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Posted by ana.fana (Member # 15467) on :
 
Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out. I've met some of the most dishonest people on earth right here in Egypt.

No they don't put a gun to your head and rob you, but they will put a smile on their face, and one hand in your purse.


BE WARNED
 

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Posted by Bastet*Loves*Ptah (Member # 13948) on :
 
Go to sleep.
Obtain REM
enjoy.
 

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Posted by YoungEgyptianGuy (Member # 15064) on :
 
To ana.fana:
shut the f**k up bitch
don't you ever talk about egyptians this way, you piece of **** if you don't like egypt and egyptians get the hell out of here.
you must be a scum in your country that's why you left so don't pretend that you are a princess and that all egyptians are trying to rob you and its so hard to find an honest and good egyptian

F**K YOU!
GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COUNTRY
IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN EGYPT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EGYPTIANS YOU SCUMBAG

F**K YOU BITCH
 

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Posted by Bastet*Loves*Ptah (Member # 13948) on :
 

 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
i am not against u ana.fana but making the wrong choice cant make a whole country bad ppl ,egypt is as anywhere else some good and soe bad , i was stolen in france and my mom in italy and me another time in spain ,doesnt mean that spanish or italians or french are theives
 

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Posted by ana.fana (Member # 15467) on :
 

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:
To ana.fana:
shut the f**k up bitch
don't you ever talk about egyptians this way, you piece of **** if you don't like egypt and egyptians get the hell out of here.
you must be a scum in your country that's why you left so don't pretend that you are a princess and that all egyptians are trying to rob you and its so hard to find an honest and good egyptian

F**K YOU!
GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COUNTRY
IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN EGYPT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EGYPTIANS YOU SCUMBAG

F**K YOU BITCH

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Originally posted by egyptian7:
i am not against u ana.fana but making the wrong choice cant make a whole country bad ppl ,egypt is as anywhere else some good and soe bad , i was stolen in france and my mom in italy and me another time in spain ,doesnt mean that spanish or italians or french are theives

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:
To ana.fana:
shut the f**k up bitch
don't you ever talk about egyptians this way, you piece of **** if you don't like egypt and egyptians get the hell out of here.
you must be a scum in your country that's why you left so don't pretend that you are a princess and that all egyptians are trying to rob you and its so hard to find an honest and good egyptian

F**K YOU!
GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COUNTRY
IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN EGYPT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EGYPTIANS YOU SCUMBAG

F**K YOU BITCH

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Originally posted by masryman:
ana fana and america is honest??

honest to say irak has nukler and it has not and destroy the world is that honest. i want o tell you that you are a metnaka and yes go with your husband from egypt ya bent mayteen el kalb

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Yawn* such old news. Spend your energy on trying to change your own corrupt government...oh yeah that's right you can't, BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH..You get jailed and tortured just for protesting. Go to sleep, loser.
 

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Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :
 
masryman is iraqui??
how he cant even spell iraq
hes messin with yall
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
ana.fana ,its still abt choice ,my mother went italy 4 time ,3 of them she was stolen , doesnt mean 75% of egyptians are bad and cheaters,the problem is that foreigners here dont know abt the egyptian culture well so they hardly differentiate btween good and bad,i dnt think so , i have some foreign freinds ,i never abused them also that doesnt mean that all egyptians dont abuse foreigners ,the problem is always from the 2 sides and bad ppl are every where in the world ,u cant judge a bad person based on his nationality,many tourists comes egypt more than once if they think egyptians are that way they will never do, u r welecomed in Egypt and hoping ur experience will be better and if u need any kind of help u can ask me 4 it , i am an egyptian guy and i am never ever will abuse any nationality on the other hand i am willing to help more a foreigner cuz probably he doesnt have enough knowledge abt our culture
 

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Posted by cbrbddd (Member # 3891) on :
 

 

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Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :
 
i am supprised she has a husband the way she feels!!!
so narrow minded!!
fyi no matter what country yr in there are bad women and men!!
so if ya hate egyptians they y bother being there!!
and fyi where ever yr country is i am betting them egyptian men there are thankfull to god they havent chosen u!!!
now go speak that smack to a real person and see how far u gooooooo.....
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
tina i just think she had lots of bad experience with most of the egyptians she knew but the message to ana.fana not all egyptians are the same ,we say it here not all ur fingers are alike
 

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Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :
 
thats too bad i havent met a bad egyptian yet so good luck to her!!!
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
thats gr8 4 u see anna.fanna everywhere has good and bad ppl jst depend on ur choice and as well some times we trust ppl or like ppl that are bad but we have to learn from that ,tina kamal is american so u cant generalize also that all foreigners hate egypt
 

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Posted by Yes We Can (Member # 6244) on :
 

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Originally posted by egyptian7:
the message to ana.fana not all egyptians are the same ,we say it here not all ur fingers are alike

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Originally posted by egyptian7:
thats gr8 4 u see anna.fanna everywhere has good and bad ppl jst depend on ur choice and as well some times we trust ppl or like ppl that are bad but we have to learn from that ,tina kamal is american so u cant generalize also that all foreigners hate egypt

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Originally posted by cbrbddd:

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
some pplhere need to be invisible
 

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Posted by Tigerlily (Member # 3567) on :
 

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:
To ana.fana:
shut the f**k up bitch
don't you ever talk about egyptians this way, you piece of **** if you don't like egypt and egyptians get the hell out of here.
you must be a scum in your country that's why you left so don't pretend that you are a princess and that all egyptians are trying to rob you and its so hard to find an honest and good egyptian

F**K YOU!
GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COUNTRY
IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN EGYPT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EGYPTIANS YOU SCUMBAG

F**K YOU BITCH

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Why you use such lousy language?

Why is she not allowed to say her opinion?

Why is it everytime something bad gets sad about Egypt Egyptians hit the roof?

Do you seriously think your use of profanities
show a good side of Egyptians?

I am disgusted to read such a rubbish already in the morning!!

If you would have taken even a second to think you would have realized that she did not say that all Egyptians are thieves (stealing literally your wallet etc.) rather foreigners need to be indeed very careful when it comes to prices and who to trust. She does have a very valid point here unfortunately no one likes to discuss.
 

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Posted by 'Shahrazat' (Member # 12769) on :
 
Just a question....
If that's not true I have to go to a ophthalmologist and psychiatrist
I was on computer last night until 2 o'clock as I had too many works to finish and I was checking ES from time to time.
I remember that Ana.fana started the topic, then BLP replied, afterwards YEG sent that post full of compliment , then again BLP replied and asked 'how do you know that I m not Egyptian?'' as the 4th post... At that time, I thought that this question needed to be asked by ana.fana.
And this morning I realized that there are rolling eyes put by PLP instead of that question as the 4th post.
What's happening?? Do I need to go and visit the doctors?
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
lol yes u r right shahrzat lol there is something strange on es
 

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Posted by 'Shahrazat' (Member # 12769) on :
 
Only something??

So I don't need to go the psychiatrist as I have a witness, right?

I also wonder the technique of changing the post.
 

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Posted by ana.fana (Member # 15467) on :
 
Thank you Tigerlily, you understand my point.

I never said all egyptians are bad, so why is this continuously being echoed. I said most of them are dishonest, not only from my experience but the experience of every other foreigner I know living in this country who by the way is not married to an Egyptian, so has no reason to defend their position.

Its ok for women here to speak of their bad relationship experiences, but not ok for expats to speak of other bad experiences which involve distrust.

I did come here with an open mind, and gave people the benefit of the doubt, just as the one who trusted her husband and later discovered he's a con or play boy.

My warning is for people not coming to marry an Egyptian, but maybe to buy real estate, to invest in business, to vacation, etc. DO NOT TRUST THEM SO EASILY.

I feel sad that when I go places, I don't feel like I'm viewed as another human who worked hard to earn a living, but viewed more as a gullible foreigner whose funds are up for takes.

