islam. Women are also encouraged to marry men who are atleast equal to or greater than the wealth and capabilities that they grew up with. And if a woman wants to work, she can, but her husband can never force her to, as this is his responsibility. it has nothing to do with being a gold digger or anything silly like that. its a neccesary part of life; but its important to make sure its not the only part.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Tigerlily - your advices to me personally are off the mark.
Topic title is: " would you marry a man for wealth? ". I would be more interested to hear your response in regards of topic itself and questions asked in the very first post here.
I also have a feeling that you are using my own comments as the "100% scientific facts" from my life and because of me sharing my feelings about it - you seem to be taking advantage to use it to portray me as "incompetent" woman who can't help herself, thus can't help others.
Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
Sharon, I commented on your thoughts. I did not mean to offend you, if I did take it as an apology please.
Your are an intelligent woman so through my reply you should have figured out if I would marry for wealth or not. BTW, my family is not rich but we do have a decent lifestyle, if I want something I usually get it, we have multiply children to look after, my husband is working steadily, we are happy.
Now go and get yourself a Donald Trump! Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
He has no hair, and he is double of my age (at least) Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': He has no hair, and he is double of my age (at least)
I think you can overlook that in regards of his fortune. Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
He is married my dear. I don't want someone else's husband.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sumbula2: sharon, are you talking about an egyptian man? because then, its his responsibility to be financial stable and to be able to take care of you and of a future family. this is very clearly stated in islam. Women are also encouraged to marry men who are atleast equal to or greater than the wealth and capabilities that they grew up with. And if a woman wants to work, she can, but her husband can never force her to, as this is his responsibility. it has nothing to do with being a gold digger or anything silly like that. its a neccesary part of life; but its important to make sure its not the only part.
Hi ! I am talking about any man. Responsibility to be financally stable is for every man from every part of the world, otherwise in my opinion, he is not a man he is a child who needs to be taken care of.
I don't want to be his mother. If I want to take care of a child, I would rather adopt an orphan. Thanks for the comment that I am not a gold digger. You are right.
I want someone to be at least - as stable financially as I am, or more ( I would not be jealous ) and I am pretty good thus I am not going lower under any circumstance.
If woman who live with mom and dad can get a financially stable man and she did not achieve financial independency or anything on her own, why should I settle for any less?
Of course he needs to be not just financially stable, he needs to have high moral values, integrity, to be open minded, balanced, educated, wise, mature, good looking, social, artistic, intellectual, he needs to love to cook on a regular bases, and above all - to be compassionate and have a generous heart. Posted by egyptian-guy (Member # 9121) on :
i am everything you are looking for Sharon , i am a single guy with good job and i have a long hair as well , so i guess i am the one Posted by more tea vicar? (Member # 9824) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: i don't agree with you SleeplessInCairo you can't change how u r or how you deal with people you just look for someone who will accept you as u r , treat you nicely and love how u r beside for how long can she pretend what she's not? what if someone like the fake you, then you just turned back to what u really is? just be ur self, use ur head and think be4 u love if you r looking for a man, know the man should be the provider not the other way around. if he's not what u r looking for, then NEXT be4 it even start.
totally agree...........
Many people here are not qualified to offer their advice here. They are in sham marraiges. All I can say is I am very much like you. A giver, of my time and eveything else. This was never returned to me, not that I wanted it but when I needed it it was not forthcoming. It made me reassess my priorites. I never chased money, It never appealed to me. I looked for a soulmate. Someone who was like me in every way. I never found that person. I think that in the west everyone is obsessed with image, of the latest fashion, celebrity. If you find yourself buying celeb magazines, and having to buy the latest gashion, then something is wrong. We are being manipulated by the media, we are being brainwashed into thinking we must have!!! But in reality we dont need all that ****. You will find the people here who have it are the lonliest most unhappy people. Money cannot buy love. My ex husband is exceedingly wealthy, more you can imagine. Bu I did not know this in the beginning, and in the scheme of things it would not have mattered to me. He loved me...........so much............but the spark was missing. I did not fancy him.
I had it but was not happy. My son takes after me, money means nothing to him, he doesnt have to have the latest toy, he is very simple, but one day he will inherit it all. My worry is about the future. About women wanting him for his money. One day when you least expect it your soulmate will find you. Dont go looking, dont worry about all this.........it will happen. The thing is be true to yourself, pick friends wisely. Dont be so much of a giver. I found my soulmate after years of being with the wrong person, crowd. He is wealthy in his own right but he cares nothing about money, he is very spiritual, very understanding, educated, loving and everything that a soulmate should be. We have husbands and soulmates, the trick is to find your soulmate and make him your husband. Then you will find a peace and happiness that some folk here dont have and can only dream about.
One day hopefully you will see what I mean. You will find that person. Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by egyptian-guy: i am everything you are looking for Sharon , i am a single guy with good job and i have a long hair as well , so i guess i am the one
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
More tea,
Well you are lucky. I hope he was loyal and faithful to you ( man of honor and good morals )while he was with you at least. What I did change is that instead of me giving to potential partners, I instead give to strangers ( charity to needy ).
