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rasol
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Finding the roots of modern humans
DNA study may reveal who we are, where we came from
By Marsha Walton
CNN

Wednesday, April 13

Spencer Wells meets with residents of Pate Island, off Kenya's coast, to explain the project.

(CNN) -- "Genographic" is not showing up in many dictionaries yet.
But two global institutions, IBM and the National Geographic
Society, hope the idea it conveys becomes well known in every corner
of the planet.

The Genographic Project, launching Wednesday, is a five-year genetic
anthropology study designed to chart the migratory history of
humans, and help fill in the blanks of how and where people moved to
populate the planet.

Population geneticist Dr. Spencer Wells, an explorer-in-residence at
the National Geographic Society, is director of the project.

"Genetics, I think, resoundingly has answered the question of where
we ultimately came from, we came out of Africa. And we came out
quite recently, within the last 50 or 60 thousand years," Wells said.

"But the question of how we migrated around the planet, how we
populated the world, in effect, is still an open one."

Wells has spent the past 15 years studying population migration,
gathering about 10,000 samples from around the world.

But he says people today move faster and farther from their roots
than ever before, complicating the job of scientists and in
effect "blurring the family tree."

"And the goal is to sample DNA from people all over the world, both
indigenous populations and the general public," Wells said.

"We want everybody to have a chance to participate in this, because
it is really the story of all of us, that's what we are trying to
figure out."

IBM is involved in processing the massive amounts of data that will
be generated when scientists around he world begin gathering DNA
cheek swabs and blood samples.

Dr. Ajay Royyuru, senior manager for the Computational Biology
Center at IBM's Watson Research Center in New York, explains the
pairing of "genome" and "geography."

"The genome we all carry is the best record. It actually carries the
information of each of our ancestors. And as we uncover the markers
in the genome, we are able to tell, who your ancestors were and
where they possibly come from," he said.

Critical to the study will be DNA samples from indigenous people,
distinctive and unique populations who have long inhabited certain
geographic areas.

Royyuru says it is important that scientists from the beginning
approach these people, many in remote areas, with care.

"The participation of individuals, in any exercise, requires that
you respect who they are, what they are, and the reason why you want
them to participate. And you make sure that what you give them back
is of value to them, which is exactly what we are trying to do with
the indigenous populations and the public at large," Royyuru said.

The study is also counting on people around the world who have a
keen interest in their own ancestors to take part.

Millions of people are using the Internet to connect with relatives
around the world, using a variety of genealogy programs.

The Genographic Project could take that a step farther, adding DNA
details to the available information.

Those interested will have to make a serious investment, $99.95 plus
shipping and handling, for a "participation kit." It includes a DVD
and brochures detailing the five-year global study, plus a cheek
swab kit that individuals send back to the study with their own DNA.

Project officials say these tests will be stored anonymously, but
individuals will be able to track details about themselves using a
number assigned to each kit.


The DNA samples will be gathered from cheek swabs collected from
participants around the world.
"You will be able to see, for example, right off the bat if you are
in a particular genotypic group, and where is the population of that
particular genotypic group in the world today, and what we think are
the ways in which this population ended up in this location in the
world. And as this data grows, we will be able to make this map, and
this journey and this detail richer in content," Royyuru said.

Wells says the project has assembled a "dream team" of scientists,
from Moscow to Johannesburg to Adelaide to Paris and Beirut.

Besides the population experts, scientists from many other
disciplines will be adding context to the DNA information. One
researcher will focus on ancient DNA, studying skeletons hundreds,
even thousands of years old.

"So what we can answer [as geneticists] is questions about biology,
about biological ancestry. But to make any sense of that
historically we have to contextualize it -- the archaeology, the
linguistic pattern, even the climatology," Wells said.

"So it really is a synthetic effort to understand our common past." http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/04/12/genographic/index.html

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Dr Spencer Wells, Harvard evolutionary geneticist:

There is more genetic diversity in any single African village than in the whole world outside Africa, which proves that the world's entire non-African population must be descended from a relatively small sub-set of Africans. There isn't as much non African diversity because there wasn't much genetic material to begin with. But Africans are descended from a far larger population, providing greater genetic diversity. - South Africa Sunday Times.



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Thought Writes:

Here is how Dr. Wells characterized E3/PN2 in the study on the origins of the Phoenician's in Carthage:

"Most men living in the area surronding Carthage before the Phoenicians arrived should probably have carried variations of the M96 (PN2), which is the aboriginal type in North and West Africa."


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quote:
Originally posted by rasol:

But he says people today move faster and farther from their roots than ever before, complicating the job of scientists and in effect "blurring the family tree."


