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i am curious does anyone know if there are any connections.
and who is more likely to have a connection to it lets say between a somal/ethiopian and black american.
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^ To answer your question, of course the Somali or Ethiopian would have greater connection since they retain their African culture. Most African Americans unfortunately have lost their African culture so you have an unfair comparison.
So what about the West African ancestors of African Americans??...
Well in that case you have plenty of connections. Like for example, divine-kingship where the king is viewed as a god such as the case of the Pharaoh was also held by West African peoples even up to today! Were there any divine kings in Ethiopia? What about Somalia??
Another connection would be wigs. The Egyptians wore their hair in braids like many Africans both in the Horn and in other parts of Africa, but they also wore wigs. Horn Africans do not wear wigs, at least that I know of, but West Africans do! They even wear artificial wigs made of plant fibers the same way Egyptians did which gave the false appearance of straight hair.
The Egyptians also practiced ancestor veneration keeping statues of their ancestors or deceased elders in their house. West Africans also do this. Do Horn Africans do this??
What else?...
Oh yes, in southern Egypt they have megalithic crop circles similar to Stonehenge in Europe but several thousand years older. There are similar structures in the deserts of West Africa. Why?...
Why all these connections??
Simple, because just as the Egyptians have some ancestry from further south in the Horn region, they also have ancestry from further west in the Sahara, which many West Africans also share.
So West Africans have about every much connection to Egyptians as do Horn Africans.
Some of these West Africans of course were transported to America because of slavery, but again because of slavery have their African culture and therefore cultural connection to Egypt. However, they of course still maintain their genetic connection to Egyptians still sharing lineages from the Sahara.
So there goes your answers. If you don't like these hard facts, then that's not our problem! Posts: 26239 | From: Atlanta, Georgia, USA | Registered: Feb 2005
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Note that issue of culture you mention in your above post can be a rather complicated matter. You can define culture in terms of "modes of production" or in terms of specific practices, etc. But cultures are always dynamic in one way or another. Consider urban and literate descendants of rural peoples world-wide. Values, beliefs, general life styles would be different. Or consider the case of an aetheistic Jew who speaks no Hebrew but feels strongly connected with Israel and feels that its continued existence is the most important thing in the world.
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^ I am aware of that lamin, but the topic is about connections in general both cultural as well as genetic.
It's a pretty establishe fact that West Africans have as much connection to Egypt as East Africans including those in the Horn. And African Americans as descendants of West Africans still have greater connection to Egypt than do whites.
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Well, Djehuti, I kinda see where you're coming from, but then again, not really West Africans, the ancestors of black amwricans, were little, if any, influenced by Ancient Egypt, whetehr it be by migration or whatever.....they werent even part of the same language family, although they did share some common broad traits due to distant saharan ancestry, like ya said . And why do us blacks in America need to obsess over Ancient egypt like it was the only african civilization, there were a plethora of others like Mali, Zimbabwe, Yoruba, the list keeps getting bigger .
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quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: Well, Djehuti, I kinda see where you're coming from, but then again, not really West Africans, the ancestors of black amwricans, were little, if any, influenced by Ancient Egypt, whetehr it be by migration or whatever.....they werent even part of the same language family, although they did share some common broad traits due to distant saharan ancestry, like ya said . And why do us blacks in America need to obsess over Ancient egypt like it was the only african civilization, there were a plethora of others like Mali, Zimbabwe, Yoruba, the list keeps getting bigger .
I think it's Eurocentric thinking that people have a hard time escaping from, that is focusing on Egypt like it's the only African Civilization
White supremacists are still attributing Sub-Saharan Civilization and culture to outsiders like Arabs, Mali was Arab until they let blacks be in charge then it fell and the churches and castles in Ethiopia were built by Arabs, a Nazi told me so. Also Kush was civilized by Nordic Egyptians
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quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: West Africans, the ancestors of black amwricans, were little, if any, influenced by Ancient Egypt, whetehr it be by migration or whatever.....
