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I do realize that there was a HUGE economic motivation behind the Chattel slavery system. But given the way the Africans were treated-- the break up of families, being fed like animals in troughs, being worked so hard until some cut their own hamstring JUST not to work in the feilds. How was that economically expedient??(working your property TO DEATH LITERALLY) How can a sane person do that to other people?? How could one only see someone as 3/5 of a Human being???
On the very onset, was there an already existing Hatred/superiority complex that existed amongst Europeans that gave them the proclivity/balls to go about their form of slavery the way they did??On the very onset, did they already view Africans as sub-human, or was the White supremecy aspect a Byproduct of the control they wanted to keep over the Africans???
Other peoples had slave systems but I am especially interested in this type becuase I am 1) Black American and 2)Am taken aback sometimes when reading about the Brutality of the system. It seems so personal.--brutality Between Slave an Master
It's not just American slavery but all the things that steemed from Western Colonial rule.--Overall racist thought in sciences,EGYPTOLOGY,History ect.
What the deal with Black and white THE WORLD OVER, not just in America??
You have people in Africa having issues with skin color almost like Light skinned and Dark skinned American Blacks used to do post slavery and up until this day to a lesser extent.
Basically, What's up with the Black and white world??? Why so much Hatred, Self Hatred, and DENIAL especially when it comes to the race of the Egyptians,Southern Europeans with "African Ancestry" and other racial issues??
Is it a law of nature--Yin and Yang, opposites, one always waring against the other ect.
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Why did you call this topic American Slavery,as if American forced servitude/Slavery could have been possible without Islam and Arab Imperialism.
Please take some time and read the pdf file and learn what type of writing created the atmosphere that caused the Afrikans to become the main victims of the forced labor/Slavery INDUSTRY.
quote: While the exponents of religion preached a doctrine of equality, albeit in somewhat ambiguous terms, the facts of life determined otherwise . Prevailing attitudes were shaped not by preachers and relaters of tradition but by the conquerors and slave owners who formed the ruling group in Islamic society. The resulting attitude of contempt—towards non-Arabs in general and toward the dark-skinned in particular—is expressed in a thousand ways in the documents, literature, and art that have come down to us from the Islamic Middle Ages...This literature and, especially,popular literature depicts [the black man] in the form of hostile stereotypes—as a demon in fairy tales, as a savage in stories of travel and adventure, or commonly as a lazy, stupid, evil-smelling and lecherous slave. The evidence of literature is confirmed by art.
The Muhammad cartoons were painted in black and caused a worldwide Muslim protest while Afrikans being massacred in the Sudan was a mute response amongst Muslims why?
Two thousand years ago Herodotus, Ptolemy, Diodorus Siculus and other Greek authors wrote that the SUN was the reason for the darker complexion of the native Afrikans yet the Qu'ran failed to make this known, which proves it was of INFERIOR SCIENTIFIC value and COULD NOT HAVE BEEN FROM A ALL KNOWING SOURCE.
The Hadiths that came along with the Qu'ran DID NOT help either. The Islamic Hadiths that began associating black and white with inferiority, FAILED to recognize MELANIN was the reason for the skin color found in Afrika. They had to have that color if they were to survive that climate zone. I am personally thankful and grateful for all the SCIENTIST, both Afrikan, European, Asian etc. who studied chemistry and found out the TRUTH based on the FACTS as to why we have the skin colors we have because if it was up to ISLAM Afrikans and Nordic Europeans probably wouldn't be here today because of our SKIN COLOR.
HYPOCRISY AS TO STOP, BECAUSE IT IS WRONG TO POINT TO EUROPEAN ATROCITIES AND IGNORE ARAB ATROCITIES TOWARDS OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. European and American forced labor/ Slavery is something that is read in our HISTROY books while ARAB forced labor/ Slavery are being read in our PRESENT DAILY NEWSPAPER.
INJUSTICE THAT IS ALLOWED ANYWHERE IS A THREAT TO JUSTICE EVERYWHERE.
Why did you call this topic American Slavery,as if American forced servitude/Slavery could have been possible without Islam and Arab Imperialism.
An equally valid question would be; would it have been possible if self-proclaimed "Christian" Europeans, had not kidnapped those African captives in the most brutal conditions, and practiced the "Christian" values of treating another human being as an equal?
Moreover, there were Africans who had their African captives from inter-African/regional conflicts sold to traders or business partners. What about that?
