I'd like your insights if you'd share them. I'm putting together a page on historical Africans (as I define them) figures in Old Testament and Patriarchal Lands. Really fascinating for someone like me not immersed in bible history of how much African presence there was. We have Alalahk and also Aleppo where Idrimi (African but artists redid him white) received a hero's welcome among the Hibaru where he lived for some time in, as Idrimi called it, Canaan.
Then there is African-featured Yarim Lim, King of Aleppo who provided asylum for Zarim-Lim, ousted king of Mari (African featured) to whom Yarim gave his daughter in marriage. And then the interesting situation of Ebih-II the resplendent supervisor of Mari - the most stellar and rich of the early nation-states for a time.
Because Mari is so extremely important to Bible happenings with much happening there, whites want to own the history that blacks made. I noticed that Ebih-II may have suffered the same fate as many other historic Africans portrayed as white. http://www.beforebc.de/Made.by.Humankind/Real.People/02-16-800-00-12.html
It rather looks like the presentation of Ebih II on the right has a head that looks as if it was elongated in something like Photoshop. He has sort of white features while Ebih II on the left has African features? I don't want to rush to conclusions. What's your take on it?
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None of those statues convinces me that the populations who created them were Saharo-tropical Africans instead of autochtonous Southwest Asians.
What evidence do you have that those people looked like any particular tropical African population instead of this:
^ Modern Iraqis (aka Mesopotamians)
I suppose you're going to tell us next that the Chinese were really black Africans...
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Hi Tyrannosaurous. Mighty name you have there. I take my hat off to you. I made the web page below after getting your question to provide an answer for you. Hope you don't mind my using your picture!!!.
And about Africans in China. Funny you should ask. There are two pages below and a link to lots more. Please let me know if there is anything else.
My main point in starting this thread, though, was to get input into the topic of African patriarchs in Old Testament lands. Any comments in that reguard (positive or negative) welcome.
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^ You see T-rex, this is why it would have been best if you would've just ignored Marc's idiotic thread.
Notice that those Sumerian statues have facial features very much un-'negro' in form, yet he claims them as African! But what do I expect from a guy who claims prehistoric Europeans as Africans. LOLPosts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Hi folks. It was not Africans just as I've mentioned as Capsa people but Africans dominated all of Mesopotamia and were a magnet that attracted people from all neighboring lands.
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Marc, since some East African groups, as has been explained hundreds of time in this forum, often have features commonly misconstrued as "Caucasian", why can't non-Africans or non-blacks evolve features that bear a superficial resemblance to those found in (some) Africans?
Remind me to paste the above in another post if Marc doesn't get it---because seriously, he reminds me of Ferrous Cranus.
EDIT: On second thought, all efforts to convince him and inject reason back into him are probably hopeless. I give up.
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Whites have long tried to explain away African accomplishments and have gone so far as to create fake art to convert historical black Africans into white so as to steal the history for their own glory. That mindset is active still in whites.
African (African by my phenotype definition - I could call the collective phenotype Monpa and it'd refer to the same) African slaves did not even gain the benefit of machines they invented, these rights and profits were stolen by their "masters" as slaves couldn't own anything. So, we all know how the white mind works. There are some 140 lines in the African gene pool recognized by scientists who consider them as a unified whole distinguised from whites and Asians.
Here are other examples of extraordinary Africans. These are the ones who gave us the material from which the Old Testament comes. These resplendent Africans are from Babylon. Though their type is no longer to be found in the lands they once lived.
Africans were the patriarchs of the Old Testament. But this history has tried to be stolen by others as well. Nothing new.
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Hey Tyrranousourus that was a good name, the description fits him perfectly. From now on i'll call Marc washington as AKA "Ferrous Cranus" Posts: 1420 | Registered: May 2005
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And, for all Semitic speakers, I'd like to add this one showing an debt they owe to the Africans who formed the language. What language did the newcomers to the lands speak before learning Semitic. Can anyone tell me?
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Today across the United States, the black man is incarcerated at a rate perhaps 300% higher than the rest of the population. And among the high-status professions, it is the lawyer and among the schools, Harvard and Yale that reign supreme amongst law schools. International law, undergirding the relationships between countries and within Parliament and Congress, law outlines the actions that can and will or can't and won't be done in society. Yet, it was the black Semites, the African who gave the world the foundation for Western law. We are still waiting for a "Gee guys. Thanks!"