No one will change my mind on here, so all the curse words is ineffective in dealing with the ill that exist in this country.
 

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Posted by ana.fana (Member # 15467) on :
 
My experience:

We have been screwed over so much that we avoid Egyptians all together, sad but true.

We have turned to authorities, only to be extorted by the ones who should solve the situation, this includes attorneys, judges, and police official who wants BRIBES, yes I said the ugly word, BRIBES to do their job. I later understand that this bribing is a way of life for most Egyptian, so yes as Egyptian7 says, foreigners not understanding this culture view this as corrupt, cheating, dishonesty.

If you don't get the point, then you too will be taken for a ride, mark my words.

Use an attorney for your real estate transactions which you are promised completion in 8 months, and 2 years pass no completion in site, attorney disappears along with half of the contractors on the project, but your money is gone. I can go on and on, and I'm not the only foreigners with these daily bad experiences.
 

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Posted by massenburg2008 (Member # 14767) on :
 

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
My experience:

We have been screwed over so much that we avoid Egyptians all together, sad but true.

We have turned to authorities, only to be extorted by the ones who should solve the situation, this includes attorneys, judges, and police official who wants BRIBES, yes I said the ugly word, BRIBES to do their job. I later understand that this bribing is a way of life for most Egyptian, so yes as Egyptian7 says, foreigners not understanding this culture view this as corrupt, cheating, dishonesty.

If you don't get the point, then you too will be taken for a ride, mark my words.

Use an attorney for your real estate transactions which you are promised completion in 8 months, and 2 years pass no completion in site, attorney disappears along with half of the contractors on the project, but your money is gone. I can go on and on, and I'm not the only foreigners with these daily bad experiences.

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Property in Egypt set to be top investment
http://www.aboutproperty.co.uk/news/overseas-property/property-in-egypt/property-in-egypt-set-be-top-investment-$466980.htm

EGYPT IS STILL THE INVESTORS TOP CHOICE
http://www.propertyselect.com/egypt/news/egypt-is-still-the-investors-top-choice/1269
 

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Posted by 'Shahrazat' (Member # 12769) on :
 
And some sane Egyptians accept this.
When I was mentioning an Egyptian friend about a corporation with an Egyptian company, he told me exactly that 'be careful, you know Egyptians can lie easily'
Maybe most of them don't do it with a bad intention, the problem is, they can promise easily without thinking of the facts.

All nations have some characterictics. For example, we Turks, always try to earn a lot of money with affording less energy by using the shortcuts
 

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Posted by massenburg2008 (Member # 14767) on :
 
Business is business. The property prices in Egypt attracts foreign investors. Bribes or no bribes.
 

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Posted by massenburg2008 (Member # 14767) on :
 

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Originally posted by 'Shahrazat':
we Turks, always try to earn a lot of money with affording less energy by using the shortcuts

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Originally posted by 'Shahrazat':
And some sane Egyptians accept this.
When I was mentioning an Egyptian friend about a corporation with an Egyptian company, he told me exactly that 'be careful, you know Egyptians can lie easily'
Maybe most of them don't do it with a bad intention, the problem is, they can promise easily without thinking of the facts.

All nations have some characterictics. For example, we Turks, always try to earn a lot of money with affording less energy by using the shortcuts

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Originally posted by 'Shahrazat':
Just a question....
If that's not true I have to go to a ophthalmologist and psychiatrist
I was on computer last night until 2 o'clock as I had too many works to finish and I was checking ES from time to time.
I remember that Ana.fana started the topic, then BLP replied, afterwards YEG sent that post full of compliment , then again BLP replied and asked 'how do you know that I m not Egyptian?'' as the 4th post... At that time, I thought that this question needed to be asked by ana.fana.
And this morning I realized that there are rolling eyes put by PLP instead of that question as the 4th post.
What's happening?? Do I need to go and visit the doctors?

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You were right Sharazat.

Bastet loves Ptah is an old troll we all know that surely by now

Good command of English/schizophrenic/troll/95% of posts are 'on the attack', in the past when Ptah pops up another id is usually resting although this week the main character is doing something strange. Popping up with Ptah and even more strange 'starting posts'!!! this is new. This member has rarely started posts. They just join in on them.

Elementary my Dear Watson.....

In fact there are 2 members at least!! here on this thread who have 2 different id's
That comes with a 100% guarantee.
 

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Posted by desertgirl (Member # 12450) on :
 

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Originally posted by Kaket el 7o7:

Elementary my Dear Watson.....

In fact there are 2 members at least!! here on this thread who have 2 different id's
That comes with a 100% guarantee.

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I'm so bad at his... I am a very bad detective I guess.
I know 'Spongebob' changed his name all of a sudden and suddenly was a girl when posting songs.
I still haven't figured out who's Peach Sponge Cake. She's nice but don't know who she is.

Anyway; Have a nice day everyone and have fun on ES!
 

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Posted by Kaket el 7o7 (Member # 14248) on :
 
I was Doura/Harankash till I changed to PSC.

I made one so changed my name to one.

But I am talking about this thread.

Ptah is also Ana Fana.

But there is also another one on this thread who uses one name for some posts and the name they are using here for others.

 

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Posted by 'Shahrazat' (Member # 12769) on :
 
THANKS FOR MAKING ME TO FEEL BETTER KAKET

But still don't understand how they replace the posts.
 

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Posted by Kaket el 7o7 (Member # 14248) on :
 
3 ways Shahrzat

1) Admin
2) The original poster editing what they wrote
3) Someone who has hacked the site
 

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Posted by NotSleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
 

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
How to meet an honest Egyptian.

Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out.

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I can't help you there, but if you need domestic or maintenance help let me know because I have a friend who is the sweetest, most honest Egyptian on earth. I'm close to his family (wife, kids, brother etc) and he does all my maintenance work, bringing me labourers when I need them etc and he supervises and makes sure I don't get ripped off. Unless he does something directly for me I have to come up with creative ways to pay him because he refuses money. I usually have to threaten him that I'll not speak to him again, add extra money when I'm asking him to pay for stuff and then refuse to take it back or buy his kids toys. He's a simple, God fearing man and I don't think I would cope without him

If you live in Maadi and want a cleaner I have one also. I can't vouch for her honesty but so far I haven't had problems with her and I guess my Egyptian friend (above) keeps her in check. She's looking for extra work too as she is the provider for her family.

My advice, although easier said than done, is try not to get so angry about this issue. It consumes energy and you'll not change a thing. Egyptian's in general will not offer you sympathy on this because they take it personally. You'll just get the same old "Go back to your own country if you don't like it" speech.

I've been there, am living it and can show you all my t'shirts Me and a friend of mine call them "Egyptian stories" just so we can keep some sanity! She has more stories than I hope I will ever have, she doesn't like it and she CAN'T leave!

"Shall I tell you an Egyptian story....?" lol
 

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Posted by Kaket el 7o7 (Member # 14248) on :
 
NSIC

One thing just struck me after reading your post which I never thought of before.

Back home in our own countries when we have workmen, council people dealing with any type of government office, maids, nanny's etc we in almost all cases get them from some type of company or agency.
Here it is more word of mouth and recommendations.
Most are not attached to companies or agencies.

I have to say that all workmen who came to my house I never thought once about hiding anything or watching them do their job. I opened the door and let them get on with it. Same for checking meters in the house etc. Maybe I was too trusting? but I never once had any problems.

Here you have to have eyes on the back of your head. My husband follows every single person and watches every move they make and he is Egyptian.
It was him who told me you cannot trust them???

