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The Tigray-Tigrinya (also referred to as
tigrean) people are descendants of early Semitic peoples who orginally settled in the Horn of Africa about 1000 BC. It seems they are related to or decended from the Sabaean (sheban) people.

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Actually, its the other way around. Proto-Semetic people originated in the Horn and later migrated to Southern Yemen.

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According to their traditions they trace their roots to
Menelik I, the child born of the queen of Sheba and king Solomon.

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This is a legend that had never been proven. We don't even have any proof that Sheba or Solomon existed. Sheba is nothing more than folklore.

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The Sabaeans are referred to in the Quran along with Christians and Jews as "people of the Book." The Tigray-Tigrinya were associated with the Amhara in the ancient Kingdom of Abyssinia, called in the Tigrinya language Ethiopia, the source of the modern name of Ethiopia. The area where they live in the mountains was the center of the ancient Cushite empire of Axum. The name Abyssinia comes from an early name --Habash-- of an early group of the Sabaean settlers who became the Tigrinya.

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No proof that the name Habashat traslates to a tribe from Southern Yemen. Plus the Sabeans are different from the Sabians in the Quran. Two different people.

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Originally posted by ausar:

No proof that the name Habashat traslates to a tribe from Southern Yemen. Plus the Sabeans are different from the Sabians in the Quran. Two different people.

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Originally posted by dahlak:

that is not true, i spoke with tigrinya people, the fact is they are decended from arabs. They should know more than you do.
Make more research or talk to the tigrinya people. I think some of you on this web side do not know the truth, you are just say, what you have been thought from tv or media.

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Dahlak, what up-to-date study(s) corroborates your assertions? Lets not leave out linguistic evidence. Thanks.

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that is not true, i spoke with tigrinya people, the fact is they are decended from arabs. They should know more than you do.
Make more research or talk to the tigrinya people. I think some of you on this web side do not know the truth, you are just say, what you have been thought from tv or media

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Sorry, I trust archaeology more than legends. Tigray may want to link themselves to Arab tribes because of the prestiage, but archaeology does not support such assertion.

Anyway,Sabeans are not related to Arabs but are culturally and racially distinct from most Arabic groups. Sabeans were matrilineal and quite different from patriarhical Arabs.

The modern ancestors of the Sabeans live in southern Yemen and are known as the Qarra.

Arabic is one of the most recent Semitic languages, and Ethiopia has older Semitic languages and more Semitic languages than any other country.

The three tribes

that speak Mahra are known to other Arabs as the Ahl al Hadara.

They
are the Qarra, Mahra and Harasis with parts of other tribes (WT
p.47.)

The language is derived from the language of the Sabaeans,
Minaeans and Himyarites.

The Mahra with other Southern Arabian
peoples seem aligned to the Hamitic race of north-east Africa.

The
Mahra are believed to be descended from the Habasha, who colonised
Ethiopia in the first millennium BC (WT p. 198). Many Bait Kathir
understand the Mahri language. The Qarra and Mahra have almost
beardless faces, fuzzy hair and dark pigmentation (WP171). http://www.globalconnections.co.uk/pdfs/MAHRAArabs.pdf

Proto-Semetic originates in the Horn of Africa:

Arabic

Background and history

Arabic belongs to the Semitic language family. The members of this family have a recorded history going bak thousands of years--one of the most extensive continuous archives of documents belonging to any human language group.

The Semitic languages eventually took root and flourished in the Mediterranean Basin area, especially in the Tigris-Euphrates river basin and in the coastal areas of the Levant, but where the home of area of "proto-Semitic" was located is still the object of dispute among scholars, Once, the Arabian Peninsula was thought to have been the "cradle" of proto-Semitic, but nowadays many scholars advocate the view that it originated somewhere in East Africa, probably in the area of Somalia/Ethiopia.