1. They don't know me yet they appreciate it more. 2. I fulfill my duty as a citizen to care about the world as a whole. 3. No problems, no worries, no bad feelings, no hurt on my behalf because I know that charity is more needed to needy strangers than any kind of support to a "healthy adult man" who could not make his life productive.
In other words, I replaced object of whom I am giving, and I am still authentic to myself. Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
I truly believed that human nature of a man will appreciate giving, but I experienced just the opposite effect so I learned the lesson. I also saw that a woman is better off if she never gives to a man - just take, take everything you can even what you don't need, take from him and give to your loved ones too, don't feel sorry, never be so concerned about his finances because that's what they like, they like to be used financially and in any way possible because - the truth is - women know this - men love bitches. ( don't expect them to admit this fact ) When he spends money on you - he likes you more and he sees you as more worthy and valuable because dating or going out with you ( being engaged or married )is not cheap but costs him a lot.
Men only "use" financially and in any way available to them only 1 type of women: Compassionate giving women who understand everything and who mother them 24/7.
I just met a woman a few days ago who changed life of a guy who after he got what he needed told her simply that he wants to go back to his country and marry someone else. This never happened to me personally - but I can imagine her pain and how stupid she felt for giving so much to this idiot and loser. How many more cases not just with man from other countries but with men in your own city who are incapable of providing to themselves. Look around and you will see there are not many single men really who have the basics for the life ( appartment, good paid job, education, car, good background etc ).
Posted by Tibe (Member # 10253) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ':
quote:Originally posted by egyptian-guy: i am everything you are looking for Sharon , i am a single guy with good job and i have a long hair as well , so i guess i am the one
Do we have a match ?????- oh we need some romance and passion inhere to keep the forum in balance...... Posted by imagine (Member # 11591) on :
lol tibe.. bored again today?? i think i will apply to every post today haha :-p
Posted by simpri (Member # 11573) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: a book - called " Twin Souls " - Finding your true Spiritual Partner by Patricia Joudry and Maurie D. Pressman, M.D
I met my best friend and we are exactly like this twin soul thing, only one thing wrong with this is - he's gay:((((
Posted by more tea vicar ? (Member # 9824) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': More tea,
Well you are lucky. I hope he was loyal and faithful to you ( man of honor and good morals )while he was with you at least. What I did change is that instead of me giving to potential partners, I instead give to strangers ( charity to needy ).
1. They don't know me yet they appreciate it more. 2. I fulfill my duty as a citizen to care about the world as a whole. 3. No problems, no worries, no bad feelings, no hurt on my behalf because I know that charity is more needed to needy strangers than any kind of support to a "healthy adult man" who could not make his life productive.
In other words, I replaced object of whom I am giving, and I am still authentic to myself.
Yes I could almost say without a doubt he was faithful. I was too, but whilst he loved me I did not fancy him. I sort of loved him but that was not enough. But I do fancy my new husband. Like crazy and he is the same about me. We are so compatible, as I said money means nothing to me. I walked away from a fortune, it was very easy. I now have love and money. Both mine and my new husbands. Love cannot be bought, it has to be felt in the heart. Dont go looking for money, it wont bring you happiness. Look for someone who makes you feel special each and every day.
I give now to loads of poor folk. There certainly is no shortage of genuinely needy people here in egypt, and that makes me feel good.
As they say 'there are no pockets in your shroud'
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by more tea vicar ?: Love cannot be bought, it has to be felt in the heart. Dont go looking for money, it wont bring you happiness. Look for someone who makes you feel special each and every day.
Hello more tea, you have cool nickname.
How much a man accomplished in his adult age tells a lot about who the person is. Don't you think? I am becoming like those old fashioned traditional folks - who want not to be just happy and in mutual love but married "well" as well, and have a great life together. "Love alone" is not enough. ( Who is going to pay bills? )
I learned, a man can not make me feel special if he has no money to take me out on a date and have enough to pay for my needs, our needs... I live in such a world where money matters and happiness and quality of life is directly connected with it.
One man told me once, ( his g/friend left him for another wealtier man because she grew in poverty and her parents didn't want her to suffer again, he was not rich at all, he was poor as well so she married another one ): "Every person has a right to marry rich if they grew in poverty, people have right to change their future, there is nothing wrong to want to have better life."
I expected him to say - something else, but he did not. He was not angry at her, he understood her. So, at the same time, I don't want to marry poor and lower my standards. I don't want to change my life and work harder but less.
I was not raised to be materialistic yet I live in a materialistic world so I have better quality of life by being with wealtier man who loves me, then with poor man who loves me as much. So you see love would not be excluded. I can't live without Love but money, wealth, education, financial stability is important as much.
Posted by Dalia* (Member # 10593) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ': ( Who is going to pay bills? )
I live in such a world where money matters and happiness and quality of life is directly connected with it.