Evergreen Writes:
This is completly inaccurate. The written word and religious beliefs such as Islam, Judaism and Christianity originate in AE and have profound influence on West Africa.
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The Civilizations of west Africa need to become as common knowledge as that of the pre-Columbian Americas, when people no longer think Africa was stuck in the stone age it will be easier for people to accept that Egypt was African
quote:1) Spread knowledge about advanced African kingdoms and black inventors and scientists who have helped shape and change our world. This will reduce the belief that there are innate differences between people of different colors and ethnicities. 2) Get the real African history into our classrooms when appropriate. Many schools cover the advanced kingdoms of Europe, Asia, the Middle East and the Americas, but focus only on the most primitive people in Africa; ignoring Africa’s advanced civilizations, which better represent the continent. Africa’s most primitive people—the Bushman, Pygmies, and Maasai—make up less than .001% of Africa’s population, yet those are who we see the most on TV, in movies, in magazines, etc. 3) Act as watchdogs History books, encyclopedias, TV documentaries, movies, and the like often don’t include the advanced kingdoms of Africa and black inventors and scientists. They will list the ethnicity--Scottish-America, German-America, for instance--of a white inventor, but not say when an inventor is black; we have to make sure this practice stops. Furthermore, encyclopedias may only have 2 paragraphs on an advanced African kingdom, but have 4 pages on a similar non-African kingdom. That must change.
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quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: [qb] West Africans, the ancestors of black amwricans, were little, if any, influenced by Ancient Egypt, whetehr it be by migration or whatever.....
but there must have been Egyption inluence in west Africa, don't some cultures hold the ram as a sign of diviniy just like Egypt
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quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: Well, Djehuti, I kinda see where you're coming from, but then again, not really West Africans, the ancestors of black amwricans, were little, if any, influenced by Ancient Egypt, whetehr it be by migration or whatever.....they werent even part of the same language family, although they did share some common broad traits due to distant saharan ancestry, like ya said . And why do us blacks in America need to obsess over Ancient egypt like it was the only african civilization, there were a plethora of others like Mali, Zimbabwe, Yoruba, the list keeps getting bigger .
And you know what; Black African groups like the Yoruba remember almost all the Ancient Kemetians deities (401 of them) by name and purpose and still practice and observe these deities till this day. And that's just a small part of the many examples and mysteries even people like you can't answer.
You are also wrong about any Black person or group including African Americans obsessing over Ancient Egypt. No group of people on this plant has been more obsessed over Ancient Kemet and other people’s cultures like White Europeans. Ancient Kemet is an important part of Black history. I was important enough for White specialist to attempt writing it out of history and more Black people should be intellectually conscience of their ancient past while absorbing all the health benefits which come with such knowledge including, solid self-esteem, sense of ancestral/heritage accomplishment and tremendous contributions to human development which will all lead the better handling of minor but qualified racist views like yours.
Because Ancient Kemetians were Black Africans from beginning to end, it a truth which must be distributed with mandatory priority amongst Black people in Africa and out. In turn, because truth is good thing to be obsessed over, there is nothing wrong with having intimate knowledge of one’s historical past. Because you express regret and wrongly propose that African Americans are “obsess over Ancient egypt like it was the only african civilization”, it shows not only how wrong your blanket statements are, but also shows just how racist ignorance can blind one.
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^ Kemson, could you please verify this claim of Yorubans "remembering" Egyptian dieties?
You seem to have the same fallacy that Wally does-- that African groups in West Africa as well as Central Africa (Tutsi) are descended from Egyptians when there is no evidence of such a thing.
quote:Originally posted by Obelisk_18: Well, Djehuti, I kinda see where you're coming from, but then again, not really West Africans, the ancestors of black amwricans, were little, if any, influenced by Ancient Egypt, whetehr it be by migration or whatever.....they werent even part of the same language family, although they did share some common broad traits due to distant saharan ancestry, like ya said .