Interestingly, both these areas are now dominated lingustically by the two youngest members of the Semitic language family: Arabic and Amharic, both of which emerged in the mid-fourth century C.E.
http://www.indiana.edu/~arabic/arabic_history.htm

Report:
Near Eastern languages came from Africa 10,000 years ago
Investigator: Ene Metspalu
Tuesday May 28th, 2002
by Laura Spinney
Analysis of thousands of mitochondrial DNA samples has led Estonian
archeogeneticists to the origins of Arabic. Ene Metspalu of the
Department of Evolutionary Biology at Tartu University and the
Estonian Biocentre in Tartu, claims to have evidence that the Arab-
Berber languages of the Near and Middle East came out of East Africa
around 10,000 years ago. She has found evidence for what may have
been the last sizeable migration out of Africa before the slave
trade.
Genetic markers transmitted through either the maternal or paternal
line have been used to trace the great human migrations since Homo
sapiens emerged in Africa. But attempts to trace the evolution of
languages have met with less success, partly because of the impact on
languages of untraceable political and economic upheavals.
Metspalu and colleagues analyzed inherited variations in a huge
number of samples - almost 3000 - of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) taken
from natives of the Near East, Middle East and Central Asia, as well
as North and East Africa.
mtDNA is inherited through the maternal line, and by comparing their
data with existing data on European, Indian, Siberian and other
Central Asian populations, the researchers were able to create a
comprehensive phylogenetic map of maternal lineages diverging from
Africa and spreading towards Europe and Asia.
Working in collaboration with language specialists, they found that
this movement 10,000 years ago, which was probably centred on
Ethiopia, could well have been responsible for seeding the Afro-
Asiatic language from which all modern Arab-Berber languages are
descended.
"This language was spoken in Africa 10,000 or 12,000 years ago,"
Metspalu told BioMedNet News. "We think it was around that time that
carriers brought these Afro-Asiatic languages to the Near East." The
language, or its derivatives, later spread much further afield.
What could have triggered the movement she can only speculate. One
possibility is that increasing desertification was causing famine in
Africa and driving hunters further afield in search of animals.
Interestingly, the lineages they traced through this 10,000-year-old
migration didn't seem to get much further north than modern-day Syria
or east of modern-day Iraq. There is no evidence of the lineages in
the mtDNA of people from Turkey or Iran, says Metspalu.
"We can't understand why this boundary [to the Arab-Berber speaking
world] is so sharp," she said. "They came out of Africa, and when
they reached Turkey they just stopped." She believes some kind of
physical boundary, now vanished, must have impeded them.
The same genetic detective work has confirmed archeological evidence
that the biggest movement out of Africa occurred around 50,000 years
ago - which is when Africans first settled in other continents - and
that it originated in a small East African population.
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Journal of World Prehistory
12 (1): 55-119, March 1998
Southwest Arabia During the Holocene: Recent Archaeological Developments
Christopher Edens, T.J. Wilkinson
Abstract
Recent fieldwork has considerably increased our knowledge of early
Holocene settlement in Southwest Arabia. Neolithic settlement occured
within an environmental context of increased monsoonal moisture that
continued during the mid-Holocene. A now well-attested Bronze Age
exemplified by village and town settlements occupied by sedentary
farmers developed toward the end of the mid-Holocene moist interval.
The high plateau of Yemen was an early focus for the development of
Bronze Age complex society, the economy of which relied upon terrace
rain fed and runoff agriculture. On the fringes of the Arabian Desert,
the precursors of the Sabaean literate civilization have been traced
back to between 3600 and 2800 B.P., and even earlier, so that a
virtually continuous archaeological record can now be desribe for
parts of Yemen. In contrast to the highlands these societies relied
upon food production from large scale irrigation systems dependent
upon capricious wadi floods. Bronze Age settlement, while showing some
links with the southern Levant, now shows equal or stronger linkages
with the Horn of Africa across the Red Sea. Although some regions of
Yemen show breaks in occupation, others show continuity into the
Sabaean period when a series of major towns grew up in response to the
increased incense trade with the north. It is now clear that these
civilizations grew up on the foundations of earlier Bronze Age complex
societies.

Finally, Nicolas Faraclas suggests that the roots of Semitic languages, which are classified as part of the Afro-Asiatic language family, lie in the Dorfur-Kordofan region on the eastern edge of the Chad-Sudan border. He uses linguistic, archaeological, and climatic evidence to trace the routes by which Afro-Asiatic languages seem to have spread. The Niger-Congo, Nilo-Saharan, and Afro-Asiatic languages all seem to have diverged in a migration that began with the Last Major Wet Spell of the Sahara, which ran from 10,000 B.C. to 5,000 B.C. I am not qualified to judge the linguistic evidence he summarizes, but the maps he draws from that evidence and on which he bases his conclusions are persuasive. Expect to see the article cited regularly in world history literature. http://www.h-net.msu.edu/reviews/showrev.cgi?path=19489869847896

Before the apperance of Proto-Semites there were pockets of negrito and veddoid people in Southern Yemen.

