"The Y-chromosomal data of the 7 male mummies are collectively shown in Table 3. Those subjects included 4 mummies from the Tutankhamun family group, and the father-son pair from another dynasty. One complete (KV55-Akhenaten) and 6 partial profiles (Amenhotep III, Tutankhamun, Yuya, TT320, Ramesses III, Unknown Man E) were obtained for the tested male subjects. On the other hand, all female mummies repeatedly tested negative. Using the Whit Athey haplogroup predictor, the most probable haplogroups obtained for the Tutankhamun family members were G2a for Yuya and R1b for KV55. Due to the incomplete profiles observed for Tutankhamun and Amenhotep III, analysis led to different probability figures, despite their concordant allele results. The haplogroup for these two mummies was thus predicted based on the full KV55 data, particularly since the relationships were confirmed through a previous study (Hawass et al.2010, 638–647). The mummies that did not belong to the Tutankhamun lineage showed other haplotype probabilities (L and E1b1a). It should be noted that the identified R1b haplotype in Tutankhamun, KV55 and Amenhotep III was different from those detected in the kit control DNA 007 as well as in the staff members (1 and 3) as the profiles differed in several loci."
Posts: 288 | From: Asia | Registered: Mar 2016
| IP: Logged |
-------------------- Note: I am not an "Egyptologist" as claimed by some still bitter, defeated, trolls creating fake profiles and posts elsewhere. Hapless losers, you still fail. My output of hard data debunking racist nonsense has actually INCREASED since you began.. Posts: 5905 | From: The Hammer | Registered: Aug 2008
| IP: Logged |
Tukuler
multidisciplinary Black Scholar
Member # 19944
posted
The asterisked fine print is important as prediction varies with selected geographic region none of which choices is Africa. Pay special attention to the double asterisked information that disclaims the listed A III & Tut R1b is actually that of Akhnaten a good working assumption for father -> man -> son.
Since the mummy is theirs why not SNP extraction and testing for true haplogroup assignment (not that Athey's STR predictions are of no value for NW Eur E Eur & Med, just why not the precision)?
Thought to use Della Rocca2020's "431 males from Cameroon and Chad analysed by using 27 Y-STRs and 82 Y-SNPs" for haplotype similarities and their associated haplogroup defining SNP mutation. So far no luck locating Accession Number YA004669 with its 338 entries. Help, please, somebody.
The asterisked fine print is important as prediction varies with selected geographic region none of which choices is Africa. Pay special attention to the double asterisked information that disclaims the listed A III & Tut R1b is actually that of Akhnaten a good working assumption for father -> man -> son.
Since the mummy is theirs why not SNP extraction and testing for true haplogroup assignment (not that Athey's STR predictions are of no value for NW Eur E Eur & Med, just why not the precision)?
Thought to use Della Rocca2020's "431 males from Cameroon and Chad analysed by using 27 Y-STRs and 82 Y-SNPs" for haplotype similarities and their associated haplogroup defining SNP mutation. So far no luck locating Accession Number YA004669 with its 338 entries. Help, please, somebody.
someone at another site says this qoute
quote: For Akhenaten, Nevgen gives R1b-U152 1st, and R1b-DF27 2nd.
-------------------- It's not my burden to disabuse the ignorant of their wrong opinions Posts: 2699 | From: New York | Registered: Jun 2015
| IP: Logged |
The Y-chromosomal haplotype and haplogroup distribution of modern Switzerland still reflects the alpine divide as a geographical barrier for human migration
R1b-U152
R1b-U152 is a sublineage of R1b-P312/S116 of younger origin [53]. It has been suggested that it originates from a Franco-Cantabrian region and has been brought to the Alps and northern Italy by migration along the Mediterranean coast [42]. Today it reaches its highest percentages in northern Italy [23,53]. Northwestern Italy has a very high percentage of haplogroup R1b (around 70 %) with the highest proportions in the area of Bergamo [57]. In this pre-alpine region, located about 50 km from Ticino, the percentage of individuals with haplogroup R1b-U152 is around 50 %, just as for our Ticino sample (Table 5). This local present day hotspot for haplogroup R1b-U152 fits quite well the ancient habitats of Celtic cultures such as the Lepontii, being most probably at the origin of the name “Valle Leventina” for the upper part of the Ticino Valley, or the Orobii [[58], [59], [60]]. Haplogroup R1b-U152 is significantly less frequent north of the Alps, but remains the most frequent haplogroup throughout the entire country (Table 5).