Ur Nammu. Hammurabi. Gudea. Other Africans in Old Testament lands. Africans. They gave the world the religions that priests, rabbis, evangelists and the like build their lives around and find value and worth. The black man gave this value to their lives. And for this, we are proud. It's something to be proud about.
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I'm sorry but I just can't let this slide by unprotested.
Here we see you again proclaiming that facial features must be 'negro' to be African (and you ask why I chide you about your buy-in to certain aspects of the Eurocentric agenda).
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
Notice that those Sumerian statues have facial features very much un-'negro' in form, yet he claims them as African!
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quote:Originally posted by Marc Washington: And, for all Semitic speakers, I'd like to add this one showing an debt they owe to the Africans who formed the language. What language did the newcomers to the lands speak before learning Semitic. Can anyone tell me?
You know Marc ... A lot of the pictures you present doesn't carry the proof that you are looking for on this type of forum where proof is most important (and should be most important on every forum; but isn't), but with this being said. #1 Sargon 2300BC, to me actually looks like what EUROPEANS, would identify as African features with long hair ...
I do not subscribe to what makes African features African based on European idealisms, but there is something about this picture that stands out to me that shows undeniable so-called African features.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: I'm sorry but I just can't let this slide by unprotested.
Here we see you again proclaiming that facial features must be 'negro' to be African (and you ask why I chide you about your buy-in to certain aspects of the Eurocentric agenda).
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
Notice that those Sumerian statues have facial features very much un-'negro' in form, yet he claims them as African!
I'm sorry but I have to set Takruri's record straight.. AGAIN!
Takruri, here you go again accusing me of "buying into" the Eurocentric notions of "negroid" looks! I don't understand why, considering that all the years I've been in this forum I am among the top people to dispell such false notions!!
So again your accusations about my latest post here was WRONG! I was merely stating how Marc who does go by the "true negro" psuedo-anthropology ruse to claim non-Africans as "Africans" all of a sudden disregards those rules and claims people who don't have those features as "Africans" also! This reminds me alot of what Eurocentrics have done in the past.-- They make the rules as to what is "caucasoid" but violate those very rules themselves in order to claim any high culture.
And this is exactly why I ask why you chide me about "buying into Eurocentric agenda". I haven't!!
I thought you were smart enough to understand that, but apparently not and you seem to be consumed by paranoid delusions concerning me! Posts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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You don't understand why? You said they were un-negro thus not African. Even an imbecile can see that. Now you want to play it off. Apologize my ass. And I couldn't give a **** about you personally. It's about Egyptology and Africana and pointing out abuses and excesses especially of those who claim to know better and constantly berate and ridicule others. In this particular instance you stand Guilty as charged. Sentence: keep rolling your eyes like a bitch.
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti:
Notice that those Sumerian statues have facial features very much un-'negro' in form, yet he claims them as African!
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^ Wow, I must say your ugly (true?) side certainly came out.
Again, yes I wrote un-negro, but with quotations around the word 'negro' as so, which indicates that I myself do not subscribe to that term or what it entails. I thought I explained that to you on your other thread? Besides, an intelligent person can see that! If YOU didn't, then too bad.
And for the second time:
quote:I was merely stating how Marc who does go by the "true negro" psuedo-anthropology ruse to claim non-Africans as "Africans" all of a sudden disregards those rules and claims people who don't have those features as "Africans" also! This reminds me alot of what Eurocentrics have done in the past.-- They make the rules as to what is "caucasoid" but violate those very rules themselves in order to claim any high culture.
By the way, this latest post of yours only shows who the true bitch is around here, and it ain't me. Posts: 26252 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Way to go but you're still no more than a joke even though you stopped rolling your eyes like a bitch and almost raised your leg by nearly confessing the truth of your trash but true to a bitch you still try to weasel out of carrying the weight of your own words.
Marc never used negro. You're the one brought that up out of nowhere, like you kept calling the truly indigenee Filipinos negritos even after I listed the self-identifier names they proudly call themselves (instead of the tag the oppressors of their oppressors collared them.
Oh yeah, you think we're thick as brick but we're smart enough to see right through your crystal clear transparencies no matter how much you whine whine whine otherwise.
And oh, be clever enough to think up an original comeback. You can do much better than simply inverting that which comes from someone you presume to have less than your so-called superior intelligence.
No silly emoticons from me.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Way to go but you're still no more than a joke eventhough you stopped rolling your eyes like a bitch and almost raised your leg by nearly confessing the truth of your trash but true to a bitch you still try to weasel out of carrying the weight of your own words.