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quote: While the exponents of religion preached a doctrine of equality, albeit in somewhat ambiguous terms, the facts of life determined otherwise . Prevailing attitudes were shaped not by preachers and relaters of tradition but by the conquerors and slave owners who formed the ruling group in Islamic society. The resulting attitude of contempt—towards non-Arabs in general and toward the dark-skinned in particular—is expressed in a thousand ways in the documents, literature, and art that have come down to us from the Islamic Middle Ages...This literature and, especially,popular literature depicts [the black man] in the form of hostile stereotypes—as a demon in fairy tales, as a savage in stories of travel and adventure, or commonly as a lazy, stupid, evil-smelling and lecherous slave. The evidence of literature is confirmed by art.
The Muhammad cartoons were painted in black and caused a worldwide Muslim protest while Afrikans being massacred in the Sudan was a mute response amongst Muslims why?
I thought the protest was more against the idea of the attempt to draw the "Prophet" in the first place. In any case, does your reference to "Muslims" here, include Africans who are among the "troops" and "statesmen" involved in the situation of the region?
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HYPOCRISY AS TO STOP, BECAUSE IT IS WRONG TO POINT TO EUROPEAN ATROCITIES AND IGNORE ARAB ATROCITIES TOWARDS OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. European and American forced labor/ Slavery is something that is read in our HISTROY books while ARAB forced labor/ Slavery are being read in our PRESENT DAILY NEWSPAPER.
The problem with your claim is that, nobody is justifying "Arab" atrocities or "enslavement" of another human being, and hence, a red herring - rather, you are equating a religion with a people who call themselves "Arabs".
Forced labor [or something very close to it] promoted by European companies in Asia, Africa, and elsewhere is read daily in newspapers around the globe. It is happening right at your doorstep with the so-called "undocumented" immigrant masses, as we speak. Economic "slavery" is occurring in WTO and World Bank controlled by European corporations. Countries are being made to pay debts that have been incurred by "European" imperialists in the first place, during their occupation of the regions; when occupied territories got their so-called "independence", they were made to reconstruct from the havoc caused by those "colonists" with money supposedly "borrowed" from those financial institutions set up by financial oligarchy of the European "colonists" - money that was incurred by the inhumane exploitation of the folks of the occupied territories. This is not history; it is the STATUS QUO!
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Blacks played an intrical part in their own distruction in that they were very much divded after the brak down of Large Empires like Mali, Ghana, ect.
I read "The Destruction of Black Civilization" By Chancellor Williams. It very comprehensive in it's view in that it's chronological where one event leas to another which leads to another in the destruction of Blacks as a people.
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Why did you call this topic American Slavery,as if American forced servitude/Slavery could have been possible without Islam and Arab Imperialism.
Please take some time and read the pdf file and learn what type of writing created the atmosphere that caused the Afrikans to become the main victims of the forced labor/Slavery INDUSTRY.
I don't think you read this paper yourself. Hunwick makes it clear that Muhammad, the Hadith and Quran made slavery a sin. Yet , Hunwick wrote "Such teachings , however, did not fully influence Arab mind over their views of black Africans" (p.2).
This statement by Hunwick makes it clear that the Islamic religion and Muhammad was anti-slavery. People owned slaves because they wanted to own slaves. Stop blaming slavery on Islam.
The Atlantic slave trade was began by Portuguese who kidnapped some Africans and sold them into slavery. Later the African chiefs, stopped the Portuguese from stealing slaves, and made the Portuguese and other Europeans buy slaves only from African elites.
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Just to briefly answer the topic question, it is BOTH.
The original purpose of American slavery was the same as slavery practiced everywhere else in the world and in history-- it was purely economic.
However, the racial part soon came into play to justify their what seemed to contradict their non-Christian beliefs. Many if not all whites came to believe in the racial psuedo-science of their day-- that blacks were some inferior sub-human group.
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The original purpose of American slavery was the same as slavery practiced everywhere else in the world and in history-- it was purely economic.
I have a problem with that term "purely" here; please enlighten me on how someone can "own" a person as a "property" for purely "economic" reasons without the underlying notion that the person is "beneath" that someone.
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The original purpose of American slavery was the same as slavery practiced everywhere else in the world and in history-- it was purely economic.
I have a problem with that term "purely" here; please enlighten me on how someone can "own" a person as a "property" for purely "economic" reasons without the underlying notion that the person is "beneath" that someone.