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Originally posted by dahlak:

what i do not anderstand is, why are the afronut or the other west or south african people try to compair with north or east african. Like on this web side, i realy do not anderstand, what they realy have incommen, nothing. Why are they look different and why are they have different traditions and languages. What i know and learn the east or north african never been in slavery or never sold them own people to slavery. that is why i dis agree and is total different people. They are people from another tribes in east africa, like the kunama, they look more like the negroid group.

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Instead of throwing insults at people, why don't be a man and provide concrete up-to-date corroboration for your claims!

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what i do not anderstand is, why are the afronut or the other west or south african people try to compair with north or east african. Like on this web side, i realy do not anderstand, what they realy have incommen, nothing. Why are they look different and why are they have different traditions and languages. What i know and learn the east or north african never been in slavery or never sold them own people to slavery. that is why i dis agree and is total different people. They are people from another tribes in east africa, like the kunama, they look more like the negroid group.

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Logical fallacy: Ad homein

Logical fallacy:non-sequitir

Deal with the evidence I presented. Don't form an Ad Homein attack.

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Like on this web side, i realy do not anderstand, what they realy have incommen, nothing.

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I don't think this is relevant to the issue that you raise in the topic, it's more of a rant really, but...it is your topic so...

1) I know some East Africans who feel the same way about Arabs such as yourself - ie, they feel they have nothing in common with Arabs.

2) Here are a couple of the "more polite" opinions from Somali from United Kingdom Blacknet forum:

This plight of my people has therefore located Somalis on each continent on the planet. When people from western cultures see us SOmalis or other Africans similar to us, they automatically assume that we are different with our Religion (Islam), our different look if compared to the typical Western Black. Therefore because we fall out of this typical culture we are assumed as Arabs or something else, because i know for damn sure Arabs dont consider us Arabs!! I must explain to you my brothers and sisters that we Somalis are black, and no black is closer than any other. Yes the West Indians have been through slavery as a consequence to this, they might have lost some of their traditional cultures, but so what, they have formed new unqiue cultures which should be repsepected and loved, yes must West Indians have white blood running through their veins, but i can see their brown colour like mine which makes me naturally connected to them no matter what, as we are all from the same Africa!!
So my black people lets not hate each other, lets see our differnces and respect them, lets respect each others cultures and religions, each others different looks. - Prince Of Punt.

Actually, Somalis are very proud people and would never take another people language. You will find Somalis speaking Italian, French or English (because of the colonization of their country) and Arabic (because they are Muslim) but most of them still teach Somali to their children. If you ever thought Somali look down on other Blacks or Africans, you don't know them enough. Somalis can be quite racist I must recognize with White people and foreigners (or anything but themselves whether it is Arabs, Whites or other Blacks) for them it is they way to keep their heritage and they are reluctant to mix with any other people. From the Somali language, you can learn that some of the worst names let's say to call the evil are "white skin" ("Saan Adaleh" Saan=skin adaleh=white). Another word used for White people is “gaal” with the plurial “gaallo” but this word really means “infidele”. When the white colonizers came to Somalia, Somalians didn't welcome them as if they were superiors as it has been done in South-America and some Asian and African countries. Unfortunately Somalia (or I should say Somali people) didn't have a strong state like the state of Abyssinia. But being Muslims, Somalis couldn't be fooled with the religious card like any other people who received a revealed religion (Islam or Christianity etc.). Anyway, the white skin has never impressed Somalis or if they have been impressed it caused them so much fear or shock that they called it "evil".

About the Somalis calling themselves Arabs and/or speaking Arabic: Like any people with an identity crisis, Somalis may be confused from time to time. This happens to African-Americans and to the West Indies at least I can talk about people from French Martinique and Guadeloupe. They have a different name for all the different complexions and those names tell to what degree someone is mixed (I couldn’t believe my eyes) and the lighter your skin is the more people like you. I later understood it was all coming from the slavery times and they had hard times and extreme identity crisis. Somalis don’t have a similar problem but there are talks all the times about the origin of Somalis and other people of the horn of Africa. Many Somalis want to know why they do not look like other Africans. If some of them take pride of not looking like other Black Africans, they are wrong because they are not responsible for the way they look anyway and beautiful people exist everywhere. When I lived in France, I heard other African students called us “basters” (a “nice” word for mixed I guess) and said they were the real Africans, the 100%. Somalis searching for their origin (other than Black) doesn’t mean they are not Africans; it is just like people searching for their family tree.

