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ARAB PRESS SAYS MOST OF IRAQ’S OPPRESSED BLACKS ARE KA’AB AND QAYS ARABS WHILE A MINORITY DESCEND FROM ZANJ
In 2008 the Arab Press released an article (see below) claiming that of the 300,000 “blacks” facing color discrimination in southern Iraq 200,000 or 2/3rd of Iraq were Arabs of Muntafiq or Uqayl bin Ka’ab tribes whose ancestors left Central Arabia after the 9th century. And that some of the blacks of both of the more populous Arabian tribes and East African descended (Zanj) population like the current vice president ancestors have been intermarrying with fairer-skinned Iraqis over the last few generations in order to avoid discrimination. The article provides an example of how the last remnants of the early Arabs submerged and subjected throughout the Middle East have lost their original appearance and how and why they are still integrating into the fairer-skinned populations around them.
Here is part of the article entitled “Iraq’s Blacks”, copyrighted 2008 by Arab Press Service:
“There are two main categories of blacks in Iraq, mostly in the south, who total about 300,000: those of East African origin, numbering around 100,000; and those of who are Arab and originate from the Hejaz, claiming to be descended from the Prophet Muhammad, who moved to this country mostly in the 1750s and 1980s. The latter are mostly from the Muntafek tribe to which 'Abdul-Mahdi belongs. But both groups used to be far more numerous in the past centuries, many of them having inter-married with the locals and thus the colour of their skin has since been changed, though most remain darker than other Iraqis as in the case of 'Abdul-Mahdi. …
'Abdul-Mahdi's ancestor from the Muntafek, Shaikh Nasser al-Sa'doun, founded a town in the south - Nasseriya - and this has since become a fairly large city with a big part of its inhabitants remaining Sunni Arab.”
In 1881, Rawlinsons noted the Muntafek and its progenitor tribe of Ka’ab as possessing the complexion of Galla, Abyssinians (Ethiopians) and asserts, “The Cha’ab Arabs, the present possessors of the more southern parts of Babylonia are nearly black and the ‘black Syrians’ of whom Strabo speaks seem to represent the Babylonians.” (See The Five Great Monarchies of the Ancient Eastern World: Or, The History, Geography, and Antiquites of Chaldea, Assyria, Babylon, Media, and Persia, Vol. II)
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SHORT HISTORY OF THE CONFEDERATION OF MUNTAFIK IBN UQAYL IBN KA’B: THEIR RISE AND FALL In the latter half of the 9th c. AD there was in fact a large scale migration of the Ka’ab and other tribes of the Beni Amir branch of Hawazin from Central Arabia (Nejd) into Syria and Iraq. The Muntafek are descended from the Uqayl bin Ka’b one of the larger branches of the Beni Amir bin Za’za branch of the Hawazin. The Uqayl originally lived in the area of Wadi Bisha and Wadi Dawasir. (See p. 47 Najd before the Salafi Reform Movement Uwida al Juhany, 2002) The Hawazin (or Hawazin bin Mansur) in turn are descendants of the Qays. So in general most of the Beni Amer bin Zaza’a groups of Iraq are known by historians as the Qaysi Arabs.
According to most Arab historians including a work by Qalqashandi, “the Muntafiq were related to the Uqaylids both tracing their lineage to Amir bin Sa’sa’a” (See The Buwayhid Dynasty in Iraq 334 H./945 to 403 H./1012 by John Donohue, p. 221. fn75, 2003.) The genealogy of the Muntafiq ibn Uqayl ibn Ka’b ibn Rabi’a ibn Amir ibn Sa’sa ibn ibn Mo'awiyah ibn Bakr ibn Hawazin bin Mansour bin Ekrama bin Khafsa bin Qais Ailan ibn Mudher (or Muzar ).