I found this quite embarassing to see him watch them constantly but them after a short while I understood why

The point I am trying to make is that here in Egypt if your maid steals from you or your plumber steals tools from your house,flood your home, then what do you do?
You don't have an agency to contact. There is no company to sue. You cant go to the police
If you confront the person they will lie, thats the culture here, so really as hubby said , you have to watch them every step of the way and if you find a good one like you have obviously, you keep them and pass the word on.
Most Egyptians know that we have no recourse, just the same as they dont have any recourse with their own people.
It's accepted that the people will lie and cheat and steal. This is how they feel about each other. Egyptians dont trust each other. So when they go crazy because we say anything, it's quite funny really. They also dont trust each other but dont like foreigners saying anything

What ES needs is a place where you can put details of Good , honest, workmen or women recommended by foreigners.

If the Egyptians here were honest
They would agree that they too don't trust each other.

and as this is a board about Egypt lets not get all stupid and start saying about what happens elsewhere as usually happens.
It's not about elsewhere, we are discussing Egypt on an Egypt website.
 

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Posted by tina kamal (Member # 13845) on :
 
u know walid told me that same thing the other day..
here in usa alot of us take in strangers when there is a crises.
well a friend of mine has a crisis and they need a place to live. and walid has 3 appartments that they do not use cas hes a big mommas baby lol...
i asked him can they stay in my appartment until 5 or 6 months when she can get a job and he can work for u..
walid said no never cas they dont do it in egypt???why is that he said only family can stay??
i said if i was there they would be living with us free...
well walid said if he let them stay there free they can go to court and take his house??
is that true can they just take something if he is helping them out???
in usa u cant cas everyone has a title paper to their own house....
someone explain this to me..
i know in mexico they can steal houses no matter what name is on the paper...if noone lives there someone can just come and live in yr house and basically its theirs now??
 

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Posted by VanillaBullshit (Member # 10873) on :
 
They don't like it when other Egyptians try to point this out, not just foreigners.

The unwritten rule is deny everything and keep on lying until you're blue in the face.
 

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Posted by YoungEgyptianGuy (Member # 15064) on :
 

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Originally posted by masryman:

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:
To ana.fana:
shut the f**k up bitch
don't you ever talk about egyptians this way, you piece of **** if you don't like egypt and egyptians get the hell out of here.
you must be a scum in your country that's why you left so don't pretend that you are a princess and that all egyptians are trying to rob you and its so hard to find an honest and good egyptian

F**K YOU!
GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COUNTRY
IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN EGYPT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EGYPTIANS YOU SCUMBAG

F**K YOU BITCH

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howa da elly kont 3awez a2olo..tol 3omrak ostaz ya YEG we benet3alem mennak kol yom. Ro7 rabenna yonsor deenak

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Dear masryman,

When it comes to Egypt and Egyptians, my own people, **** anyone.

That scumbag is asking how to find an honest egyptian as if the whole nation are thieves and cheaters and liars and trying to steal her money but putting their hands in her wallet!

I wonder if she is that rich and wealthy what the hell is she doing in Egypt man!!!

ana.fana, Go where you belong to Monaco or Las Vegas where the rich and famous hangout! why are you here with the cheaters and poor people who are trying to steal your money and use you!

and again anyone in this forum has to respect Egypt and Egyptians and as long as i am alive i will never allow anyone to insult my country or my own people.

Calling all Egyptian cheaters and theives and its taking you so long to find an honest good egyptian! F**K OFF BITCH, what about a country that it's main policy is based on stealing oil and natural resources from other countries and their president is lying 24-7 about terrorism and weapons of mass destruction just to occupy new lands spending billion of dollars by sending his troops to a destroyed land and killing civilians as well as his own soldiers in search of an illusions! not mentioning their former president who lied too about his sexual affairs!
The only hope is barack obama to change this policy and get that nation to the right track once again and gain the respect of the whole world.

Stay away form Egyptians and dont you ever dare insult them, Egyptians are the origin of this world and while europe and america were living in the dark, the arabs and the egyptians were leading the way back in the 19th century.

**** ES if it was made to insult egyptians and Egypt and **** anyone who dare to insult my own people.

Am i making my self clear!!

We welcome the whole world to visit Egypt and enjoy their time but when it comes to insulting us by saying we are theives and cheaters then go to hell and dont ever come back again.

Theives and cheaters are everywhere, maybe you only attract them, thats why you never got the chance to meet a real honest egyptian.

El tyoor 3ala shkaleha taka3 ya masryman mesh sa7 wala ehh ya m3lm

we saba7 el fol ya man
 

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Posted by NotSleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
 
Kaket el 7o7,

I must admit that when the cleaner comes I put all valuables away! I don't want to test her honesty, rather not cry after the fact if you see what I mean. If she intentionally searches for stuff then she's a thief, if I leave opportunities open for her then I will be the one to blame (according to the logic here).

They don't trust each other but you (a foreigner) can't say a bad word! That could actually be the most frustrating thing!

I have an American friend who would sit and listen to her Egyptian friend bang on about how bad America and American's are and she would feel guilty on behalf of her government - trying to be sympathetic and all - even though her Egyptian friend has never stepped out of Egypt - UNTIL she realised she got zero sympathy when she complained about stuff that happens here. Not to criticise mind, just to vent. When I started telling her some "Egyptian stories" she hit the roof! LOL.. She was like "If that girl says one more thing about America I'm going to expose her to all the sickness she's ignoring!" Oops

I don't allow criticism of the UK from Egyptians anymore unless they are willing to accept their own country's faults ... if anyone tries I remind them about the problems here. We can sit and put the world to rights but Egypt has to be included!

An Egyptian colleague of mine complains about the North African country he lives and works in coz they have zero respect for Egyptians and I smile and say... welcome to expat life - don't complain! Don't like it - LEAVE! lol
 

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Posted by samakwish (Member # 9228) on :
 

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out. I've met some of the most dishonest people on earth right here in Egypt.

No they don't put a gun to your head and rob you, but they will put a smile on their face, and one hand in your purse.


BE WARNED

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive
 

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Posted by YoungEgyptianGuy (Member # 15064) on :
 

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out. I've met some of the most dishonest people on earth right here in Egypt.

No they don't put a gun to your head and rob you, but they will put a smile on their face, and one hand in your purse.


BE WARNED

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This will upset a few people but this is my experience of 4 and a half years of living in Egypt. I lived for 6 months in Luxor, hated it, hated the people, was robbed and cheated on a daily basis. Moved to Hurghada, hated it, nothing but hassle the whole day long. Moved to 6th October City, 3 months ago, I love it - love the people, never had any trouble with anyone.
Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out. I've met some of the most dishonest people on earth right here in Egypt.

No they don't put a gun to your head and rob you, but they will put a smile on their face, and one hand in your purse.


BE WARNED

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This will upset a few people but this is my experience of 4 and a half years of living in Egypt. I lived for 6 months in Luxor, hated it, hated the people, was robbed and cheated on a daily basis. Moved to Hurghada, hated it, nothing but hassle the whole day long. Moved to 6th October City, 3 months ago, I love it - love the people, never had any trouble with anyone.
Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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Its so simple samakwish!
Leave it the world is full of other countries you can always catch a plan and leave!
if you need help getting a plane ticket let me know.
Why do you insist on staying in egypt and suffer on a daily basis for almost 4 years!! Poor you

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Hi, If you are offering to buy me a 'plan' ticket, that is fine by me, just hand over the money
In the meantime, I said I like living in Egypt now, so please read more carefully in the future. Are you from Upper Egypt by any chance.
 

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Posted by samakwish (Member # 9228) on :
 

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
Ever considered the possibility that the problems don't lie with Egyptians... if I hated everyone I met I would be seriously concerned that the issues with people were a little closer to home.

I think is quite clear that it is the Westerners who have problems who give Egypt a terrible name! Not upper egyptians lmao!!!

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive

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Oh it is so nice to feel positive at last. I can interact more with people because they are not expecting anything from me. The whole point is that I could have left Egypt feeling that it was a terrible country and now I don't want to leave, even if YEG wants to kick me out the country.
 