Somalis may have had some mixing with Arabs but the history, anthropology and culture of Somali people can tell that a wide scale mixing didn’t happen. When two culture meet, there is usually one that becomes stronger and swallow the other. I think the Somali culture is very strong and Somalis have been a people of Conquerors in East Africa with all the good and bad that had. Some Somalis may have some Arab blood but they it doesn’t make them Arabs because they kept the Somali culture. If we think of Ethiopia, it is the same thing that has happened to Ethiopians who speak Amharic (Amharic is from “Gueze” which has been traced to South-Arabia) but it doesn’t mean that Ethiopians are Arabs or Semitic, the Semitic adding have been assimilated in the greater abbyssinian culture. -Somali Sister.

Now, you asked a question, and I have proferred two East African answers to it.

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Originally posted by rasol:
I don't think this is relevant to the issue that you raise in the topic, it's more of a rant really, but...it is your topic so...

1) I know some East Africans who feel the same way about Arabs such as yourself - ie, they feel they have nothing in common with Arabs.

2) Here are a couple of the "more polite" opinions from Somali from United Kingdom Blacknet forum:

This plight of my people has therefore located Somalis on each continent on the planet. When people from western cultures see us SOmalis or other Africans similar to us, they automatically assume that we are different with our Religion (Islam), our different look if compared to the typical Western Black. Therefore because we fall out of this typical culture we are assumed as Arabs or something else, because i know for damn sure Arabs dont consider us Arabs!! I must explain to you my brothers and sisters that we Somalis are black, and no black is closer than any other. Yes the West Indians have been through slavery as a consequence to this, they might have lost some of their traditional cultures, but so what, they have formed new unqiue cultures which should be repsepected and loved, yes must West Indians have white blood running through their veins, but i can see their brown colour like mine which makes me naturally connected to them no matter what, as we are all from the same Africa!!
So my black people lets not hate each other, lets see our differnces and respect them, lets respect each others cultures and religions, each others different looks. - Prince Of Punt.

Actually, Somalis are very proud people and would never take another people language. You will find Somalis speaking Italian, French or English (because of the colonization of their country) and Arabic (because they are Muslim) but most of them still teach Somali to their children. If you ever thought Somali look down on other Blacks or Africans, you don't know them enough. Somalis can be quite racist I must recognize with White people and foreigners (or anything but themselves whether it is Arabs, Whites or other Blacks) for them it is they way to keep their heritage and they are reluctant to mix with any other people. From the Somali language, you can learn that some of the worst names let's say to call the evil are "white skin" ("Saan Adaleh" Saan=skin adaleh=white). Another word used for White people is “gaal” with the plurial “gaallo” but this word really means “infidele”. When the white colonizers came to Somalia, Somalians didn't welcome them as if they were superiors as it has been done in South-America and some Asian and African countries. Unfortunately Somalia (or I should say Somali people) didn't have a strong state like the state of Abyssinia. But being Muslims, Somalis couldn't be fooled with the religious card like any other people who received a revealed religion (Islam or Christianity etc.). Anyway, the white skin has never impressed Somalis or if they have been impressed it caused them so much fear or shock that they called it "evil".

About the Somalis calling themselves Arabs and/or speaking Arabic: Like any people with an identity crisis, Somalis may be confused from time to time. This happens to African-Americans and to the West Indies at least I can talk about people from French Martinique and Guadeloupe. They have a different name for all the different complexions and those names tell to what degree someone is mixed (I couldn’t believe my eyes) and the lighter your skin is the more people like you. I later understood it was all coming from the slavery times and they had hard times and extreme identity crisis. Somalis don’t have a similar problem but there are talks all the times about the origin of Somalis and other people of the horn of Africa. Many Somalis want to know why they do not look like other Africans. If some of them take pride of not looking like other Black Africans, they are wrong because they are not responsible for the way they look anyway and beautiful people exist everywhere. When I lived in France, I heard other African students called us “basters” (a “nice” word for mixed I guess) and said they were the real Africans, the 100%. Somalis searching for their origin (other than Black) doesn’t mean they are not Africans; it is just like people searching for their family tree.