The settlement of the Muntafiq and other branches of Uqayl (Ka’ab or Cha’b Arabs) has been fairly well documented, “…historians noted the reemergence in the 17th century of the Muntafiq as one of the powerful tribal confederations of southern Iraq, originally the latter had been in ancient times an imara (tribal principality) whose Shaikhly house the Shabib family were reputed to be Meccan, had ruled as masters of Basra and al Ahsa (eastern Arabia) from as early as the 13th century, albeit not uninterruptedly..” (from The Politics of Regional Trade in Iraq, Arabia and the Gulf” 1745-1900 by Hala Mundhir Fattah, 1997, p. 29).
Contrary to what's been supposed this Imam of Mecca is descended purely from the Bakr bin Wa'il once preeminent in Central Arabia (from Taghlib and Shayban). The tribes of the Nejd (Central Arabia) were known for their "blackness".
Abdul- Mahdi - Vice President of Iraq of partial Muntafiq descent. His ancestors are among those who have married into other fair-skinned Iraqi tribes . The Ka’ab were centered south of Basra.(Encylopaedic Ethnography of Middle East and Central Asia, p. 427 vol I R. Khanam) - “Khafaja is a subdivision of the Hawazin tribe of Uqayl bin Kab” In the 8th century they were still living in south Central Saudi Arabia (al-Yamama) and fighting against the Hanifa branch of Banu Bakr b. Wa’il. (p. 427). In Islamic Abbasid times the Khafaja a branch of the Muntafiq or Uqayl dwelt on the middle Eurphrates in the 10th century A.D. and came to command the road from Basra to Kufa in Iraq.
Earlier famed British Orientalistm Stanley Lane Pool, wrote of the Uqayl history and their branches. “The Banu Okayl, or Okaylids , a very large Arab clan, formed one of the five divisions of the Banu Ka’b of the Modarite tribes of Arabia; and after their adoption of Islam their subclans spread over parts of Syria, Iraq, and even North Africa and Andalusia. In the early days of the Abbasid Califphate, Irak was full of Okaylids. The Banu Muntafik, one of their sub-clans, migrated to the marshy country about Basra called the Batiha or Bata’ih (‘the Swamps’), under the family of Ma’ruf; the banu Khafaja for centuries occupied themselves in looting caravans in the deserts of Irak as late as 1327… Continuing he says they at one time occupied “the country between Kufa, Wasit and Basra and eventually furnished the line of Oqaylid princes of Mosil.” (See Stanley Lane Pool’s, The Mohammadan Dynasties.2004, p. 116)
The well travelled 19th century archeologist Austen Henry Layard observed the al-Muntafiq , “dwelling on the banks of the lower Euphrates, and exercising a certain control over all the smaller tribes inhabiting the southern part of Mesopotamia.. They were “split into two opposite factions on account of the rival pretensions of two chiefs. (See Discoveries Among the Ruins of Nineveh and Babylon: with travels in Armenia, Kurdistan and the Desert, 1856 p. 480 )
The Arabian tribes of Qays Ailan in general such as ‘Abs from the Ghatafan, Sulaym and others were once noted for their blackness and celebrated for their participation in the early Islamic caliphates. But the “might of the Muntafiq” declined under the Ottoman Centralization policies of the 19th century. (Encyclopaedic Ethnography, R. Khanam vol. 1, p. 550 ) As the lords of time would have it their power has declined to such an extent that many today think they and other purer remnants of the Qays are descendants of slaves.
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I find it funny how the 'Arab' press of Iraq would openly acknowledge that their black communities are actual Arabians. Yet we find the 'Arabs' in an African country like Egypt too reluctant to talk about its black populations who are the indigenes responsible for the ancient civilizations they claim.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Yes, interesting find Dana.
I find it funny how the 'Arab' press of Iraq would openly acknowledge that their black communities are actual Arabians. Yet we find the 'Arabs' in an African country like Egypt too reluctant to talk about its black populations who are the indigenes responsible for the ancient civilizations they claim.