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Posted by YoungEgyptianGuy (Member # 15064) on :
 

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive

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Oh it is so nice to feel positive at last. I can interact more with people because they are not expecting anything from me. The whole point is that I could have left Egypt feeling that it was a terrible country and now I don't want to leave, even if YEG wants to kick me out the country.

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samakwish
you are most welcome and i swear if you asked me for anyhelp i will always be there for you
i just dont like when people call egyptians bad name and generalize and say they put their hands in their wallets and steal and use them!
i love my people and my country is that a crime
and by the way i admit that there are some bad egyptians i was never a foreigner so i dont know how do they deal with you but on the other side i know that there are plenty of good and well educated egyptiansd who need nothing from foreigners and some times thoise eghyptians spend money on foreigners and the foreigners use them for money and papers and everything as i am sure you are aware of that
have a great time and i hope we can get to meet one day and if you need anyhelp dont ever hesitate to ask me
have a great day and enjoy yourtime
i will be heading to zamalek for dinner after work eat my fav pizza ever i cant wait
 

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Posted by Penny (Member # 1925) on :
 

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
Massenburg, the ones that benefit the most from the real estate transactions here are the developers themselves. How so??

They sale off-market plans, meaning the developments are not complete yet, they use the money from the investors, people like you and me, to fund their projects, which often times are not completed on time. As the project nears completion, the prices keep rising, giving the investors a false sense that their investments are appreciating quickly. Once completed, the average man, sees his home on the market for years before he can sell it for what the developer sold it for, then he loses money on realtors, lawyers, etc. only to discover that this developer is building 20 more project all within a few mile radius for the same price he's selling for.

In other words, these projects don't "resale" as quickly as they "presale".

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Ana you could easlily find that out by doing a little market research before investing in any development. I think far to many foreign investors come thinking they are going to make a killing in the property market and they themselves create the bubble and have to take some responsability in the situation. People don't seem to do the same research or take the same care with lawyers signing up for the cheapest one or the easiest option. For goodness sake some people even use the developers lawyer.

My advice to anyone thinking of investing in a tourist resort in Egypt is DONT USE A LOCAL TOURIST RESORT LAWYER . Pay the extra go to Cairo and get a proper professional service,. There are lists of Lawyers on the embassy web sites.

AND BY THE WAY THERE ARE NO HONEST LAWYERS IN SHARM EL SHEIKH and that's not my words but the head of the security police.
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
I much prefer to be in Cairo tbh... I hate the tourist sites. But i hate all tourist sites worldwide! I am not a lonely planet traveller!!! I like to get away from all that.

i can see that YEG is patriotic and fair play on him. Being called a slapper because I was english made me territorial lol...

I am happy that you have seen a side of Egypt that you like.
 

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Posted by NotSleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
 

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive

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Oh it is so nice to feel positive at last. I can interact more with people because they are not expecting anything from me. The whole point is that I could have left Egypt feeling that it was a terrible country and now I don't want to leave, even if YEG wants to kick me out the country.

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I'm happy for you! Egypt is a bit like the little girl who had a little curl right in the middle of her forehead ....
 

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Posted by Penny (Member # 1925) on :
 

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive

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Oh it is so nice to feel positive at last. I can interact more with people because they are not expecting anything from me. The whole point is that I could have left Egypt feeling that it was a terrible country and now I don't want to leave, even if YEG wants to kick me out the country.

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Originally posted by Penny:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive

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Oh it is so nice to feel positive at last. I can interact more with people because they are not expecting anything from me. The whole point is that I could have left Egypt feeling that it was a terrible country and now I don't want to leave, even if YEG wants to kick me out the country.

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I understand exactly what you mean but the point is you stopped living in a tourist resort, I think that is the key factor. Once you get out of the tourist areas and meet 'real' Egyptians it is so different.

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so right Penny i totally agree
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
Penny, so many people want to do things on the cheap and take advantage of Egyptians though and then wonder why they get ripped off. These people deserve it

Worldwide a fool and his money are easily parted.

I am looking into both business and property and there is no way I would part with anything until i know for sure my monies are safe!!! And that also goes for worldwide not just in Egypt!
 

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Posted by love in the Pyramids (Member # 15468) on :
 

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Originally posted by egyptian7:
i am not against u ana.fana but making the wrong choice cant make a whole country bad ppl ,egypt is as anywhere else some good and soe bad , i was stolen in france and my mom in italy and me another time in spain ,doesnt mean that spanish or italians or french are theives

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I am a thief, i have stolen one egyptian heart!!
 

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Posted by NotSleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
 

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
Penny, so many people want to do things on the cheap and take advantage of Egyptians though and then wonder why they get ripped off. These people deserve it

Worldwide a fool and his money are easily parted.

I am looking into both business and property and there is no way I would part with anything until i know for sure my monies are safe!!! And that also goes for worldwide not just in Egypt!

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by samakwish:

Moral of the story, keep well away from Upper Egyptians, they are the ones who give Egypt a terrible reputation.

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I think it's a shared effort, I don't think it's relegated to the Saeedi's. Maybe because 6th October is semi isolated you haven't come across any bad experiences yet. It would be nice to hear if your experiences continue to be positive

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Oh it is so nice to feel positive at last. I can interact more with people because they are not expecting anything from me. The whole point is that I could have left Egypt feeling that it was a terrible country and now I don't want to leave, even if YEG wants to kick me out the country.

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samakwish
you are most welcome and i swear if you asked me for anyhelp i will always be there for you
i just dont like when people call egyptians bad name and generalize and say they put their hands in their wallets and steal and use them!
i love my people and my country is that a crime
and by the way i admit that there are some bad egyptians i was never a foreigner so i dont know how do they deal with you but on the other side i know that there are plenty of good and well educated egyptiansd who need nothing from foreigners and some times thoise eghyptians spend money on foreigners and the foreigners use them for money and papers and everything as i am sure you are aware of that
have a great time and i hope we can get to meet one day and if you need anyhelp dont ever hesitate to ask me
have a great day and enjoy yourtime
i will be heading to zamalek for dinner after work eat my fav pizza ever i cant wait

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That is a nice response thank you.
Here is one example of my good experiences living here. One day I was on the bus daydreaming and went past where I needed to go. Suddenly, I was lost and looking really worried. A guy on the bus who spoke English found a taxi for me and paid the driver to take me where I needed to be. Before he left he said, "Don't give him any more money" - I was open-mouthed and never even had time to thank him properly.
 

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Posted by Penny (Member # 1925) on :
 

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
Penny, so many people want to do things on the cheap and take advantage of Egyptians though and then wonder why they get ripped off. These people deserve it

Worldwide a fool and his money are easily parted.

I am looking into both business and property and there is no way I would part with anything until i know for sure my monies are safe!!! And that also goes for worldwide not just in Egypt!

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Not all people are looking to do things on the cheap. You have to maintain a balance here or it can make problems in the long run. If you pay too much then this will make it difficult for the locals. Maadi in Cairo as an example.....

Most foreigners I know are willing to pay extra but there is and should be a limit. There are also those foreigners who are not getting USD, Sterling or Euro incomes and thus don't have bottomless purses.

Nobody deserves to be ripped off especially when that ripping off comes with a smile and assurance that you are most welcome in Egypt and to consider that person as a brother. This gives you a false sense of security and hurts more than if you had distrusted in the first place. It's a lot more complicated than you're making it out and can only be understood once you live here.

I wish you the best of luck when you get involved with property and business in Egypt and believe me you will need all your wits about you when trying not to be parted with money until you know it's safe..... I think many people living here (Egyptians and foreigners) try to do that but again it's not that easy. As has been said before in this thread, there is no recourse here, it costs you more (in time, headache and money) to try and get your rights, property or money back so what's lost is usually unfortunately lost forever....