"Every person has a right to marry rich if they grew in poverty, people have right to change their future, there is nothing wrong to want to have better life."
I don't want to marry poor and lower my standards.
. I can't live without Love but money, wealth, education, financial stability is important as much.
So if you want to lead a comfortable lifestyle the only solution you see is marrying someone with money? What happened to being responsible for your own life? If you want a particular standard of living, if you want to live in financial security, change your life for the better or whatever, then why don't you work on that yourself instead looking for someone else to give it to you?
No offense, but I find this attitude quite strange.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Dalia I am responsible person. I have everything I need, and he needs to have as much as I do but not less. I hope this is more clear. Posted by qu di yu (Member # 11790) on :
quote:Originally posted by more tea vicar?:
quote:Originally posted by Guest Of Life: i don't agree with you SleeplessInCairo you can't change how u r or how you deal with people you just look for someone who will accept you as u r , treat you nicely and love how u r beside for how long can she pretend what she's not? what if someone like the fake you, then you just turned back to what u really is? just be ur self, use ur head and think be4 u love if you r looking for a man, know the man should be the provider not the other way around. if he's not what u r looking for, then NEXT be4 it even start.
totally agree...........
Many people here are not qualified to offer their advice here. They are in sham marraiges. All I can say is I am very much like you. A giver, of my time and eveything else. This was never returned to me, not that I wanted it but when I needed it it was not forthcoming. It made me reassess my priorites. I never chased money, It never appealed to me. I looked for a soulmate. Someone who was like me in every way. I never found that person. I think that in the west everyone is obsessed with image, of the latest fashion, celebrity. If you find yourself buying celeb magazines, and having to buy the latest gashion, then something is wrong. We are being manipulated by the media, we are being brainwashed into thinking we must have!!! But in reality we dont need all that ****. You will find the people here who have it are the lonliest most unhappy people. Money cannot buy love. My ex husband is exceedingly wealthy, more you can imagine. Bu I did not know this in the beginning, and in the scheme of things it would not have mattered to me. He loved me...........so much............but the spark was missing. I did not fancy him.
I had it but was not happy. My son takes after me, money means nothing to him, he doesnt have to have the latest toy, he is very simple, but one day he will inherit it all. My worry is about the future. About women wanting him for his money. One day when you least expect it your soulmate will find you. Dont go looking, dont worry about all this.........it will happen. The thing is be true to yourself, pick friends wisely. Dont be so much of a giver. I found my soulmate after years of being with the wrong person, crowd. He is wealthy in his own right but he cares nothing about money, he is very spiritual, very understanding, educated, loving and everything that a soulmate should be. We have husbands and soulmates, the trick is to find your soulmate and make him your husband. Then you will find a peace and happiness that some folk here dont have and can only dream about.
One day hopefully you will see what I mean. You will find that person.
Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
Very interesting. I am a man with wealth. How do I deduce if the woman is attracted by my wealth or not? I try not to lavish upon a woman, she thinks I am cheap. If I do, I get taken advantage of. What do I do?
@Albino_Eskimo: "When the relationship is young and children are being born & raised what I do in the home he could never accomplish even if he was a multi-millionaire." Could you clarify that? I have friends and family who were better raised by maids than they would have been by their mothers. I am not sure what you mean by your statement? That a multi-millionaire cannot replace a wife with staff? Thanks.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
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Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
Pardon me, Madame; if you find yourself tired it is most polite to excuse yourself rather than snore in the presence of company. Goodnight Perhaps I shouldn't have intruded on the "ladies" parlor.
Posted by Madame M. (Member # 8386) on :
Oops sorry..I must've dozed off after reading yet another thread about utter crap that doesn't pertain to Egypt in the least.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: Very interesting. I am a man with wealth. How do I deduce if the woman is attracted by my wealth or not? I try not to lavish upon a woman, she thinks I am cheap. If I do, I get taken advantage of. What do I do?
How do you look? Are you attractive? If yes, then money makes no difference because there will be always someone who will be attracted to you instantly.
However, if a man is unattractive and he is with hot looking woman, sure we may assume that he is either great in the bed, or he has plenty of money. Not many men and women fall for personality these days. It's either great looks or money, or both.
Thanks for your comment. I wish more men replied. Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: Very interesting. I am a man with wealth. How do I deduce if the woman is attracted by my wealth or not? I try not to lavish upon a woman, she thinks I am cheap. If I do, I get taken advantage of. What do I do?
@Albino_Eskimo: "When the relationship is young and children are being born & raised what I do in the home he could never accomplish even if he was a multi-millionaire." Could you clarify that? I have friends and family who were better raised by maids than they would have been by their mothers. I am not sure what you mean by your statement? That a multi-millionaire cannot replace a wife with staff? Thanks.
Okay I'll try to clarify.
Statement: "When the relationship is young and children are being born & raised what I do in the home he could never accomplish even if he was a multi-millionaire."