First of all, I never said that West African cultures had any "influence" from Egypt, or that any West Africans were descended from Egyptian migrants! I merely said they are connected through common origins in the Sahara during Mesolithic times!!
Second, you are incorrect to say West Africans were not part of the same language family as Egyptians, when some West Africans groups were! While most langauges spoken in West Africa were Niger-Congo, there were and still are plenty of Afrasian speaking peoples like the Hausa whose langauges not surprisingly bear many similarities to Egyptian.
quote:And why do us blacks in America need to obsess over Ancient egypt like it was the only african civilization, there were a plethora of others like Mali, Zimbabwe, Yoruba, the list keeps getting bigger .
I believe the other folks answered that question. It has very much to do with Westerners obsessing over Egypt and giving the false impression that Egypt was the only high culture in Africa, or heck that it was even an Afrian culture at all.
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E3a left the Nile valley well before the Naqada periods. In fact it was E3b before it left and mutated into E3a. There's no evidence of the genetic connections between AA and AE.
If African Americans are studying Ancient Egypt to claim it as their heritage, it would be the same as a person of Sottish heritage claiming the Greek civilization but even less so. At least in Greece there's a high frequency of R1b. Where's the genetic evidence of E3a West Africans in Egypt? Plenty of J1 and J2.
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I was talking about Mali once over the internet and someone who thought I was black said he'd look into it but Egypt was great "shouldn't I be proud of that". I'm convinced it's a Eurocentric trap, west Africa has many great Civilizations and shouldn't be ignored or attributed to Egyptions or Arabs traveling to the area.
For example Kushites were influenced by Egypt but fiercely held onto their own non Egyptian identity and culture
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Can someone please explain the dynamics of genetic testing which would lead one to believe that there was no relationship between West African and East Africans?
Abyssinian's and Ethiopians are not the same thing or people so the modern people known as Ethiopians have absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Ethiopians or now what is now known as Sudanese.
I personally think it is funny when those who claim to be exceptional in knowledge do not acknowledge the fact that genetics are another form of divide an concur. How can you profess to have legit knowledge of who the ancient people are if you don't have no real genetic foundation of who and what the ancient Egyptians were.
Genetic research cannot identify or make correct testimonies as to who the ancient Egyptians were genetically because of the aging process. Ethiopians today really have nothing to do with the Ethiopians of yesterday. Modern day Sudanese are more related to AE's then modern Ethiopians.
Where do modern day AA's fit into this diagram? I really don't know but based on European records of slaves ... AA's have more in common with the ancient Egyptians then modern day Ethiopians. The slaves of that day mentioned names that were of East African decent ... and called them their forefather through recorded histories.
Now don't get me wrong ... I don't see the connection, but do to historical records .. AA's have more in common with ancient Egypt then what many Africans and Europeans would like to sponsor.
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quote:Originally posted by markellion: I was talking about Mali once over the internet and someone who thought I was black said he'd look into it but Egypt was great "shouldn't I be proud of that". I'm convinced it's a Eurocentric trap, west Africa has many great Civilizations and shouldn't be ignored or attributed to Egyptions or Arabs traveling to the area.
For example Kushites were influenced by Egypt but fiercely held onto their own non Egyptian identity and culture
How do you know that their really isn't a relationship between WA and EA's? I like to argue the fact that WA's have their own accomplishments ... but I base this off of modern social geographical separations. Who said in the ancient times that WA and EA was not one places? Where was the marker of separation of East and West in the ancient times? Or was there one?
Was the separation n Tunis or Senegal? The ancient Historians called all black people Ethiopians which meant the whole continent of Africa ...
Please explain the ancient separation of ancient Ethiopia ... besides ...Abyssinia...