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Ah that reminds me...anyone who says he is my brother in Egypt....I run a mile...I don't need brothers like the ones I have had
 

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Posted by NotSleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
 

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Originally posted by Penny:

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
Penny, so many people want to do things on the cheap and take advantage of Egyptians though and then wonder why they get ripped off. These people deserve it

Worldwide a fool and his money are easily parted.

I am looking into both business and property and there is no way I would part with anything until i know for sure my monies are safe!!! And that also goes for worldwide not just in Egypt!

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Not all people are looking to do things on the cheap. You have to maintain a balance here or it can make problems in the long run. If you pay too much then this will make it difficult for the locals. Maadi in Cairo as an example.....

Most foreigners I know are willing to pay extra but there is and should be a limit. There are also those foreigners who are not getting USD, Sterling or Euro incomes and thus don't have bottomless purses.

Nobody deserves to be ripped off especially when that ripping off comes with a smile and assurance that you are most welcome in Egypt and to consider that person as a brother. This gives you a false sense of security and hurts more than if you had distrusted in the first place. It's a lot more complicated than you're making it out and can only be understood once you live here.

I wish you the best of luck when you get involved with property and business in Egypt and believe me you will need all your wits about you when trying not to be parted with money until you know it's safe..... I think many people living here (Egyptians and foreigners) try to do that but again it's not that easy. As has been said before in this thread, there is no recourse here, it costs you more (in time, headache and money) to try and get your rights, property or money back so what's lost is usually unfortunately lost forever....

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Ah that reminds me...anyone who says he is my brother in Egypt....I run a mile...I don't need brothers like the ones I have had

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Me too!
 

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Posted by ????? (Member # 12336) on :
 
I know a former compatriot who immigrated to the US my marriage, something like 25 yrs ago. He likes to chat about his favourite sport (soccer) on the internet in his old language, that's why he is in contact with people from his homeland frequently. Although he isn't a Bush-fan, he gets very angry when we say something negative about Bush. Although he is an immigrant, he also gets angry when w're saying something negative about the US, while it isn't even his homeland!

He feels attacked and insulted by this negative remarks. I think I probably would defend my country when they're saying negative things about our royalty, our bad characteristics, or anything else.

I also feel offended, when people are talking about lying and cheating Egyptians in the intention that it's one big collection of criminals.

Of course we all know that there are a lot of people who are not reliable. But still there are enough people with a white heart instead as a black one. The only issue is to meet them, because they are not the ones who are standing in the frontline to meet Western people...
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
I think cash flashers deserve to get ripped off. I see girls in the UK pay £20 for a cab that costs me £10, if they are willing to pay it more fool them! I do sympathise little with some people.

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

I do have my wits about me that is why I have never been conned.
 

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Posted by NotSleeplessInCairo (Member # 8452) on :
 

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

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I think this is what some try to do (I do anyway) but again it doesn't always work out which can be even worse!

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

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I think this is what some try to do (I do anyway) but again it doesn't always work out which can be even worse!

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

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Slow pace I can deal with (most of the time!). For any dates given to me I usually tack on a few days or weeks for my own peace of mind depending on what it is.

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

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From what I've heard business involves too much red tape and of course you really do need someone you can trust in this area because a lot involves money under the table and documents written in Arabic.

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Originally posted by NotSleeplessInCairo:

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
How to meet an honest Egyptian.

Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out.

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I can't help you there, but if you need domestic or maintenance help let me know because I have a friend who is the sweetest, most honest Egyptian on earth. I'm close to his family (wife, kids, brother etc) and he does all my maintenance work, bringing me labourers when I need them etc and he supervises and makes sure I don't get ripped off. Unless he does something directly for me I have to come up with creative ways to pay him because he refuses money. I usually have to threaten him that I'll not speak to him again, add extra money when I'm asking him to pay for stuff and then refuse to take it back or buy his kids toys. He's a simple, God fearing man and I don't think I would cope without him

If you live in Maadi and want a cleaner I have one also. I can't vouch for her honesty but so far I haven't had problems with her and I guess my Egyptian friend (above) keeps her in check. She's looking for extra work too as she is the provider for her family.

My advice, although easier said than done, is try not to get so angry about this issue. It consumes energy and you'll not change a thing. Egyptian's in general will not offer you sympathy on this because they take it personally. You'll just get the same old "Go back to your own country if you don't like it" speech.

I've been there, am living it and can show you all my t'shirts Me and a friend of mine call them "Egyptian stories" just so we can keep some sanity! She has more stories than I hope I will ever have, she doesn't like it and she CAN'T leave!

"Shall I tell you an Egyptian story....?" lol

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
I think cash flashers deserve to get ripped off. I see girls in the UK pay £20 for a cab that costs me £10, if they are willing to pay it more fool them! I do sympathise little with some people.

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

I do have my wits about me that is why I have never been conned.

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Originally posted by Penny:

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Originally posted by ana.fana:
Massenburg, the ones that benefit the most from the real estate transactions here are the developers themselves. How so??

They sale off-market plans, meaning the developments are not complete yet, they use the money from the investors, people like you and me, to fund their projects, which often times are not completed on time. As the project nears completion, the prices keep rising, giving the investors a false sense that their investments are appreciating quickly. Once completed, the average man, sees his home on the market for years before he can sell it for what the developer sold it for, then he loses money on realtors, lawyers, etc. only to discover that this developer is building 20 more project all within a few mile radius for the same price he's selling for.

In other words, these projects don't "resale" as quickly as they "presale".

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Ana you could easlily find that out by doing a little market research before investing in any development. I think far to many foreign investors come thinking they are going to make a killing in the property market and they themselves create the bubble and have to take some responsability in the situation. People don't seem to do the same research or take the same care with lawyers signing up for the cheapest one or the easiest option. For goodness sake some people even use the developers lawyer.

My advice to anyone thinking of investing in a tourist resort in Egypt is DONT USE A LOCAL TOURIST RESORT LAWYER . Pay the extra go to Cairo and get a proper professional service,. There are lists of Lawyers on the embassy web sites.

AND BY THE WAY THERE ARE NO HONEST LAWYERS IN SHARM EL SHEIKH and that's not my words but the head of the security police.

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Originally posted by ana.fana:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
I think cash flashers deserve to get ripped off. I see girls in the UK pay £20 for a cab that costs me £10, if they are willing to pay it more fool them! I do sympathise little with some people.

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

I do have my wits about me that is why I have never been conned.

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Lucky you, all these years in Egypt, you must be the only foreigner I know that has never had to pay a bribe, and if you did pay a bribe to get something done, then sorry my dear, but you got conned!

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It's ok dear, I never had to pay a bribe either. it pays to have friends in the right places
 

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Posted by ana.fana (Member # 15467) on :
 

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

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Originally posted by ana.fana:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
I think cash flashers deserve to get ripped off. I see girls in the UK pay £20 for a cab that costs me £10, if they are willing to pay it more fool them! I do sympathise little with some people.

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

I do have my wits about me that is why I have never been conned.

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Lucky you, all these years in Egypt, you must be the only foreigner I know that has never had to pay a bribe, and if you did pay a bribe to get something done, then sorry my dear, but you got conned!

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It's ok dear, I never had to pay a bribe either. it pays to have friends in the right places

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LOL, you are "cheeky" indeed/
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 

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Originally posted by ana.fana:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:

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Originally posted by ana.fana:

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Originally posted by cheekyferret:
I think cash flashers deserve to get ripped off. I see girls in the UK pay £20 for a cab that costs me £10, if they are willing to pay it more fool them! I do sympathise little with some people.

Do you guys not have any contacts with people who are honest and willing to help? Surely there must be a network between friends? Everybody knows somebody

I will be sound buying property as we have done it before and we have good links with people. All I find tedious about the whole process it is so slow but isn't everything!