One individual from our study displayed a large Y-chromosomal deletion (Table 3), previously described in people of Asian ancestry [40,41]. In our study, this large deletion surprisingly occurred within an R1b-U152 haplogroup background, a haplogroup that is thought to have a relatively recent origin in Europe [42,43]. To our knowledge, this is the first time that such a deletion is reported for an individual of European paternal ancestry.
_______________________________________
confirmed R1b-U152 carriers include:
- The House of Habsburg (L2+ branch of U152 based on the Habsburg Family Project)
- Abraham Lincoln (probably L2+ according to the Lincoln DNA project)
(R1b-U152-L2 )
__________________________
wikipedia
R-DF27
In human genetics, Haplogroup R-DF27 (R1b1a2a1a2a) is a Y-chromosome haplogroup which is a subdivision of haplogroup R-M269 (more specifically, its subclade R-) defined by the presence of the marker DF27 (also known as S250). Along with R-U152 and R-L21, the lineage is to a significant extent associated with Proto-Celtic, Celtic and later Celtiberian movements.
It arose comparatively recently, after the beginning of the European Bronze Age, and is mostly prevalent in the population of the Pyrenees region. The regions where it has been mostly found are Basque Country, Navarre, Asturias, Galicia, Portugal, Aragon, Catalonia, Pyrénées-Atlantiques as well as a some presence in Great Britain and Ireland, though it has been found in smaller quantities as far away as Germany and Poland.
Posts: 42920 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
Tutankhamun male ancestry line, it comes to a point not that far back, that loses continuity, the unidentified husband of the mother of Pharaoh Thutmose I of the early New Kingdom. She only bore the title of King's mother (Mw.t-nswt) and is therefore thought to have been a commoner.
There is some speculation he was Amenhotep I. If so the red circles would continue to the upper left
Posts: 42920 | From: , | Registered: Jan 2010
| IP: Logged |
posted
haha! thank god these Negroes left selfies...
quote:Now let see some samples, with fitness scores distribution in range from 0 to 100. First goes fitting of R1a haplotypes into R1b statistics in NevGen’s General Levels (from R1a and R1b are excluded some very old subclades, like YP4141, YP1272, V88, V1636, PH155… which does not change results much), together with fitting coefficients. We can see it on six different markers sets.
quote: Bayesian approach which NevGen predictor uses has one bad property, or problem: it assumes that entered haplotype belongs to one of subbranches supported by predictor. So it divides 100% of probability to its supported haplogroups
quote:As we can see, this year again the worst prediction results are for R1b-U152, 59.7% (but somewhat better than last year’s 47.3%, due to better haplotype training set)
quote:A group of chromosomes of potential interest to past trans-Saharan connections is the paragroup R1b1* (R-P25*). Cruciani et al18 found this paragroup (at that time defined as haplogroup 117, or R-M173*(xSRY10831, M18, M73, M269)) to be present at high frequencies (up to 95%) in populations from northern Cameroon. The same paragroup was only rarely observed in other sub-Saharan African regions, and not observed at all in western Eurasia.18 Subsequent studies dealing with the MSY diversity in Africa have confirmed the presence of R-P25*(xM269) in northern Cameroon at high frequencies23 and, at lower frequencies (mean 5%, range 0–20%), of R-P25* immediately south of Cameroon, in several populations from Gabon.25 Interestingly, chromosomes of haplogroup R-P25/R-M173, ancestral for M269 as well as for other ‘Eurasian' downstream markers, have been found to be present in northern Africa (1% in Algeria, 4% in Tunisia, and 2–4% in Egypt).20, 23, 26 The presence of R-P25 Y chromosomes has also been reported in population groups from the Sudan;27 however, as no internal markers were typed, the sub-haplogroup affiliation of these chromosomes remains undefined.