The only joke around here is YOU. I have already explained myself to you, but if you refuse to listen. Again, not my problem. As for being a bitch, well your're the only one bitching so..
quote:Marc never used negro. You're the one brought that up out of nowhere,
Not in this thread, but he has in countless others. I'm not going to explain again, as any intelligent poster whose read my post can understand.
quote:..like you kept calling the truly indigenee Filipinos negritos even after I listed the self-identifier names they proudly call themselves (instead of the tag the oppressors of their oppressors collared them.
I used the label 'negrito' IN QUOTATION MARKS just as I have the label 'negro', idiot! If you do not understand what that implies, then that's too bad. Again, I am not going to repeat myself.
quote:Oh yeah, you think we're thick as brick but we're smart enough to see right through your crystal clear transparencies no matter how much you whine whine whine otherwise.
LOL What is this "we". The only one thick-headed and muddy-minded is YOU. All the other intelligent posters in here can comprehend what I said. If you're not one of them too bad.
quote:And oh, be clever enough to think up an original comeback. You can do much better than simply inverting that which comes from someone you presume to have less than your so-called superior intelligence.
LOL I'm not about silly childish "comebacks". If that's your way so be it, but I'm more mature then that.
quote:No silly emoticons from me.
So what if I use emoticons. At least I also utlise intelligence and common sense when reading posts. Something which you seem to have trouble doing.
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Hey Shitforbrains Damn bitch, quit rolling them eyes. R u trolling?
The idea is not to use either term at all unless directly quoting old text. And I can see you're intelligent enough to mispell "utilise." Haste makes waste my boy. Hate makes even worse a mess.
Bottomline: you use any form of negro when you're supposed to know better and I'm a let you know about it. And when you stew about it, well, soften tough tomatoes. After all, you're not black -- as you love so loudly to crow (bet far east Asians think otherwise) -- so it doesn't matter much to you to throw around terminology self-respecting black people find pejorative nowadays and excuse yourself for using it by trying to pin it on somebody else though the only post in this thread using it is yours. Everybody here can see through that.
The negro myth died the death. One need not fit a European stereotype to look African thus it is possible for a Sumerian statue to look African without fitting the stereotype that in this instance you are using to guage whether such imagery could depict an African phenotype.
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LOL The only one with shitforbrains is YOU, if you cannot understand after dozens of explanations that I do not nor have I ever, especially after years on this forum, subscribed to the Eurocentric fallacy of "negro" or "caucasian" features! Which is why I place the terms in quotes you, nitwit!
If you cannot accept the simple fact that your presumption of me is WRONG, that YOU ARE WRONG,... well, that's just too bad.
As of now I am through trying to talk to you as I have explained myself a dozen times, and apparently you are beyond any hope of reason. Obviously your paranoid delusions of me involved in Eurocentric propaganda has gotten the better of you. Perhaps you've been having a rough day with white racists or something(?)..
Whatever it is, it's over! I will just do to you what I do with all the unruly, illogical, and incorrigible brats I work with-- IGNORE YOU.
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Halfwit (and for you that's a major compliment),
My presumption is RIGHT, I AM RIGHT! Your irrational responses prove me so!! It's not a white racist I'm encountering here, it's your supposed Asian or Pacific islander ass I'm whipping!!!
Like an ostrich, by ignoring me instead of confronting me and the man in your mirror and confessing your error, all you're doing is burying your head in te sand not realising your naked ass is exposed!!!!
Try as hard as you may, you just can't explain away these times I've successfully demonstrated you, outside of AE references, relegating African phenotypes to only the Eurocentric concept of the true negro.
Bitch kvetch caterwaul all you want, its a fact. Ignore me at will as you please. I will not ignore your instances of buy in to the true negro concept whenever other than AEs are involved. And I will call you on it everytime you do. One day you will appreciate the growth experience I'm extending you. Learn and outgrow that simplistic mentality my boy, learn and grow to be a better man. A man who can admit hs mastakes and benefit by not repeating them.
LOL all you want but it nuh funny, it no joke man. Grab on my rope, get up and climb. Confront and rise above, like all the adults who claim me as teacher.
One day when you understand the service I'm providing you, you will say patawarin po ninyo ang aming mga pagkakamali to me.
Paalam AIDS utol.
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Takruri, here you go again accusing me of "buying into" the Eurocentric notions of "negroid" looks! I don't understand why, considering that all the years I've been in this forum I am among the top people to dispell such false notions!!
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