As for the business, I can not envisage me setting one up n Cairo but i could look into perhaps setting up external of Egypt but have the work based there. My brother does so it is not too bad. Egyptian business law does not look too watertight for my likng.

I do have my wits about me that is why I have never been conned.

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Lucky you, all these years in Egypt, you must be the only foreigner I know that has never had to pay a bribe, and if you did pay a bribe to get something done, then sorry my dear, but you got conned!

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It's ok dear, I never had to pay a bribe either. it pays to have friends in the right places

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LOL, you are "cheeky" indeed/

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Oh aye.. I never professed to be anything but. Cheeky has always been my nickname you're pretty cheeky yourself

I have a lot of faithful Egyptian guardian angels...
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
My friend is from upper egypt and he is the one always telling me to not trust an egyptian man. Recently had to go to see my property agent in egypt, my friend came along with me. Usually I find that they speak amonst themselves in office in arabic, however not so this time as my frined was with me. They actually kept getting up and whispering into each others ears, obviously couldn't speak out loud because of my friend. I let this go on for a couple of minuites until I asked why they were doing this and how rude I felt it was. Their explaination was they were talking about somebody els's buisness and didn't want to be overheard! What a joke
 

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Posted by adeptpervert (Member # 15245) on :
 

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:

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Originally posted by masryman:

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Originally posted by YoungEgyptianGuy:
To ana.fana:
shut the f**k up bitch
don't you ever talk about egyptians this way, you piece of **** if you don't like egypt and egyptians get the hell out of here.
you must be a scum in your country that's why you left so don't pretend that you are a princess and that all egyptians are trying to rob you and its so hard to find an honest and good egyptian

F**K YOU!
GO BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY
YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN OUR COUNTRY
IF YOU WANT TO STAY IN EGYPT YOU HAVE TO RESPECT EGYPTIANS YOU SCUMBAG

F**K YOU BITCH

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howa da elly kont 3awez a2olo..tol 3omrak ostaz ya YEG we benet3alem mennak kol yom. Ro7 rabenna yonsor deenak

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Dear masryman,

When it comes to Egypt and Egyptians, my own people, **** anyone.

That scumbag is asking how to find an honest egyptian as if the whole nation are thieves and cheaters and liars and trying to steal her money but putting their hands in her wallet!

I wonder if she is that rich and wealthy what the hell is she doing in Egypt man!!!

ana.fana, Go where you belong to Monaco or Las Vegas where the rich and famous hangout! why are you here with the cheaters and poor people who are trying to steal your money and use you!

and again anyone in this forum has to respect Egypt and Egyptians and as long as i am alive i will never allow anyone to insult my country or my own people.

Calling all Egyptian cheaters and theives and its taking you so long to find an honest good egyptian! F**K OFF BITCH, what about a country that it's main policy is based on stealing oil and natural resources from other countries and their president is lying 24-7 about terrorism and weapons of mass destruction just to occupy new lands spending billion of dollars by sending his troops to a destroyed land and killing civilians as well as his own soldiers in search of an illusions! not mentioning their former president who lied too about his sexual affairs!
The only hope is barack obama to change this policy and get that nation to the right track once again and gain the respect of the whole world.

Stay away form Egyptians and dont you ever dare insult them, Egyptians are the origin of this world and while europe and america were living in the dark, the arabs and the egyptians were leading the way back in the 19th century.

**** ES if it was made to insult egyptians and Egypt and **** anyone who dare to insult my own people.

Am i making my self clear!!

We welcome the whole world to visit Egypt and enjoy their time but when it comes to insulting us by saying we are theives and cheaters then go to hell and dont ever come back again.

Theives and cheaters are everywhere, maybe you only attract them, thats why you never got the chance to meet a real honest egyptian.

El tyoor 3ala shkaleha taka3 ya masryman mesh sa7 wala ehh ya m3lm

we saba7 el fol ya man

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Thanks for standing for your country man.
Bear in mind that she is not fully immersed in the culture here also not all the american support thier government's foriegn policy.

ana.fana
Do yourself a favour an hire american honest people or leave that country.Don't forget you enjoy many priviliges here like cheap oil ,electricity and many many more cheap things.
 

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Posted by masryman (Member # 15463) on :
 
yes and also americans and europeans in egypt are not the best. they are one who have nothing in there countires and come to egypt and make money and think they are kings when they are workers. work to teach in egypt and if in their country the ywill be cleaners or anything. we make them feel they are king or queen because of blonde hair and eyes and they r more stupid than egyptians. ana fana kos omek. ya3ni be kos omohom e7na bengebhom wene3melhom ban2dmeen zay el modarebeen el wa23een elly bengebhom wey2olak el khawaga

Khawaga khawaga and the khawaga is a cleaner in his country who is stupid and come to egypt become a king..Khwaga..a7a ya balad..
ana fana one more kos omek

ana fana give us your phone number and your husband work and we will help you ya kos omek. we will help you get out of egypt
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
FACT Egyptians DO have a bad reputation for deceit. This is not to say it is not happening all over the place. It is just that there are sooo many of them in egypt doing it blantently under your nose. The way they even try to do it sometimes is simply laughable. Sadly their need for money is greater than their need to be honest. No money, no food. But I do think it very unfair to brand everyone the same, there is good and bad everywhere in the world. I know some very honest and respectful egyptians.
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
I know more good guys than bad guys.

Deceitful people walk amongst us no matter which country you are reading this in.

SB, I was always paranoid I was being spoken about in Arabic and that I was being laughed at etc...so I took an Arabic course and now I know it really was just paranoia lol... I am not fluent but I can pick out operative words.
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
Cheeky are you reading my mind!
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
from my experience with foreigners here whether they love the country so much feel its home and wanna spend here all the life or waiting for the fucking day to leave egypt and not come ny more , i think 4 me to travel and livein another culture is avery good challenge that will add me and u can always have fun at any place
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
SB... seems so.

Egyptian7 living in another culture is an amazing and fun challenge. Maybe it is a make or break scenario but I always admire those who give it a go.
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
4 me i would love knowing and dealing with all cultures in the world and how to avoid bad ppl and adapt in a new culture while at the same time keeping ur values
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
I'm banking on my egyptian friends being the good guys, I am thinking of making the move to go to egypt for a while. I feel if I'm gonna, better I make the mistake now than regret it for the rest of my life.
 

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Posted by egyptian7 (Member # 12215) on :
 
sherribaby u r more than welecomed and i hope it ont be a mistake but it will be new experience that add 4 ur character and experience in life
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
Egyptian7 thanks for that.
My head and my heart are for now in egypt. I would not be considering this if I didn't believe that there were a few good egyptians there.
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
Egyptian7 - adhering to another culture yet keeping your values is very challenging but if you meet the right friends you will learn to respect each others feelings. My egyptian friends never question my faith or values so I never question theirs. It is very simple.

Culture can be adapted to so easliy if you are open to accepting change, I know people in the UK who hate change in their own workplace let alone society!!! You have to want to accept changes to appreciate them.

SB, I will be starting my new life 5 weeks tomorrow whether I succeed or fail on my journey I don't care, I have to at least try! Life is too short for regrets. My head and heart are also in Egypt and I would be a fool to not listen to them.

SB, I am so glad you haven't been brainwashed into believing that all Egyptians are the devil in disguise, of course there are good egyptians. To think any differently would be foolish... I really hope you follow your dreams.
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
Cheesky OMG you are starting new life in egypt soon. Lucky you, GOOD LUCK. Where in egypt are you going to be living?
Just hope I can get everything sorted here in UK as I want quickly.
Have a much stronger head than you think, I could never be brainwashed!
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
Ooops sorry Cheeky not Cheesky
 

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Egyptian7 - adhering to another culture yet keeping your values is very challenging but if you meet the right friends you will learn to respect each others feelings. My egyptian friends never question my faith or values so I never question theirs. It is very simple.