-------------------- It's not my burden to disabuse the ignorant of their wrong opinions Posts: 2699 | From: New York | Registered: Jun 2015
| IP: Logged |
Tukuler
multidisciplinary Black Scholar
Member # 19944
posted
Thx
Was using YHRD but they nothing like they usta be. Only showing most frequent haplotypes. Could be a (near)match ain't so frequent. Could even be very rare yet still extant in Gabon, Eq Guinea, Cameroun, or Chad. Egyptian oasis populations have R1b from these sources on a Bight of Biafra to Nile Delta SW NE cline.
Thing about Athey's predictor. What's equal priors? A combo of his * NW Euro * E Euro * Med categories of Europe. Is the bias all European? Is any African data compared?
Working through https://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_tools is tedious and still don't know how much if any Afr data is in either tools' base. So still tryin ta find genomist reports tabling haplotypes. Blackbyrd fly on broken wings primitive early Holocene Sahra Afr ngr methodology, all work hand done.
quote:Originally posted by Yatunde Lisa:
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: Thought to use Della Rocca2020's "431 males from Cameroon and Chad analysed by using 27 Y-STRs and 82 Y-SNPs" for haplotype similarities and their associated haplogroup defining SNP mutation. So far no luck locating Accession Number YA004669 with its 338 entries. Help, please, somebody.
someone at another site says this qoute
quote: For Akhenaten, Nevgen gives R1b-U152 1st, and R1b-DF27 2nd.
posted
I think Cruciani et al detected G2a too... miniscule but it was there.. Of course they attributed it to modern contacts but it would make more sense if it came as a package with V88, M269 as pastorialists across the Sahel from Upper Egypt..
quote: Monday, April 22, 2019 R1b-M269 in the Bronze Age Levant
The new Harvard genotype datasets that I blogged about recently include a couple of potentially very useful samples from the Levant dated to 1400-1100 BCE. Search for IDs I2062 and I1934 in the anno files here. They're both from an archeological paper about a Late Bronze Age (LBA) burial site in what is now Israel that was published back in 2017 (see here).
Surprisingly, individual I2062 is listed in the anno files as belonging to Y-haplogroup R1b1a1a2, which is also known as R1b-M269. The reason that this is a surprise to me is because R1b-M269 is closely associated with the Bronze Age expansions of pastoralists from the Pontic-Caspian steppe in Eastern Europe, and these expansions didn't impact the Levant in any direct or significant way.
The Y-haplogroup assignment may or may not be correct. Sometimes the Y-haplogroups in these sorts of datasheets are indeed wrong. Unfortunately, as far as I know, the BAM file for I2062 isn't available anywhere online, so I can't check whether he does really belong to R1b-M269. But, intriguingly, his autosomes do show a subtle signal of Yamnaya-related ancestry from the Pontic-Caspian steppe that is missing in earlier ancients from the Levant.
-------------------- It's not my burden to disabuse the ignorant of their wrong opinions Posts: 2699 | From: New York | Registered: Jun 2015
| IP: Logged |
posted
Has anyone seen the tomb painting of Queen Tiye that looks markedly different to that of her bust? Queen Tiye appears alongside Amenhotep III and has white skin in that tomb painting.
Posts: 1568 | From: Pluto | Registered: Sep 2008
| IP: Logged |
quote:Originally posted by sudaniya: Has anyone seen the tomb painting of Queen Tiye that looks markedly different to that of her bust? Queen Tiye appears alongside Amenhotep III and has white skin in that tomb painting.
this question has it's own topic now with many references:
UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!
Printer-friendly view of this topic