Somalis may have had some mixing with Arabs but the history, anthropology and culture of Somali people can tell that a wide scale mixing didn’t happen. When two culture meet, there is usually one that becomes stronger and swallow the other. I think the Somali culture is very strong and Somalis have been a people of Conquerors in East Africa with all the good and bad that had. Some Somalis may have some Arab blood but they it doesn’t make them Arabs because they kept the Somali culture. If we think of Ethiopia, it is the same thing that has happened to Ethiopians who speak Amharic (Amharic is from “Gueze” which has been traced to South-Arabia) but it doesn’t mean that Ethiopians are Arabs or Semitic, the Semitic adding have been assimilated in the greater abbyssinian culture. -Somali Sister.

Now, you asked a question, and I have proferred two East African answers to it.

So, don't hate.

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Originally posted by dahlak:

i don`t hate, i do not have to agree with everybody, every person have own opinion.
I have an ethiopian friends and have different opinion than you.every person have, his or her own mind.
So i can write what i know, you do not have to agree with me, so i don`t have to agree with you. You talk about somalia, I have somalian friend and he has different opinion than you.

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Originally posted by rasol:
As I said. You asked a question. I answered it.

Can we get back to dealing with the evidence, as Ausar suggested? Do you actually have any evidence to the contrary of what was presented? Treat it as a yes or no question, if it helps.

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Afrocentrism is like a CULT MOVEMENT and the only way to get through to its members is by getting them to see things from the outside looking in at their group mentality.

Many Blacks and African Americans are already speaking out against Afroncentrism and it is only going to get LOUDER AND LOUDER, as more mainstream academics join the effort and start saying the TRUTH ABOUT AFROCENTRISM!!

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Originally posted by dahlak:
what i do not anderstand is, why are the afronut or the other west or south african people try to compair with north or east african. Like on this web side, i realy do not anderstand, what they realy have incommen, nothing. Why are they look different and why are they have different traditions and languages. What i know and learn the east or north african never been in slavery or never sold them own people to slavery. that is why i dis agree and is total different people. They are people from another tribes in east africa, like the kunama, they look more like the negroid group.

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A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not, the Pierian spring"

The objectivity of historical research is a question which usually causes more headache to others than historians themselves and the discussion easily turns into fruitless speculation. More sensible is to consider the objectivity of those practical methods which are used by historians, when they turn the past into history. In the Western civilization, this is done by the ‘historical method’. This method is no omnipotent theory which can solve any problem in the past but it leaves substantial space for historian’s individual imagination and interpretation. In practice, the historical method stands for an established tradition which is shared by academic historians and which students of history embrace in the course of their tuition. This tradition consists of such general principles as uncompromising honesty, careful definition of concepts, meticulous source criticism, systematic searching for material that can falsify or modify hypotheses, constant awareness of the problem of representativeness, and explicit statements about the level of probability in the conclusions. [1] The historical method does not automatically guarantee the objectivity of the results; it only guarantees that the results should be reasonable in relation to the sources used by the historian. We may consider the historical method an agreement which sets the rules one must obey in order to gain the public acceptance as a trustworthy historian

Source:
http://www.uta.fi/~hipema/savants.htm

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You are right, Abaza. That is funny, they want eveybody to agree with them, but we
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Well let me tell you a little bit about the axum civlisation. i'm sure you've heard of queen sheba she was the queen of this kingdom. the axum kingdom was later known as the abyssinia the home land of eritrea and ethiopia today. the queen of sheba ruled axum, and as there are references to this queen and king solomon when she went to visit him after she heard of this king's wisdom in the holy quran and the bible. there is a book found in ethiopia today called " kebra nagas" meaning the glory of kings, according to this book queen sheba had a son called Menelik i, he was also the son of king solomon. Menelik was the first king of the solomonic dynasty in the abyssinia, and it ended when the last emperor died Haille selasie. now some arabs claim that this queen was an arab or sematic, well she ruled southern arabia which today known as yemen, but she ruled it as part of the axum civilisation, so like it or not ARABS she was a black african queen ruling southern arabia as part of the kingdom. any way the national language of this kingdom was ge'ez, today the modern languages replacing ge'ez are tigrinya and amharic the language of today's eritreans and ethiopians. I KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT THIS CIVLISATION BECAUSE I'M ERITREAN. http://www.blackchat.co.uk/theblackforum/forum37/7462.html

And whilst they have the bulk of fact on their side...