Meaning: Its not so much replacing the wife/mother with maid, nurse, staff; as so much as a mother/wife can never be replaceable. It does matter how much money a man/husband/father makes, because being married and being a parent costs money.
The difference is whether the wife is the sole provider (virtually, because many Egyptian men could never provide according to the standards the western wife was raised in). According to my newly Islamist ex-husband, a husband needs to provide for his wife according to the living standard her father provided his household was she was growing up. Hence the extreme difficulty we had while being married. He as being a bad Muslim by expecting me to provide the basics and then some while he played dashing, handsome and opportunistic husband. The more radical he became the more it bother him that he could never measure up to my father's example of a provider.
Truth of the matter is Egyptian men when they marry western their western wives have absolutely no intention to provide the same level of lifestyle their father's had provided for them while raising them.
So in terms of Egyptian income he would need to be well off to be a proper Muslim husband.
Anything less he is a deadbeat.
Which is why we are now divorced.
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: Very interesting. I am a man with wealth. How do I deduce if the woman is attracted by my wealth or not? I try not to lavish upon a woman, she thinks I am cheap. If I do, I get taken advantage of. What do I do?
And this part is a bit more simple.
You don't need to lavish upon a woman, unless you are seriously courting her. In respect to proper Egyptian engagements.
I don't know if you are Egyptian or western or what. If you provide what your ethnic background is and what country you were born and raised in, it would be easier to answer you.
I don't pay for dates, nor do I give out on the first date (no kiss either).
I don't like 4 star resturants, I get dragged to these establisments by my mother for punishment.
So if its romance you are seeking a nice clean, quiet, ethnic, plenty of ambiance, with excellent service in a resturant. A nice long walk along a scenic path, or a boat ride (prefer row boats). Flowers are a plus after the 4th date (on the first it is just asking for sex and don't appreciate the pushiness). I won't meet your mother until I like you. Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother) and that won't happen until I know there is a future with the possibility of marriage on the near horizon (don't want your mommy's approval, I want yours).
Overall, I don't need to know your income until after a marriage proposal. Don't try to flatter me with suggestions of your affluence, it won't match the affluence I grew up amongst so don't bother.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
Very interesting comments. Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
"Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother)"
Brilliant.
As for me, I am Egyptian, though raised throughout Western Europe. I find it distasteful to speak much of personal wealth, but as this forum is anonymous I guess I feel comfortable saying that I was raised among the top 1% of Western wealth. I am doing quite well for myself, and not resting on what past generations have afforded me.
The whole topic is something I struggle with when dating. I do not have any sisters and my upbringing (and life as an adult) has made it rare to have "amor platonicus" with women, so I haven't been really to settle the issue. My mother of course is of the mind that only an Egyptian girl will be suitable, and even then she points out it is likely she will be after our wealth instead of my heart. When I am in Egypt it is even more difficult because the women are more openly interested in marriage, and money plays a huge role in marriage. So I naturally begin thinking that money may be the primary interest. I don't mind paying for dates or outings (even with male friends) but I don't like to feel taken advantage of. I do not like when someone asks to go to a particularly expensive place once they know I am treating. When that happens frequently I just find that I don't even trust the woman anymore. I am very impressed when a woman asks to go to nice place (not necessarily expensive) and then INSISTS on treating me. That makes me much more comfortable with paying. My dilemma isn't that I am not matching my own expectations, but that I don't know how best to figure if a woman is being sincere with me.
"Overall, I don't need to know your income until after a marriage proposal." This line made an impression, but at the same time knowing an exact income often isn't necessary for a person to mark one as "rich" and begin to change their behaviour.
How does a sincere woman behave, generally?
Thanks for the Albino_Eskimo guide to dating!
Posted by Charm el Feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: "Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother)"
Brilliant.
Thanks for the Albino_Eskimo guide to dating!
holly crap!!! where have i been???!!!
the sono guide to dating!!! shitt!! LOL!
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: "Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother)"
Brilliant.
As for me, I am Egyptian, though raised throughout Western Europe. I find it distasteful to speak much of personal wealth, but as this forum is anonymous I guess I feel comfortable saying that I was raised among the top 1% of Western wealth. I am doing quite well for myself, and not resting on what past generations have afforded me.
The whole topic is something I struggle with when dating. I do not have any sisters and my upbringing (and life as an adult) has made it rare to have "amor platonicus" with women, so I haven't been really to settle the issue. My mother of course is of the mind that only an Egyptian girl will be suitable, and even then she points out it is likely she will be after our wealth instead of my heart. When I am in Egypt it is even more difficult because the women are more openly interested in marriage, and money plays a huge role in marriage. So I naturally begin thinking that money may be the primary interest. I don't mind paying for dates or outings (even with male friends) but I don't like to feel taken advantage of. I do not like when someone asks to go to a particularly expensive place once they know I am treating. When that happens frequently I just find that I don't even trust the woman anymore. I am very impressed when a woman asks to go to nice place (not necessarily expensive) and then INSISTS on treating me. That makes me much more comfortable with paying. My dilemma isn't that I am not matching my own expectations, but that I don't know how best to figure if a woman is being sincere with me.
