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I'm getting tired of all the DNA studies and racial division here on Egypt Search. Were the AEs Black? Who is lighter than whom? blah, blah, blah... It's sickening.
Let's get real. Really real.
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See, y'all judge people on skin color, facial features, and hair texture. That's not what Blackness is about. No! Blackness is an idea. A concept.
This was a great Black politician. Fantastic. Wonderful.
This is his son.
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This wonderfal lady has no European ancestry. Yet, she is very White.
African-Americans are mixed 25% or 1/4 ON AVERAGE.
But in case of Oprah she does not have European true but she has 89% african(congoid), 8% red indian, and 3% asian.
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I am sick and tired of seeing these dark skinned people from Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt, Fulani tribe etc. talking about they are not Black. Give me a break. Y'all are ridiculous.
Check this out:
This looks like many old men around me who come from Alabama, North Carolina, Virginia, etc
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I see this guy all over the place. Like the guy in the picture above, both can be found all over the Americas. These are Black people.
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How Black is anyone? How Black are you? How Black am I?
I see these girls all the time walking down the street.
This is the guy down the street and his wife.
These are las latinas who walk down the street with tight blue jeans. So sexy!
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quote:Originally posted by MyRedCow: See, y'all judge people on skin color, facial features, and hair texture. That's not what Blackness is about. No! Blackness is an idea. A concept.
Interesting; what idea is "blackness"?
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LOL. Why should "I" be the one to tell "you", what "you" meant by "Blackness is an idea. A concept", when "you" wrote:
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See, y'all judge people on skin color, facial features, and hair texture. That's not what Blackness is about. No! Blackness is an idea. A concept.
Don't you find it strange for me to inform "you" of what you were thinking of, when you made that comment, as opposed to "you" giving us the rationale that drove you to make that comment. I can't think for you. Posts: 5964 | Registered: Jan 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Meskel: another pointless thread based on emotion
I'll give the benefit of doubt...for now; I think MyRedCow may be onto something, i.e. if he cares to elaborate.
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Thanks RedCow. I am surprised, I guess, to see Adam Powell's son being SO light-skinned, goodness gracious......lol. For real. Most of the pics above are people I have grown up with. Honestly RedCow, when I first studied AE in thrid grade, our teacher was showing us stuff about Egypt. Honestly, my first thought was: these people are BLACK! That was my first thought, honest to God! I was around 8 years old and I didn't know what I know now. Again, my first thought, without trying to analize, read, prove with facts, etc., my first thought was that those people are Black. And if scholars such as E. Wallis Budge is steadily comparing AE to modern African as opposed to Semitic or Asian, as sub-consiously racist as Budge was, he showed that Egypt was African.........I think......well, I don't want to try to define what Blackness is as an "idea". I just know that me and King Tut can definitely be brothers, or cousins. Salaam
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I see this guy all over the place. Like the guy in the picture above, both can be found all over the Americas. These are Black people.
Amr is probably two shades darker than Anwar, yet denying that he is Black. Anwar certainly was. His first wife, a woman of Turkish descent, mentioned that he was a Black man. She bore him four children. Whenever Anwar tried to act like he wasn't Black, his oppenents used it against him, making fun of him being of Black ancestry..........Anwar probably had the "Amr syndrome".....lol. Salaam
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Just to add some juice [in an informational sense, of course] to this thread, let me express an opinion here:
Some of these “elite” social class "Black" figures that MyRedCow described as being not "so Black", are quite likely aware of their 'skin color' or the socio-ethnic constructs that they are 'superficially' affiliated with. They just identify more readily with their social base than they do with ordinary working class "Blacks", even including ordinary working class "Whites". In the past, relatively more well off "Black" figures or activists were actively engaged in the struggle to get "Blacks" equal access to and opportunity in the socio-economic institutions of the nation. So, reflecting on the days when blatant "segregationist" polices were enacted by the ruling layers of "Whites", we come across figures or activists like Malcom X, Mr. W.E.B. DuBois, Martin Luther King Jr., and so forth. Now that this era of the relatively more widespread and perhaps stronger Black American "civil rights" had gone by, and "segregationist" policies adopted by ruling "White" elites were eventually loosened, some "Blacks" who have since managed to get up to the upper echelons of the society [i.e. in terms of the socio-economic ladder], quickly put themselves in the position to adopt the basic credo that their "White" counterparts had been adhering to; i.e. first and foremost look out for their personal interest, and well, naturally their social base, since the basic interests of their social base converge, which to put it rather simply, is centered on 'capital' at the expense of the general working class people.