Culture can be adapted to so easliy if you are open to accepting change, I know people in the UK who hate change in their own workplace let alone society!!! You have to want to accept changes to appreciate them.

SB, I will be starting my new life 5 weeks tomorrow whether I succeed or fail on my journey I don't care, I have to at least try! Life is too short for regrets. My head and heart are also in Egypt and I would be a fool to not listen to them.

SB, I am so glad you haven't been brainwashed into believing that all Egyptians are the devil in disguise, of course there are good egyptians. To think any differently would be foolish... I really hope you follow your dreams.

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Great post.....life is too short to have regrets. If it feel right for you then go and do it. Wish you all the best cheekyferret with your new life.
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
Thank you Miss Sharm...

All I know is I want to regret the things I did do and not the things I didn't. Only I have the power to change and improve my life and I feel that this journey is exactly what I need to make me feel alive

I have heard a lot of late from people that i tell what I am doing 'I wish I could do that' I have to explain to them that they can if they really want it badly enough

MS,this feels so right at this point in my life and i am so grateful I have this opportunity.

But, if it goes pear shaped, what of it!!! I will fly back to blighty and move to Brighton and spend my days living in plan b D

I have learned we make our own destiny, we pave our own futures and we alone are the only people who can make ourselves truely happy... I only hope you guys have the chance to live whatever dreams you have

I also hope that people aren't deterred by other people's words. Life is what you make it Crikey, if you wanna rainbow you gotta have a little rain. I am sure we all have a story but it is what you do with it that makes you who you are

Wow.. I woke up in hippy mode
 

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Posted by Kaket el 7o7 (Member # 14248) on :
 
46.5% of the thieves caught in Mecca were Egyptian moslems


Study Reveals Startling Statistics About Thieves
Badea Abu Al-Naja, Arab News


MAKKAH, 30 November 2007 — A recent study concludes that nearly a fourth of pickpocket crimes in the two holy cities are committed by people who are in the cities solely for the purpose of stealing from pilgrims or are pilgrims themselves who are supplementing their trips by theft.

The report, entitled “The Psychological and Social Impact Pickpockets Have on Pilgrims,” was the result of research by Mahmoud Kasnawi of the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques’ Haj Research Institute with the aim of developing strategies to protect pilgrims from such crimes.

The study concluded that 17 percent of the pickpockets in and around the mosque complexes at Makkah and Madinah are there for the sole motive of stealing while 16.5 percent are the pilgrims themselves. The rest are opportunists that steal when the chances arise but aren’t pre-meditating these criminal acts.

The study also contends that 46.5 percent of the pickpockets arrested at the Grand Mosque in Makkah were Egyptians .


About one in five people that have been arrested for pick-pocketing are women


. About 14 percent of the pickpockets sleep in the Grand Mosque or on the pavements, bridges and tunnels, the study said.

The report underscored the need to minimize the sense of insecurity and loss of mental peace caused by the acts of pickpockets on the pilgrims.

Some gangs use children under the age of 15 to steal from pilgrims. Teenagers account for a third of the pickpockets.

Another finding of the study was that 10 percent of the pickpockets have been for Haj more than once, possibly encouraged to return because of the money they stole during the previous pilgrimage.

The study also said 84 percent of the arrested pickpockets were married while 67 percent of them had their family with them.
While 86 percent of the pickpockets traveled to the Kingdom on their private earnings, the remaining stole the money to pay for the travel expenses.

The study noted that most of the thefts take place close to Kaaba at the time of tawaf (circumambulation) to take advantage of the heavily crowded conditions and the fact that pilgrims often carry with them their valuables.


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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
What percentage of the pilgrims are Egyptians?

If you search for the bad you will find it, ironically if you search for the good you will also find it.

Sadly only this kind of story reaches the news. Good news is no news... that is becasue no one cares about good news!!! This story would sell newspapers....

Does this story imply that 46% of Egyptians are theives? Of course it doesn't! If it does which one of you on this threasd is the theif?

That is how easy crap could be inteprted if people were easily fooled. It merely implies that Egyptians have the most available opportunity to go and steal, if Mecca was closer to london it would have had 53% of Brits stealing!!! (I dis-trust Brits more having been burgled and mugged!!)

It may imply that in the Muslim world that Egyptians are the most open to crime but could that also then imply they are the most poor?

Luckily I never take any story on face value and like to read into them a little so that I do not automatically adopt others opinions and get the chance to form my own.

Interesting read though, it would be nice to have a follow up from an Egyptian who has resorted to crime to explain why they do it.

Now my pyschology head rears...

I know this may come as a shock but I think crime is also global... that may just be a rumour.

What is the most crime filled African country, is there a list?
 

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Posted by Kaket el 7o7 (Member # 14248) on :
 
I am trying to find quotas for hajj and will post them if I can find them.

There are approx 200 countries in the world.

If there were say even 100 crimes committed in Mecca.

47 of the crimes were committed by Egyptians

53 of the rest of the crimes would be split between the remaining 199 countries.





You are comparing crime figures?

How many crimes do you think are reported in African countries?

Egypt for that matter?

Not that many


Poverty is not an excuse for theft.

Well not in my book anyway
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
if 200 coutries sent 300,000 people but 25% are Egyptian then correlatively speking the odds of Egyptians being the most prominent in any study is viable lol... I do like to look in the variables of statistics.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics

Poverty is not an excuse but it can be a reason. I have lived in poverty stricken places and hunger can make people do awful things. Thankfully Egypt is not as bad as many impoverished, famine stricken or third world countries but many Egyptians are poor. I don't know what would make somebody steal from another person...

I wish I could change the world!!!

Crime in Ghana was so prevalent I could trip over it somedays!
 

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Posted by Kaket el 7o7 (Member # 14248) on :
 
Crime in Ghana was so prevalent I could trip over it somedays!

I can imagine

I have to say though that reading lately about the crime in the uk, the knivings , muggings, the hoodie culture, I would rather be robbed by a bazaar man in Luxor than walk down the road with a few teenage hoodies behind me in London

I cant bear to watch the news anymore from the UK.
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
I was actually focusing on Africa but crime in th UK is awful. Not just the volume but the actual crimes are becoming more and more sadistic and for such small rewards.

Revenge and anger are reasons for stabbings. Knife crime is scary.

Hoody culture IMO is not as bad as people make out IMO, well not in my town anyway and I actually have a hoody on now?

I feel England is a very volatile and hostile place right now and something has to change! I feel a lot safer out on my own in Cairo.
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
My son rently got beaten up walking home from his friends house in the evening.
The mugger told him he didn't like the way he looked at him when he passed him by.
My son has never had a fight in his life, he is not a trouble maker. This obviously broke my heart. All I can think is thank god this young man was not carrying a knife. This event could have hada completely dif ferent outcome if he had been.
I live in a very small town with usually very little trouble. VERY SCAREY
So when I read discussions about bad egyptians I really cannot help but look closer to home. There really is good and bad everywhere you look.
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
OMG SB... that is awful I am so sorry. How is your son? I really hope he is ok. Random attacks are so scary! what did he take? Scum SB, it revolts me!

I just saw the front page of a trashy newspaper getting a petition together to combat knife crime! What on earth is happening to the world???
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
He didn't take anything, but stopped my son and just said he didn't like the way he looked at him. He then punched him to the ground and knocked him around. My son now is fine, but it is the psychological impact it has had on him, he is freightened of going out now. The other man told him he would 'kill him' next time he saw him.
I went to the police but they said there was nothing they could, it was just reported as another 'incident.'
Everyday it breaks my heart to think this has happened. My son is presently in USA with his father, but feel the time is now right to re-evaluate the life we have known. I am disguested with what is happening here in Britain at the moment.
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
Isn't it strange, how simetimes we spend our lives worrying about the decisions we have to make about one thing or another.
I really am a believer in fate. Sometimes things happen for a reason and clear the fog from the mist.
T
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
My house was burgled about 15 years ago and for months and months I could not sleep, every noise scared me and I was becoming ill. the police said there was nothing they could do! (shock) The impact crime has on people is awful and I am disgusted that people care so little about those around them.