"Overall, I don't need to know your income until after a marriage proposal." This line made an impression, but at the same time knowing an exact income often isn't necessary for a person to mark one as "rich" and begin to change their behaviour.
How does a sincere woman behave, generally?
Thanks for the Albino_Eskimo guide to dating!
Top one percent? Then you'd be a total pass for me. I grew up around old money prefer it to new money and for good reason. There's an old deleted thread in which I basically put someone to shame in a very dispicable manner for this. I won't repost.
I don't like the rich, which is why alot of my classmates parents liked me.
I prefer upper middle class with a good family reputation and history. A few quirky eccentrics in the family is necessary.
What I mainly focus on when determining if a guy is sincere is:
1) Isn't interested in me as a trophy girlfriend or trophy wife. I look the part, but my strong overpowering personality will ruin whatever fantasies they have.
2) Has a strong sex drive but isn't interested in me for primarily sex.
3) "She's a good investment", I don't like this kind of attitude. I don't look at men as a "good investment". If he appears to be able to put up with some of my more obessesive complusive anal retentive habits and extreme socialist views; in addition to be willing to spend a good five years of retirement in solitary confinement of an Alaskan hideout, then he's a keeper. I basically want to see the kids grow up right and start out on the right foot. I am not planning to take anything to the grave nor leave anything for the grandkids. If I manage to have my name on a plaque for anything I will learn to use a focking blow torch to torch my name off.
4) He must be partially socailly mal-adjusted. Partially disfunctional, proud of it and more than willing to voice it on a mountain top. Anyone who claims to be 100% holistically normal I will learn to hate. Because they are full of crap. No one is normal, no one is perfectly mentally sound. My mother used to make me copy out the MMPR (or something close to that acronym, basically a medical dictionary of psychiatric disorders, she was obsessed with it along with any suburban mother). I have learned we are all screwed up.
5) No fricking political or religious conservatives.
Those are my revised requirements. I am from Minnesota we are all this demented.
Posted by Snoozer (Member # 6244) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn:
How does a sincere woman behave, generally?
Man, you have your work cut out for you. Maybe you should focus on women who have similar wealth, or at least really well off, so they aren't slaving for your money? I would not want to be in your shoes. Any clever woman can act sincere until she accomplishes her goal. And that's not sexist, a man will/can do it too.
Good luck.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: "Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother)"
Brilliant. Thanks for the Albino_Eskimo guide to dating!
Brilliant? I hope other "wealthy" men are not having such a low values.
Now , let me ask you this question - have you acquired your 'wealth' by your hard work and education on your own, or you inherited it? Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snoozer:
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn:
How does a sincere woman behave, generally?
Man, you have your work cut out for you. Maybe you should focus on women who have similar wealth, or at least really well off, so they aren't slaving for your money? I would not want to be in your shoes. Any clever woman can act sincere until she accomplishes her goal. And that's not sexist, a man will/can do it too.
Good luck.
And a wealthy man or woman look to slumming it to escape the pressures of marriage. Or they are slumming it knowing they have a history and cannot marry their socio-economic equal.
Or its an easier study than even that. Having more income means power, power over others with less income. And being in a relationship with someone not your equal means you don't have to work on an equal relationship.
Over a few generations this powerplay is played out in the family through really badly matched marriages. Then as the family wealth dwindles a strange glow of wisdome and happiness takes over and the resulting offspring really don't give a damn anyway.
I have too many issues with power, so I'd rather be at my equal.
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ':
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: "Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother)"
Brilliant. Thanks for the Albino_Eskimo guide to dating!
Brilliant? I hope other "wealthy" men are not having such a low values.
Now , let me ask you this question - have you acquired your 'wealth' by your hard work and education on your own, or you inherited it?
And this is coming from a ES username that hasn't dated a guy who has a stable job and his own place?
Sorry I didn't ever consider sexual pleasure fullfillment and mastering of one of the most blessed gifts God has given Man and Woman as a "low value". But I can guess by many of your comments here Sharon that you are Catholic. I am a Lutheran. And a healthy marital relationship requires good healthy sex. Which is the same as in Islam.
Oral sex isn't haram, its an acquired taste for people who are comfortable with their bodies and understand that God wants them to be happy. Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
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Posted by Charm el Feikh? (Member # 10243) on :
quote:Originally posted by ' Sharon Stone ':
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn:
Brilliant. Thanks for the Albino_Eskimo guide to dating!
Brilliant? Now , let me ask you this question - have you acquired your 'wealth' by your hard work and education on your own, or you inherited it?
who cares... will you marry me?
oh, and i mean that sincerely!
Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
@Sharon Stone I said "brilliant" because I thought it was amusing, not because I thought it was a shining example of morality. As for values, as far as men of my affluence go I am the most principled of my peers. That is not to say my values match yours, but you can believe me when I say that if you have an issue with me remarking "brilliant" to Albino_Eskimo's comment you would be appalled by the rest of us Also I had clearly stated that my wealth comes from both estate and my own efforts. My parents are still alive, so I have not inherited a great deal; just what my mother's parents could bequest me upon passing. Tax-free, of course. The rest is my own earning. I was raised among wealth and have been taught to flourish and not squander, so I am not "new money" and do not have the attitudes of that type.
@Albino_Eskimo After reading your response about money being power in a relationship I found myself to be rather naive on that point. I never really considered that if I marry a woman who really loves me there might be an issue of her feeling inequity due to money. I am hoping for a love marriage where we are partners, not engaged in a power struggle. I may have wrongly assumed that a woman would not feel threatened by a man from a different socio-economic background if I made an effort to consistently express that I loved her regardless. I am not one to really flash wealth about, I find it extremely distasteful, and I may have figured that because of that aspect of my personality a woman would not be intimidated by any financial differences.
@Charm Is your love real??? Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn:
@Albino_Eskimo After reading your response about money being power in a relationship I found myself to be rather naive on that point. I never really considered that if I marry a woman who really loves me there might be an issue of her feeling inequity due to money. I am hoping for a love marriage where we are partners, not engaged in a power struggle. I may have wrongly assumed that a woman would not feel threatened by a man from a different socio-economic background if I made an effort to consistently express that I loved her regardless. I am not one to really flash wealth about, I find it extremely distasteful, and I may have figured that because of that aspect of my personality a woman would not be intimidated by any financial differences.
If you think you have the "personality aspects" to ward off this type of relationship friction then that means she won't be a part of your entire life. She'll be a precious item you'll keep in your pocket and bring out only when no one is around. Hence you are not thinking of your peers.
The lover, BF/GF, fiancee, or spouse attitude isn't the killer; its everyone elses atitude.
I have been out of high school 13 years now. I watched junior high and high school sweethearts break up after 10 years of marriage and 3 kids because the "gold digger" status hadn't worn off during that time. Eventhough they had grown up together.
I do have confidants
And Graf_Genn, it sound like you don't have one of these life long loves "gold diggers" so you'll actually have a much more difficult time finding someone outside of your clique who will be able to withstand the abuse.
Take Snoozers advice marry one of your own.
Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
She can still be a part of my entire life because I have friends from all situations. All levels of wealth, all races. My two best friends are middle class and lower class. So my actual friends wouldn't make a problem of it, neither would my family. Business peers, and especially their wives, probably would. That isn't something I really had considered until now, but I have witnessed it a lot. (For some reasons (which seem obvious) wealthy women with poor attitudes are easily threatened when wealthy men are attracted to poor women with healthy attitudes.) Naively I never even considered that it could happen to someone who I was involved with... my colleagues and their spouses are definitely a catty bunch at times. I do not consider them friends though.
In the case of your friends who divorced because the "gold digger" accusation hadn't faded, who was it that instigated the divorce? The more affluent of the couple, or the accused?
Posted by Jamsie Cottar (Member # 9824) on :
Graff
All I can say aside from all the bullshit, is the right girl can be rich or poor. It does not matter which background she comes from.
Is she not obsessed by the way she looks?
Does she not have to have the latest fashion.?
Can she pass a mirror without preening herself.?
Can you talk to her about many different subjects and in depth.?
Is she compassionate?
Is she interested in her world?
Is she an environmentalist?
Is she just as comfortable in combats and hiking boots, as she is in Prada?
Does she read books, I dont mean slushy novels but proper books?
Do her friends trust and love her?
Is she a giver of her time ?
Is she charitable?
Is she affectionate?
Can she be seen in a beaten up old car? and Porche?
Can she walk or have to get taxis because of her stilletos?
Is she kind to her parents?
Is she obsessed by her weight?
Does she have to ski every winter ?
If you sit in a restaurant does she try to catch other mens eyes?
Is she happy to eat in Macdonalds or the Ritz?
Does she make you laugh at least once a day?
Does she tell you she loves you at least 10 times a day?
Does she get off her chair and just cuddle you not for any particular reason?
etc etc etc
I think you get the gist...........
These are all the qualities I will be looking out for when the time comes with my son........
It is a huge problem and I sympathise with you. I hope you find the right girl, who makes you happy.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Albino_Eskimo: And this is coming from a ES username that hasn't dated a guy who has a stable job and his own place?
I See. I was not materialistic ( money was not important to me, but now it is ). Very young people focus on Feelings not on reality of Life.
I did not even thought about him having fency car ( that is actually paid out ), to own his business (that actually works well), a house in the nice area ( not necessarily credit cards, huge morgage, and loans thus huge debt ), furniture ( Ikea is fine with me ), great education ( it doesn't have to be Harvard but good private University ) or anything else. All I cared is if he loves me or not and when will I see him again.