So much for vain efforts to create sub-species of humankind in all its form, the obvious idea behind which, was/is mainly rooted in upholding social prejudice that benefit one group over another, and not in scientific rationality.


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Isn't that what you do here super car...all you talk about are blacks. Looks you are playing the game to.
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quote:
Originally posted by Thought2:
Thought Writes:

Here is how Dr. Wells characterized E3/PN2 in the study on the origins of the Phoenician's in Carthage:

"Most men living in the area surronding Carthage before the Phoenicians arrived should probably have carried variations of the M96 (PN2), which is the aboriginal type in North and West Africa."


Indeed....

No more than 20 percent of the men we sampled had Y Chromosomes [J] that originated in the Middle East. Most carried the aboriginal North African M96 [E3] pattern. - Wells.


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quote:
common root of PN2 clade Y chromosome as shown....

E3a --- SRY10831.1, M42, M94, M139, M168, P9, M145, M213, Yap, SRY4064, M96, P29, P2, DYS391p, M2, P1

and...

E3b --- SRY10831.1, M42, M94, M139, M168, P9, M145, M213, Yap, SRY4064, M96, P29, P2, DYS391p, M35

Note the degree of genetic difference between R1 and PN2 clades E3a and E3b

R1 --- SRY10831.1, M42, M94, M139, M168, P9, P14, M89, M213, M9, M45, M74, P27, 92R7, M207, UTY-1, M173.


R1b:
M94 ? In Africa

M168 50,000 Out of Africa -> Africa->Middle East

F(M89) 45,000 Middle East->South West Asia

K(M9) 40,000 South West Asia->North Central Asia

P(M45) 35,000 North Central Asia->North West Asia

R(M207) ? In North West Asia
R1(M173) 30,000 North West Asia->Europe
R1b(P25) ? In Europe


E3 (PN2):

M94 ? In Africa
M168 50,000 Africa->Middle East
M145 ? ?
E(M96) ? Africa
E3(PN2) ? Africa
E3b(M35)26,000 Africa
E3a(P1) ? Africa

[This message has been edited by rasol (edited 14 April 2005).]


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quote:
Originally posted by Super car:
So much for vain efforts to create sub-species of humankind in all its form, the obvious idea behind which, was/is mainly rooted in upholding social prejudice that benefit one group over another, and not in scientific rationality.

They're not trying to create a sub-species. They're just trying to figure out when and how we all ended up where we are today. Believe it or not, but there is this a lot we don't know when it comes to human migrations. I actually like the idea and plan on participating in the study. Refer to my link in 'Off Topic...But.'


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quote:
Originally posted by King_Scorpion:
They're not trying to create a sub-species. They're just trying to figure out when and how we all ended up where we are today. Believe it or not, but there is this a lot we don't know when it comes to human migrations. I actually like the idea and plan on participating in the study. Refer to my link in 'Off Topic...But.'

Caution must be taken when reading posts. That said, King_Scorpion, I wasn't referring to the authors of the parent notes. I was speaking in terms of the idea of races representing sub-species of humans. Various folks look at physical variations in humanity as something much deeper than what it actually is; there is a tendency to use race as a pseudo-species, in order to create a social divide that benefits the author of the categories/classification.

To put it simply: I used the author's notes, to make or support the above point.

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How do we participate in this study.? I plan on sending my sample too.
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http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/participate.html

It's a little pricey, but I think it's worth it.

Also check this out...it's truly remarkable!

http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/atlas.html


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quote:
Originally posted by rasol:
R1b:
M94 ? In Africa

M168 50,000 Out of Africa -> Africa->Middle East

F(M89) 45,000 Middle East->South West Asia

K(M9) 40,000 South West Asia->North Central Asia

P(M45) 35,000 North Central Asia->North West Asia

R(M207) ? In North West Asia
R1(M173) 30,000 North West Asia->Europe
R1b(P25) ? In Europe


E3 (PN2):

M94 ? In Africa
M168 50,000 Africa->Middle East
M145 ? ?
E(M96) ? Africa
E3(PN2) ? Africa
E3b(M35)26,000 Africa
E3a(P1) ? Africa



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quote:
Originally posted by rasol:
SRV10831.1


I think that should be SRY10831.1, not your bad but the bad of
the non-technical source.

Thanks for the post with the color diagram corelating groups, haplotypes,
lineages and their defining mutations.

Nothing like sourcs references and citations, something
the most notorious detractor on the board never ever submits in
support of his inane claims.


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Thanks.

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