I really hope time will help your soon.

I believe all things happen for a reason but I also believe in what goes around comes around so lets just hope this guy who attacked your son breaks an arm on his next victim, loses his job and lives in freaking skip like he deserves
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
yes I'm a believer in what goes around comes around.

I can tell you I'v too been burgled - twice - and I don't even have anything worth taking.

I'v had items stolen from my garden bikes etc. Everytime I'v had to do the detective work to get some of the stuff back.

I'v even been known to gain entry into a drug addict's house whilst he was out to reclaim my son's bike, which was propped inside his doorway. That one was a bit unnerving, but I think I'd do it again. Hope not too many people reading this.

Call me Sherlock!
 

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Posted by Dawn-Bev* (Member # 15190) on :
 
OMG sherribaby, thats terrible



my son's 15 - its relatively quiet around here, but you just never know .............

I'd like to leave the UK for good -
I did leave in 1978 and came back in the 1990s

people always ask me if I'm not afraid of working and travelling Israel, Egypt, Syria, lebanon, morocco etc - and the answer is no - I felt safer walking around Beirut by myself

there certainly are some evil basta*** around -
hope they get what they deserve

you can understand vigilantism
 

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Posted by yorkshire rose (Member # 12072) on :
 
God you was brave.
 

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Posted by sherribaby (Member # 15378) on :
 
The word is not brave - trouble is I'v always been very strong minded and will do what I think is right, no matter what others say. I had no choice, I knew where the bike was and the police would not help.
 

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Posted by EnJoY (Member # 12020) on :
 
The U.K has a weak stance on law enforcement due to extremely liberal policies which protect the rights of the criminal more so than the rights of the victim.

Robberies and burglaries in particular occur at a far higher frequency in the U.K than in the U.S; though the U.S leads in gun related crimes and murders.

I remember reading about an incident that happened in the U.K, where a man shot a burglar that had entered his house. Not only was he arrested for having the balls to defend his property, but I think he was made to pay legal damages to the burglar for shooting him!

Stuff like that ensures that I would never live in the U.K again. That country is far too soft for my liking.

Any man that enters my home with the intent to steal, is going to get a bullet lodged some where in his body.

~EnJoY
 

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Posted by viewable (Member # 6331) on :
 

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The U.K has a weak stance on law enforcement due to extremely liberal policies which protect the rights of the criminal more so than the rights of the victim.

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I remember reading about an incident that happened in the U.K, where a man shot a burglar that had entered his house. Not only was he arrested for having the balls to defend his property, but I think he was made to pay legal damages to the burglar for shooting him!

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Where is the rest of the story? Was the man in danger? Did he have to shoot him? Did he have time to call the cops? Could he have left the house or was he protecting his family?

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This was the cause of so many debates down the pub!

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This was the cause of so many debates down the pub!

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This is a similar case, but I don't think it's the exact one I was referring to.

Ironically though, a situation like this happened in Texas recently, except that a man shot and killed two men that were attempting to burglarize his neighbor's house.

So it wasn't even his own house that he was protecting.

In the end, he was cleared of charges

Click here to read story

~EnJoY
 

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Posted by viewable (Member # 6331) on :
 

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If the British Government won't even recognize the right of a man to defend his property, then how else do you interpret it Auto?

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Luckily we here in America think differently, as the Constitution gives us certain rights which prevent the Gov't from taking away our ability to own a gun, and to defend ourselves.

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This was the cause of so many debates down the pub!

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Was he defending himself? The law is not designed to protect the criminal but to prevent trigger happy psychos from shooting everything that moves.

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The operative word here is defend.

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This guy should've been jailed for life or better yet, hanged.

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Was he defending himself? The law is not designed to protect the criminal but to prevent trigger happy psychos from shooting everything that moves.

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Again, I don't remember the specifics, but what difference does it make whether you're defending yourself, your property or even a complete stranger?

What if you were witnessing a violent assault where some one else's life was in jeopardy?

You have a gun.

Do you shoot the attacker?

Maybe, or maybe not.

All I know is that shooting the attacker in the U.K might possibly land you in jail.

In Texas, it would make you a local hero.

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The operative word here is defend.

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It is very simple. You are allowed to use lethal force to defend yourself or others but not property. You can do so if you or whoever is in danger are unable to avoid harm. So if you can hid or run, that's what you should do. If you can call the cops and wait for them then that is what you should do. But you don't have a license to go around shooting criminals.

In any case, I gotta go. I'm going down to the range to fire a few shots
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
I don't believe he should have shot them but I can understand why he did. simply the lads should not have been there to have been shot in the first place!

They were not stealing because they were hungry or poor, our Goverment throws money at people like that they were stealing because they are scum!

I do not agree with allowing every jack$hit on the sreet a gun either to 'defend' themselves as some people are too stupid to chew and walk at the same time never mind be able to make conscious decisions regarding eliminating people!
 

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Posted by manx (Member # 14517) on :
 
if anyone invades my home, they take a chance enough said
 

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Posted by cheekyferret (Member # 15263) on :
 
It was a tragedy of errors. Fourteen-year-old Matilda Crabtree was just playing a practical joke on her father: she jumped out of a closet and yelled "Boo!" as her parents came home at one in the morning from visiting friends. But Bobby Crabtree and his wife thought Matilda was staying with friends that night. Hearing noises as he entered the house, Crabtree reached for his .357 caliber pistol and went into Matilda's bedroom to investigate. When his daughter jumped from the closet, Crabtree shot her in the neck. Matilda Crabtree died twelve hours later.

I read this extract in a book last year called 'Emotional Intelligence' ... it detailed the families grief but this story highlights to me what horrors can happen when people react impulsively. He thought he was protecting his family, instead he destroyed it.
 

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Posted by weirdkitty (Member # 15365) on :
 
What is more important- material things, or a human life?!
Seriously, I would sooner have my whole house robbed, than have me a murderer. A life is more important then the biggest TV, laptop, jewellery, etc.

I forgot that actual statistics, but someone who owns a gun is more likely to be shot. I am personally proud to live in a country with gun laws- I’d prefer the thugs to have knives than guns. I feel a lot safer not having a gun under my bed. And hey, if worst comes to worst, I have a collection of swords in my bedroom
 

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Posted by manx (Member # 14517) on :
 

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What is more important- material things, or a human life?!
Seriously, I would sooner have my whole house robbed, than have me a murderer. A life is more important then the biggest TV, laptop, jewellery, etc.

I forgot that actual statistics, but someone who owns a gun is more likely to be shot. I am personally proud to live in a country with gun laws- I’d prefer the thugs to have knives than guns. I feel a lot safer not having a gun under my bed. And hey, if worst comes to worst, I have a collection of swords in my bedroom

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This was the cause of so many debates down the pub!

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Posted by Adoula (Member # 2346) on :
 
I have no bias agiainst Egyptian or western men or women. It is all about the person himself regardless, but in my subconscious I am so aware of my Egyptian culture.

Some Egy men believes that marrying a western women is salvage from some many pains (U know unemplyment, immigration, Egy pride asking for an apartment...etc.)

In so cases, they play this dishonest game to attract the future wife that will solve all the above mentioned problems, they say they marry because they found “the suitable” wife. It is the easiest recipe for marriage failure or he marries a woman because he has a crush on her or just being infatuated by her but not because he experienced true love.

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Does anyone know? I'm dying to find out. I've met some of the most dishonest people on earth right here in Egypt.

No they don't put a gun to your head and rob you, but they will put a smile on their face, and one hand in your purse.


BE WARNED

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