I guess the press in Egypt is too Turkish for that - Djehuti. LOL! Although real Turks have little problem associating blacks with being Arabs. Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Dana, arent there blacks from Sudan in Iraq? I remember hearing about them during the time of USrael's invasion.
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Dana, arent there blacks from Sudan in Iraq? I remember hearing about them during the time of USrael's invasion.
Of course there have been African immigrants to many parts of the Middle East in recent decades like other immigrants.
Most of the estimated 300,000 blacks as the press article says were from the North Arabian Arabs while a numerous minority are of Zanj descent.
The North ARabians or Muntafiq are a branch of the Beni Amer bin Zaza' or Uqayl bin Kab (also called Ka'ab, Chab, Chub or Qab). Of course there have been African immigrants to many parts of the Middle East in recent decades like other immigrants.
These are undoubtedly the same people mentioned in the Ezekiel 30: 5 of the Hebrew Bible at the time of Nebuchadnezzar in alliance with "Misrah" which was either the Masruh tribe or Egypt.
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^ You are the only one commenting on things you know NOTHING about, even though such things were explained to you about a million times to you before!!
So what does that make you? A retard or a psycopath who cannot accept truth?!
First off, there is no such thing as "caucasian". It is a nonsense label applied to anyone with certain features like narrow noses and thin lips. You realize that peoples from Central Africa to the Pacific were once called "caucasian". Therefore that label has no basis in physical anthropology let alone genetics which DEBUNKED the whole idea of 'race' in the first place!
If what you say is true how about you provide evidence that Nubians are 50%-60% "caucasian", how about providing evidence that "caucasian" even exists!
Of course you can't because the only one dreaming is YOU. You are living in a Eurocentric dream where indigenous Africans are not black but "caucasian" with very dark i.e. chocolate complexions. LOL Keep dreaming Afrangi loser!
quote:Originally posted by Fraud_Busted: There she goes again, making up stories just for humor!
Those so called "Black Arabs" are known to have come from Subsaharn-Africa. If they settled in Saudi Arabia first and them migrated into Iraq, that does not change their first real origin.
No Need To Live Up To Your Name: Lie_Niche.
I guess you are as illiterate as you are stupid. Didn't you read the news article that says MOST of them are indeed Arabs?? Didn't you read Dana's previous threads that explain some of the earliest inhabitants of Arabia WERE AFRICANS?? Africa is after all right next to Arabia, but then again you deny people IN Africa (the Egyptians) to be Africans as well. So what is the point in explaining anything to you?!
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quote:Originally posted by anguishofbeing: Dana, arent there blacks from Sudan in Iraq? I remember hearing about them during the time of USrael's invasion.
Of course there have been African immigrants to many parts of the Middle East in recent decades like other immigrants.
Most of the estimated 300,000 blacks as the press article says were from the North Arabian Arabs while a numerous minority are of Zanj descent.
The North ARabians or Muntafiq are a branch of the Beni Amer bin Zaza' or Uqayl bin Kab (also called Ka'ab, Chab, Chub or Qab). Of course there have been African immigrants to many parts of the Middle East in recent decades like other immigrants.
These are undoubtedly the same people mentioned in the Ezekiel 30: 5 of the Hebrew Bible at the time of Nebuchadnezzar in alliance with "Misrah" which was either the Masruh tribe or Egypt.
There she goes again, making up stories just for humor!
Those so called "Black Arabs" are known to have come from Subsaharn-Africa. If they settled in Saudi Arabia first and them migrated into Iraq, that does not change their first real origin.
No Need To Live Up To Your Name: Lie_Niche.
Yes all original Semites or Afro-Asiatics came from sub-saharan Africa. I'm glad you are finally getting the picture - Fraudulent. Yeah! Posts: 4226 | From: New Jersey, USA | Registered: Mar 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Fraud_Buster: even the Egyptian Nubians are about 50-60% Caucasoid genetically.
And this is why you posters who go on endlessly debating these euronuts are just as focked up as them. Nubians are 60% "Caucasian".....WWWWWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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quote:Originally posted by Fraud_Buster: even the Egyptian Nubians are about 50-60% Caucasoid genetically.