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quote:Originally posted by MyRedCow: I'm getting tired of all the DNA studies and racial division here on Egypt Search. Were the AEs Black? Who is lighter than whom? blah, blah, blah... It's sickening.
Let's get real. Really real.
I feel the same way. There is SO MUCH more to Ancient Egypt that we can learn to improve our lives in the 21st century but some people are only concerned about all that E3b blah. Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote: originally posted by Israel: I am surprised, I guess, to see Adam Powell's son being SO light-skinned
Yeah, his father looks like Idi Amin, suprise, suprise.
quote:originally posted by Myredcow: I am sick and tired of seeing these dark skinned people from Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt, Fulani tribe etc. talking about they are not Black. Give me a break. Y'all are ridiculous.
It all boils down to cultural and regional definitions, you cant expect the whole world to see things through the same lenses as in your home region. Infact judging by rational, if you consider Adam clayton powell "black",then i'm sorry its You who's on the lunatic end.
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Ultimately we were all Black...whether Europeans, Asians or Africans...Race doesn't exit and people spend too much time on skin color, especially Americans...and some Africans because of cultural and social reasons that's beyond scientific logic. But ultimately it's pointless since there is only one race: the human race...again, we were all Black. GambA
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^^dude, we're all technically Africans but that's as far as it goes.
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quote:It all boils down to cultural and regional definitions, you cant expect the whole world to see things through the same lenses as in your home region. Infact judging by rational, if you consider Adam clayton powell "black",then i'm sorry its You who's on the lunatic end.
There are cultural and regional differences. But, our world is becoming smaller. The Internet is quickening the pace. 100 years ago or 50 years ago, you would have been correct. But, not now.
The American and European definitions are becoming the world's standard as people interact. Television shows people around the world what others look like in places far away.
So, the guy in the Levant looks like the guy in Puerto Rico. The guy in Egypt looks like the guy in Harlem. The guy in India looks like the guy in Colombia. We are all merging into one global culture.
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It would be nice to wipe the slate clean, but matters of race, ethnicity, religion, culture, and so forth have always been with us. We've inherited them.
As far as Egypt is concerned, I think a forum like this is important to get to the truth after centuries of lies.
quote:Originally posted by Israel: Honestly RedCow, when I first studied AE in thrid grade, our teacher was showing us stuff about Egypt. Honestly, my first thought was: these people are BLACK! That was my first thought, honest to God! I was around 8 years old and I didn't know what I know now. Again, my first thought, without trying to analize, read, prove with facts, etc., my first thought was that those people are Black.
Shalom,
When I went to school as a young. I was told that the Ancient Egyptians were of the Red race. But, they looked me
One day while running through the schoolyard, I met this lightskinned Black girl with frizzy hair who looked like a relative of mine. I found out years later in high school that she was a Coptic Christian Egyptian. The White kids teased her for being Black. This was my first taste of the modern Egyptians.
Years have passed and I've encountered other modern Egyptians. Many being Jews and Coptic Christians. I had a big crush on a very paleskinned Coptic girl with naturally curly hair. Only a crush!!! She had very big hips. The few Egyptian girls have have met seem very big hips often bigger than African American women.
The modern Egyptians I've seen were either light to medium skinned Blacks or Hispanic looking people. I met one that looked just like Beyonce Knowles. She even had bigger hips!!! But, I'd never be with a woman speaking that language. no way.
African American women are the best Black women on Earth. I'd never be with an African woman from all I know now. I hate female circumcision. Yucky!! I'd rather have this:
or this
No African women all cut up below or wearing veils or tatooed faces.
This African American woman is the best!
Viva America Dios Bendiga A America
Happy Jewish New Year.
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^^LOL You're a funny dude. I co-sign your post though, you might want to check out Senegalese women before your write African women off. There are 'unreported' places in Africa with exquisite women, trust me and MOST African women are not circumcised.