I was not looking for money and financial stability, I was looking for Love and passion and emotional intensities but now I matured so I don't want Love with no Money ( I want both ) , because I changed my views. Men I accountered lately had nothing to offer me except 'sweet talk', and high expectations of what they can get from me. I can't respect a man who wants me to be his Mom, Mrs.Provider or Pamela Anderson.
If my past really matters, I was engaged with very good guys who were well known, popular in my community, respectable, recognized, educated - but that was couple of years ago my dear. One is my ex, we are still in touch yet we have seperate lives - he was all I wanted, he made crucial mistake, we broke up, now he is my friend until further notice. Maybe we direct movie or write a book together ( we talked about it today as the matter of the fact )
Another one I left, I cared about him but he was way more into me and he wanted to marry. I wasn't ready. Maybe I made a mistake, but at that time I did not feel it, so I respected my feelings and he married someone else out of heart brake rather than out of love for her. So that's over too. Both of them were famous and in pretty good shape financially, and they were my best candidates so far. I meet many men who match my criteria but they are usally married and I don't want a married man. My comment about sex and values in dating that you are talking about will follow. Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: She can still be a part of my entire life because I have friends from all situations. All levels of wealth, all races. My two best friends are middle class and lower class. So my actual friends wouldn't make a problem of it, neither would my family. Business peers, and especially their wives, probably would. That isn't something I really had considered until now, but I have witnessed it a lot. (For some reasons (which seem obvious) wealthy women with poor attitudes are easily threatened when wealthy men are attracted to poor women with healthy attitudes.)
Naively I never even considered that it could happen to someone who I was involved with... my colleagues and their spouses are definitely a catty bunch at times. I do not consider them friends though.
In the case of your friends who divorced because the "gold digger" accusation hadn't faded, who was it that instigated the divorce? The more affluent of the couple, or the accused? [/QB]
You are on a learning curve here, good.
But refering to someone was "poor" or "lower" still isn't best form. You could use the term Balady or common classes and still get your point across.
In the case of your friends who divorced because the "gold digger" accusation hadn't faded, who was it that instigated the divorce? The more affluent of the couple, or the accused?
For all the couples I know in this situation it was amicable. The more "common" or "middle class" of the couple is the petitioner (the person who files for divorce) and the respondant (the spouse who is being divorced) is the one who is more affluent.
If the more affluent of the couple were to be the person who files for divorce then its a real nasty divorce, because it would certainly paint the more "common" or "middle class" spouse as a gold digger.
You don't understand this, but it illustrates what part of the learning curve of "political correctness" or just plain class sensitivity you are on.
Because this is the view from the more "common" side of the fence and its a view that must be explained to the more affluent, when its never been explained to them before.
Posted by Demiana (Member # 2710) on :
One of my best friends married a well to do man with a good career. He left her and kids for someone half her age. Since he provided for her and kids during most of their married live, he had to share his money with her after his marriage, especially since they have a disabled child she is taking care of. It left her hartbroken for his treason and she has not married again. And in this case she is culturally his mate, educated and had a good career and income before marriage. They were a good couple and nice friends to be with. Those are to simple assumptions if you advise someone to marry their own kind.
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jamsie Cottar:
All I can say aside from all the bullshit, is the right girl can be rich or poor. It does not matter which background she comes from.
When you are affluent, and your prospective love interest or prospective spouse isn't it does matter what background she comes from.
Its not a black and white issue of whether she/he has money or not.
The economic history of her/his community comes into play.
You are still focusing solely on how people in your clique will perceive her. You haven't begun to focus on how people in her clique will perceive you.
I studied economic history of the USA, and alot of current socio-economic politics that is current is deeply rooted in the entire history of our nation.
A Texan woman who hails from Oil Range and watched some Texans work their rears off to get their oil rigs in the 1950s off the ground and to turn a profit might be abivilant about marrying a high school sweetheart whose family bought out their neighbors and then sold out to Shell or Exxon for millions.
A Minnesotan from the northern mining towns might not be so taken with a metals and polysythentics sales man from LA.
People aren't rich for a reason. Only a certain few can be rich. The rest of us go through cycles adapting to the changing markets and these cycles are created by the rich themselves.
I was lucky growing up. The school I went to was filled with kids with parents from the small farming communities and peppered with children whose grandparents and great grandparents had made their money before 1930 in wheat and lumber. The relationship between farmers and the fat cats of Minneapolis was good for a hundred years before the great depression.
But the two never crossed their blood lines in marriage because of the strong respect.
Over time the trust funds evened out and many of those trust funds were let to charitable organizations while the heirs decided to live normal middle class lives and struggle like the rest of us. Those are the happy ones now. Those are the ones who aren't divorced.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Albino_Eskimo: "Much easier to meet your mommy after I have performed oral sex on you, even better after you have done the same (gives me a sense of power over your mother)"
Sorry I didn't ever consider sexual pleasure fullfillment and mastering of one of the most blessed gifts God has given Man and Woman as a "low value".