The Ethiopic writing system has been classified by various Ethiopian and European scholars as a Semitic writing system. Most history books attempt to trace its origin to a designation called South Arabia, the presumed home of the South Semitic language and writing system. The literary culture of the so-called South Arabians, according to these scholars, became extinct after it transposed itself onto the Ethiopic languages. South Arabic or Sabaean writing system supposedly became the Ethiopic writing system.

The language also somehow melted into Ge'ez or Tigre of Amharic or other related Ethiopic languages. The Greeks did not lose their language after a long sojourn in Egypt. The Romans did not lose their language even after they became overwhelmed by the great culture of Ancient Egypt for a long period of time. Through what mechanism did the so-called South Arabian language manage to vaporize after its speakers successfully conquered a new territory not culturally as rich as Egypt? How long did it take for the conquerors to forget their language and even the essence of their scripts in a newly acquired territory? How did the students manage to outsmart their teachers to the extent that, as the history books tell us, they conquered and occupied the territories of their presumed former colonizers?

The classifiers further speculated that the Sabaean writing system and South Arabian Semitic language or languages have their origin in that geographical-political designation called the Middle East. However, this daring construct has one profound feature: the systematic and deliberate avoidance of any paradigm and even speculation that may suggest or give credence to the African people called Ethiopians. - Ethiopic an African Writing System: Its History and Principles
by Ayele Bekerie

...you have Abobo the clown on yours, may Allah be with you.

It should be noted that the self-ascribed phenotypical differentials from other Africans that some African groups may be more imagination than otherwise. Southern Africans, for example, may be clinally distinguishable from some West Africans yet it is not seen as a "big deal". I have a friend from Ghana who spent several weeks in Botswana as an economics researcher. He informed me that he was always identified as West African even when he didn't speak. The same holds even for West Africa where again there are clinal gradations that are found within the same country. There are many exceptions of course but a Hausa from Northern Nigeria is usually spotted by Ibos and Yorubas in that nation--and even among the Yorubas those from the Northern part of Yorubaland are clinally at variance with those from further South. And the people from the very South of Nigeria are again clinally distinct--usually much lighter in colour and bit more endomorphic in structure.

Which brings me to East Africa. I have met and seen scores of Somalis and what I note is their very dark/black colour(they are not as light-coloured as is claimed), rounded and protruding foreheads, above-the-African-mean labial structures, somewhat variable hair curl--from tightly curled to moderately curled--in short they fit Hiernaux's elongated African profile well. Do they resemble other Africans?--well yes: they resemble the Northern Sudanese, the Hausa/Fulani groups from places like Sokoto in Nigeria--even though they are darker than the Foulahs from the Foutah in Guinea--, the Afro-Shirazi from Zanzibar, the darker Toucoleurs from Senegal, the darker Touareg from the Sahara, and many ethnic groups living in the African Sahel region.

Well, how do we explain these self-ascribed clinal exaggerations? It all goes back to the pseudo-scientific Hamitic hypothesis which Many of Hiernaux's elongated Africans were colonially conditioned to believe--e.g. the Tutsis-Hutus in Rwanda and Burundi--even though in fact many Tutsis
look like Hutus and vice-versa.

The modern Somali, Oromo and Borana are among the 'oldest' ethnic groups in East Africa and give us among the best prototype for what early Rift Valley populations looked like.

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Originally posted by Djehuti:
Just to add further insight, I too have East African friends from Somalia and Ethiopia as well as Eritrea.

All of the Somalis I know acknowledge that they are black and they would laugh at you if you told them otherwise. My Amhara friends from northern Ethiopia and my Tigre friends from Eritrea acknowledge both their Middle-Eastern and black African ancestry and are proud of both, and of course it is common sense that black Africans are indigenous to Ethiopia and the later Semitic speakers came from Arabia. By the way, I'm aware that all Afrasian languages including Semitic have their ultimate origin in Africa

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So you are saying, tigre people ancestry are middle-eastern and african, so my point is they are not in the catagory of negroid. In my study, the tigre ancestry are arabs.
I never heard, that they are mixed with the negroid. As far as i know they don`t marry
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Do you not understand? they are negroid and Middle-Eastern! They are both because they are mixed! They tell me this themselves. No pure Middle-Easterners look the way they do. Also, it is true that they don't marry or mix with other people, but what you don't understand is that they are mixed because of their ancestors. They have their negroid ancestors who are indigenous to Ethiopia and their Middle-EasterN ancestors from Arabia. These two people mixed with each other centuries ago..

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Originally posted by dahlak:
so what catagory is that????
not negroid, they are hybrid.

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