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Redcow, I don't how to explain it except in Egypt we have a different notion of blackness/whiteness than in the United States. Modern Egyptians never went through the opressive situlations African-Americans went through so their color is not as emphasized. Yes, alot of Egyptians[especially Egyptian females] aspire to be white I guess because of the global white supremist culture. You will see advertisements right know during Ramadan about skin lighteners and billboards showing fair n lovely products.
You could also say that Egyptians and many northern Africans are melanophobes that see themselves superior to inner Africans. Most likely because of the historic slave trade and because of western influence. The Arab cultural influence might also be a factor.
All I can say is modern Egyptians range from very fair skinned to often very dark in places like Aswan. If I could compare modern Egytian phenotype to any country it would be to Puerto Rico;Dominican Republic,Brazil,or even Cape Verde.
Redcow, what would this man be considered in America:
Queen Latifah has a message to Condi Rice: Do something with that hair!
quote: "I mean, that's the true issue that America has to face. It's not North Korea. It ain't South Korea. It ain't Iran. It ain't Iraq. It's Condoleezza and can she get in my salon and can we really lay a hot comb to that head?"
^^I Couldn't agree more! The only one arguing about the degrees of 'blackness' are mixed-up minds like AMR and unfortuantely even YOU.
Egyptians were NOT African Americans or other blacks of the Western World. They were indigenous Africans. Some mixed-up minds try to argue that they have mixed ancestry, but the evidence just does not support this. Both genetics as well as anthropological remains!
GET OVER IT!!
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Please keep up with the scientific research: African Americans have some 17-18% non African ancestry on AVERAGE. (See research by Sriver and Kittles). But that AVERAGE is spread unevenly. According to Kittles some 27% of African Americans carry European Y DNA and only 5% carry European Mt.DNA. Obviously, and because of caste and racial reasons the European admixtures cluster in some 30% of African Americans. Note too that Shriver's and Kittles' numbers coincide with the fact that the vast majority of African Americans belong to the African E3a lineage.
But note two things: 1) an individual may carry an European or African Y or MtDNA haplotype but be strictly African or European phenotype. Examples: Kittles has a German Y haplotype but is strictly West African in phenotype; Shriver carries African and Native American DNA but looks European. 2)In this regard Europeans are 40% African DNA and 60% Eurasian DNA.
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If Northern Africans have any negative feelings towards Africans of dark-brown hue then it cannot be because of some "slave trade" because there was much more importation of European slaves into North Africa than those from tropical Africa. The historical evidence is easily accessible.
I believe that negative feelings from North Africans have to do with the fact that Western aesthetic standards are dominant these days--mainly because Europeans have invaded most areas of the world and have either exterminated indigenous populations or forced Western aesthetic values on the survivors. In other words, the more one looks like the invader and conquerer--despite his multiplicity of crimes, including genocide--the more one derives vicarious satisfaction or real advantages from being such.
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If Northern Africans have any negative feelings towards Africans of dark-brown hue then it cannot be because of some "slave trade" because there was much more importation of European slaves into North Africa than those from tropical Africa. The historical evidence is easily accessible.
I believe that negative feelings from North Africans have to do with the fact that Western aesthetic standards are dominant these days--mainly because Europeans have invaded most areas of the world and have either exterminated indigenous populations or forced Western aesthetic values on the survivors. In other words, the more one looks like the invader and conquerer--despite his multiplicity of crimes, including genocide--the more one derives vicarious satisfaction or real advantages from being such.
Yea blame the "europeans" Posts: 321 | From: t.o | Registered: May 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Herukhuti: You're a funny dude. I co-sign your post though, you might want to check out Senegalese women before your write African women off. There are 'unreported' places in Africa with exquisite women, trust me and MOST African women are not circumcised.
Herukhti,
If you must know, my very last 2 girlfriends looked like this. Very tall and very dark.
But, they lived too far away. My ancestry probably is from the region from Senegal to Liberia. But, no native African girls for me. Also, the woman has to have the right religion.
The two Black girls next door are like this:
Maybe, I am stupid. Although, dark meat sure feels good.
I'm one of the Black guys in my neighborhood still chasing sisters. The Dominicans and other Black Hispanics prefer.....
La cubana bella! Many Black men around me got girlfriends/wives like this...
So, maybe I'm stupid. Maybe, I'm too Black for my own good.