It is important to remember that the first Africans came to America/United States as indentured Servants in 1619. It was not until after 1639 that African Blacks were made chattel slaves.
The entire system of slavery appears to have been based on racism. In 1639, a Maryland statue made the first mention of certain Blacks and Indians who were to be considered slaves. In 1640, three indentured servants ran way from Virginia to Maryland: an African, a Scott and a Dutchman. After their capture the Scott and Dutchman had four years added to their tenure, while Punch the Afro-American was ordered to serve his master for his natural life by the judge.
It appears that as more white entered the United States from the Caribbean the idea of slavery for blacks became popular, this coupled with the increase in wages for English citizens in the 1660's decreased the number of indentured servants coming to the United States. These planters believed that large scale production of tobacco would make them tons of money. This meant that they needed a large work force which could only be obtained by importing slaves.
It was in the 1660"s that legislatures across the colonies instituted new laws that one derived citizenship based on the "condition of the mother". This was a president in Western history, under British Law, your rights were established by the condition of your father. These new laws meant that anyone born of a negro slave women could be held as a slave for life. This gave the master absolute paternal power over the black offspring of a slave women.
In some states a person born a Christian could not be held a slave. A Virginia statue in 1667 declared that ones condition as free or bondsman/woman determined your condition not "baptisme". All of these laws meant that blacks could be held as slaves--property-- solely on the bases of their race.
This led to many slaves abandoning the Christian church. Instead of worshipping Jesus, in the slave cabins they worshipped Jehova, because they felt the Hebrew god would deliver them from bondage into freedom. Other people continued to worship Islam, the religion they held while freemen in Africa.
Most slaves worshipped traditional African religions, Islam or Hebrewism up until the rebellion of Nat Turner. After the Turner insurrection Blacks were not allowed to have religious services without the presence of a white. Having a white at slave religious ceremonies, ended the liberation theology of blacks in established religions, and whites enforced the teaching among Blacks of Jesus as a man of peace who was their saviour. This along with the internal slave trade that broke up many slave families, led to the rise of Christianity among the slaves, and the placement of Islam and Hebrewism as undeground religions traditions among free blacks.
The development of chattel slavery in the United States outlined above make it clear that the predominate reason for slavery in the United States was race. This results from the fact that only Blacks and Indians were made slaves--not Europeans.
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The reason why I asked this question is becuase I was having a discussion on another message board in which the topic of the Confederate/Rebel Flag's meaning to Black Americans was the topic of debate. There was a picture of Black men holding th Flag in a Historical reinactment(although it was not originally stated. It was just a picture). Most Blacks that frequent the board said they didn't understand HOW a Black American could ever advocate or Fly a Confederate flag. Someone made the argument that the original meaning/purpose of the Flag was nationalism and a representation of states who wanted to suceed from the Union.
Long story short, the conversation went into how slavery was not initialy on it's very onset about race but economics thus negating any outrage about the flag. The nazi flag was brought up and it was said that it is different in that it was created to represent racial superiority and that it had no correlation to the Confederate which was NOT created to represent slavery but nationalism/ the southern way of live, which ironically/subsequently involved SLAVERY/racism.
It was also stated that Blacks owned slaves in America ect. thus making it about economics and not race.
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The Jamestown event was the first sale of enslaved Africans in the English colonies. They held passage on a Dutch ship embarked from the West Indies.
Africans had been sold back in 1581 in St Augustine, Florida but the first place in the Americas to land enslaved Africans was Hispaniola (Haiti/Dominican Republic) in 1501.
At a certain era during the Americas slavery days, fresh captives were brought to the Caribbean for "seasoning" before being shipped to North America. A slave ship sailing from the "Slave Coast" could sell it's captives on various calls to port. A captured family could have the father sold in Guyana, the mother in Barbados, a child in Haiti, another child in South Carolina. What a triumph of the slavers that this family's descendents now define themselves as Spanish, British, French or American, identifying with the slave master, rather than with each other as dispersed captured Africans.
Thus it's common in the USA that many Latinos of obvious African descent act coldly toward Black Americans, often changing from speaking in English to speaking in Spanish as soon as a Black American comes within hearing range. They also refuse to exchange courteous greetings on the street. Yet at the same time so many imitate and incorporate HipHop culture and call each other nigga even more than the Blacks do.
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