And this is why you posters who go on endlessly debating these euronuts are just as focked up as them. Nubians are 60% "Caucasian".....WWWWWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
quote:Originally posted by Just call me Jari: I believe the East African type is the original African not the Negro, so Egyptians and East Africans represent the original Africans though I could be wrong.
quote:The Egyptians would be a variant of Ethiopic/Saharan stock as can be seen by the PreDynastic Remains. So if I were to answer your question Egypt would be a Negro/Caucasian civilization, however they were not white European but East African variant which are the original Caucasian not Non Africans.
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Is this another one of your spooky ways of agreeing with Fraud and his 60% Caucasian Nubians? LOL!
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^ No, I believe it is worse! Lyingass is trying to revive the most absurd theory that the original East Africans and perhaps ancestors of all modern humans were all "caca-soid" from the start!
LMAO I recall when our old resident troll from years ago, 'Evil-Euro', dedicated an entire thread to the topic entitled 'Prehistoric African Caucasoids'!
The only problem with that "theory" is that this is how the oldest known modern human from East Africa looked like...
^ Even when Idaltu man was first discovered Cavelli Sforza thought that he better representative ancestor of present day East Africans than modern Europeans who he still thought evolved from Neanderthals! LOLPosts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ No, I believe it is worse! Lyingass is trying to revive the most absurd theory that the original East Africans and perhaps ancestors of all modern humans were all "caca-soid" from the start!
LMAO I recall when our old resident troll from years ago 'Evil-Euro' dedicated an entire thread to the topic entitled 'Prehistoric African Caucasoids'!
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quote:Originally posted by Fraud_Busted: Those so called "Black Arabs" are known to have come from Subsaharn-Africa. If they settled in Saudi Arabia first and them migrated into Iraq, that does not change their first real origin.
No Need To Live Up To Your Name: Lie_Niche.
Ironic how the tranny-loving busted_fraud tries to disavow these black Arabs as being of African descent.
Of course that fact is true and nobody said otherwise but just as you Dana have pointed out, ancestral Semitic languages and culture which gave birth Arabic itself originated in Africa as a branch of the Afrasian phylum.
But the point I'm making is didn't the Fraud claim that such blacks were "caucasian" in another thread?!
quote:The Fraud cited a debunked source:
Columbia Encyclopedia: Hamites Home > Library > Miscellaneous > Columbia EncyclopediaHamites, African people of caucasoid descent who occupy the Horn of Africa (chiefly Somalia and Ethiopia), the western Sahara, and parts of Algeria and Tunisia. They are believed to be the original settlers of N Africa. The Hamitic cradleland is generally agreed to be in Asia-perhaps Southern Arabia or possibly an area farther east. The Hamites entered Africa in a long succession of migrations, of which the earliest may have been as far back as the end of the pluvial period. They are commonly divided into two great branches, Eastern and Northern. The Eastern Hamites comprise the ancient and modern Egyptians, the Beja, the Berberines, the Oromo, the Somali, the Danakil, and most Ethiopians. The Northern Hamites include the Berbers of Cyrenaica, Tripolitania, Tunisia, and Algeria; the Berbers of Morocco; the Tuareg and Tibu of the Sahara; the Fulbe of the Western Sudan; and the extinct Guanche of the Canary Islands.
The reason why his debunked source presumed Arabia to be the homeland of 'Hamites' is because such people reside there also! But now the Fraud flip-flops to say such blacks are of Sub-Saharan origin and I presume are no longer "caucasian"! LOL
This is just like when he likes to show that ancient Egyptians are "caucasian" by contrasting with black "negro" looking Nubians in some threads but in other threads, claims Nubians are 60-100% caucasian too! LMAO Stupid trolls just can't make up their messed up minds! Posts: 26286 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Yeah - this troll is even more confused than snaky. At least the snake contradicts herself less often.
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