But, I really did enjoy mounting that dark flesh which was far away.
When most of the women in my area look like this.
or
Ay! Mami Ay! Que bonita!
Quizas, yo fui estupido. No estare' mas estupido.
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If Northern Africans have any negative feelings towards Africans of dark-brown hue then it cannot be because of some "slave trade" because there was much more importation of European slaves into North Africa than those from tropical Africa. The historical evidence is easily accessible.
I believe that negative feelings from North Africans have to do with the fact that Western aesthetic standards are dominant these days--mainly because Europeans have invaded most areas of the world and have either exterminated indigenous populations or forced Western aesthetic values on the survivors. In other words, the more one looks like the invader and conquerer--despite his multiplicity of crimes, including genocide--the more one derives vicarious satisfaction or real advantages from being such.
Actually, the negative views North Africans have against blacks in general, and not just from further south, have alot to do with the harmful effects of Arabization!
AMR1 is a perfect example of that. His self hate for anything that's 'pure' African manifests itself in his desperate attempt to "mix" up African ancestors from prehistoric times!!
In his case, Hotep is correct to say that he is a mind slave of the Arabs that conquered and colonised his land!
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Although I appreciate the eye candy, I seriously think this thread is going nowhere and is just more nonsense. (Ausar, close it)
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This an African American thread, sorry but most of the ladies and dudes you posted would be called white in Africa...let's go back to the continent.. GambA
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quote:Originally posted by GambA: Ultimately we were all Black...whether Europeans, Asians or Africans...Race doesn't exit. But ultimately it's pointless since there is only one race: the human race...again, we were all Black. GambA
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AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I love bantu comedy. this joke reminded me of def jam Posts: 234 | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:Originally posted by ausar: Redcow, I don't how to explain it except in Egypt we have a different notion of blackness/whiteness than in the United States. Modern Egyptians never went through the opressive situlations African-Americans went through so their color is not as emphasized.
Matter of fact, short of perhaps those Africans living abroad, much of Africa has a different idea of socio-ethnic constructs from those of Europeans or Americans.
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As far as now the majority of Africans call themselves Black...but I heard that some call themselves green...you should check in Sudan...and some other places around the Sahara...it can be weird sometime... GambA
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quote:Originally posted by GambA: As far as now the majority of Africans call themselves Black
This is based on what African-wide polling?
In several West African countries that I've been to, and the folks I've come into contact with, for instance, groups refer to one another by ethnic group names as opposed to 'skin' colour. In the Atlantic coast West African countries of The Gambia and Senegal, for example, even coastal African groups are generally referred to by ethnic names as opposed to skin tone.
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quote:Originally posted by GambA: As far as now the majority of Africans call themselves Black...but I heard that some call themselves green...you should check in Sudan...and some other places around the Sahara...it can be weird sometime... GambA
Maybe some and i emphasize some West, Central and South Africans might call themselves "black", but I doubt the rest of Africans call themselves black at all, not that they are not "black" or want to distance themselves, its just that its very very unlikely they call themselves "black", and thats a fact! Its very important to distinguish the racial attitude of western "blacks" including newly arrived Africans and the racial attitude of continetal Africans overall who are not much subject to western ideas.
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Let us please stick to fact, and not "hypotheticals".
Gamba, for example, name the African countries, many of which comprise multi-lingual speaking groups, where people go around calling themselves "black", "yellow", "white" and so forth.
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You correct, they call themselves as their ethnic tribe first...they don't even care what a Black African who leaves in the next country does...on that point you are right, but with respect to other groups like Arab, Europeans or Indian, they will refer themselves as Black, unless you have another definition, for that matter how a Somali would define himself with respect to non African with a very light skin:European or Arab or even Asian? GambA
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You correct, they call themselves as their ethnic tribe first...they don't even care what a Black African who leaves in the next country does...on that point you are right, but with respect to other groups like Arab, Europeans or Indian, they will refer themselves as Black, unless you have another definition, for that matter how a Somali would define himself with respect to non African with a very light skin:European or Arab or even Asian? GambA
Again, that would be contextual. The question may well boil down to whether it is the "European", "Arab" or what have you, is in the African nation, or vice versa? What do you think is the probable answer for the given scenario?
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