Hold on, you said you would offer him oral sex before you meet his mother - so that you could please him, and have a power over her. Did I misunderstand you?
If that's the case, it’s flattering for a man to hear that a woman is ready to sexually please him, but its way too easy, reflects low values, and no self-respect. It also shows that it's used to seduce and control, because you have not said anything about Love, sex is not like a business transaction, or tool to control anyone, especially to gain the power over his mother.
Correct me if I did not get you right. Maybe you haven't meant it that way, but using sex as the power is an issue regardless.
Once you go to this level, if a man loves himself, he would wonder... if he doesn't he would not care. I live in the West, but I dislike western sexuality way too much to be able to settle with a man who wants a woman to be a 'whore' first. (Sorry for my expression)
There is no way I would ever consider or date a man with low morals even if he is filthy rich, because I don't believe that man is entitled to receive an oral sex or sex just because he is dating you.
How can he respect me and more importantly, how can I respect him if oral sex is some kind of dating ritual or expectation. Who says I am obligated to have any sexual intimacy whatsoever - isn't that something that belongs to a marriage or at least long term serious engagement/relationship and out of Love and deep commitment.
Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
What I had wanted to ask was: who was the relationship no longer desirable for. I could add to that: and exactly why? Which party said they wanted a change, not who actually petitioned. I wasn't really concerned about how each person would be perceived in case of divorce, as personally I am more curious about getting to the engagement, to begin with. Besides, prenuptial contracts are the norm.
As for using "poor" or "lower class"... I don't use those terms when I think people will be sensitive about it. I had gotten a certain impression about the frank writing on this board and thought that being frank within the common vernacular wouldn't be offensive. My "poor" friends use the word pretty comfortably. I realize it isn't the best form for others, but definitely didn't think it would offend the people I have seen posting on this forum Posted by Demiana (Member # 2710) on :
The father of another friend was a well to do man from an established family. He married his peer but they were divorced later on since it became clear that he was gay. Life will play tricks on us, however we try to abide with 'rules' that will keep us safe. To me the best thing is to make it myself. My partner is making it too and we go by in life comfortably. Marriage should be an asset to you're personal life. But I do realize that this is a luxury position, so I feel very wealthy.:-)
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: What I had wanted to ask was: who was the relationship no longer desirable for. I could add to that: and exactly why? Which party said they wanted a change, not who actually petitioned. I wasn't really concerned about how each person would be perceived in case of divorce, as personally I am more curious about getting to the engagement, to begin with. Besides, prenuptial contracts are the norm.
Well those are very private details I cannot divulge and won't.
I never listened to divorce rants before either. But now I am starting to listen. Why? Because I now understand that a marriage isn't just between two people. A marriage is deeply affected by people in the lives of the married couple. The community affects the strength of the marriage.
You aren't just managing your marriage, you are managing the people in your life and they all affect your marriage.
I was naive to think that a marriage's strength is solely between a married couple.
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for my ex. He gave me our daughter, made me a woman. I feel his pain. But he doesn't feel mine. Alot of that pain is from outside the marriage. As it is in all failed marriages. Learn from others first before you learn from yourself.
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: @Sharon Stone I said "brilliant" because I thought it was amusing, not because I thought it was a shining example of morality. As for values, as far as men of my affluence go I am the most principled of my peers. That is not to say my values match yours, but you can believe me when I say that if you have an issue with me remarking "brilliant" to Albino_Eskimo's comment you would be appalled by the rest of us
Thanks for explanation.
At first, I was quite surprised that a man would jump so eagerly on offer for oral sex and said it was 'brilliant', but then it only confirmed my belief that most men are that way. I had a topic with title 'why men love and marry bitches' but people here were not ready to talk about it.
Are you still living with your Mom and Dad? I have a feeling you do. Posted by Graf_Genn (Member # 11802) on :
I haven't lived with my parents in eleven years. I went to boarding school (because I wanted to.)
Posted by ' Sharon Stone ' (Member # 5169) on :
So how old were you when you found out that your family is wealthy and that money will never be a problem? How did you feel? What did you think?
Do you think your life was easier, than life of others who had to struggle. Have you ever felt guilty that you have and others don't, and if you buy 3 pairs of shoes, do you ever think or remember a child from Ethiopia or Egypt who doesn't have a drinking water available, not to mention anything more beyond basic needs?
I wonder how that feels to be raised in wealthy family. If you feel comfortable to speak about it, I would like to hear that. Or if you have any other examples, also are you happy? What makes you happy? What possible problems person form wealthy family can have?
Posted by Albino_Eskimo (Member # 11479) on :
quote:Originally posted by Graf_Genn: I haven't lived with my parents in eleven years. I went to boarding school (because I wanted to.)
I did something similar but it wasn't boarding school.
I wouldn't want my child to live away from me in her teens. I'll watch her like a hawk and I'll watch the boys closer.
I wonder if a young boy can teach me to use a sling shot in Egypt, or I'll just hire a young boy.
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