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R U 2 religious, what the hell do you mean today's Ethiopians have nothing to do with Ethiopians of the past? They are descended from them! And how are we African Americans more connected to Egypt than today's Ethiopians? Last time I checked African Americans didn't exist until a few 100 years ago. Ancient Egyptian civilization declined thousands and thousands of years before African slaves came to the Americas. What an idiot.
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E3a left the Nile valley well before the Naqada periods.
According to what?
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In fact it was E3b before it left and mutated into E3a.
What are you basing this on, that E3a derives from E3b?
Yes, they both derive from the PN2 transition, rendering them very close in a manner that can be akin to siblings, so to speak.
Is not possible that E3a [chromosomes sharing M2, P1 mutations for example] split from a PN2 chromosome devoid of the M215 (E3b) mutation, while the M215 [and associated M35 mutation] mutation occurred in another E3 chromosome? Remember, these mutations supposedly occurred in single ancestral individuals in pre-history.
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Where's the genetic evidence of E3a West Africans in Egypt? Plenty of J1 and J2.
Better question would be: Where's the genetc evidence of E3a in Egypt?
True, that the populations predominantly harboring these lineages, are found in West Africa all the way to southern Africa, but this doesn't imply that these are the regions where the mutation arose. Remember, people do move, and aren't static objects. Having said that, that evidence had been presented years ago here, and recently here: E3a mapPosts: 1947 | Registered: Sep 2005
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quote:Abyssinian's and Ethiopians are not the same thing or people so the modern people known as Ethiopians have absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Ethiopians or now what is now known as Sudanese.
Who were they then(i.e. the Abyssinians)?
quote: Ethiopians today really have nothing to do with the Ethiopians of yesterday. Modern day Sudanese are more related to AE's then modern Ethiopians.
What major event of admixture or mass exodus that occured among these "Ethiopians" makes you say this?
quote:Where do modern day AA's fit into this diagram? I really don't know but based on European records of slaves ... AA's have more in common with the ancient Egyptians then modern day Ethiopians. The slaves of that day mentioned names that were of East African decent ... and called them their forefather through recorded histories.
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Ebony Allen ... first and foremost ... I don't sound like a lunatic ... New booty sit back and reread what I'm saying ... before opening your mouth ...
Secondly ... it is obvious that my post was taken out of context ... so let me restate my previous post.
1# Ancient Ethiopia was supposed to be south of Egypt. This is real simple ... there is nothing hard about this statement. Here is a good article to read which states my position on this this quote:
quote:Abyssinian's and Ethiopians are not the same thing or people so the modern people known as Ethiopians have absolutely nothing to do with the ancient Ethiopians or now what is now known as Sudanese.
quote:Where do modern day AA's fit into this diagram? I really don't know but based on European records of slaves ... AA's have more in common with the ancient Egyptians then modern day Ethiopians. The slaves of that day mentioned names that were of East African decent ... and called them their forefather through recorded histories.
The bold words were a terrible selection of words to use. This is not what I'm trying to say. What I was trying to get across is that based on records that can be found about the AA people ... there were many who's cultures mirrored that of Egyptians and Yisra`elites. Its that simple ... I should not have used the term ... or statement ... that is found in bold letters ... that is not what I meant or even believe ...
Do I believe that AA's previous to what we call our culture now had a lot in common with the ancient Egyptians and Yisra`elites? Of course and that is based on European records of slavery and the customs of African who were enslaved to the America's. I believe many of them were Muslims ... Moors ... and West Africans period ... but I do believe that there were some Egyptians and Yisra`elites that migrated westward who were also caught up in the slave trades ...
There is no proof that there wasn't a migration out of East to the West and vis versa.
3# Another point that I was making is that I do not agree with the modern maps of Africa and the division that was forced on Africa period. I was asking or even saying ... all of Africa was more united then what modern maps make it. This is seen in the cultural alikeness amongst African.
basically because of the cultural similarities, they had to have traveled and communicated with each other. It seems that most people are more comfortable with the ideal that East Africans would travel further East (i.e. Mesopotamia and even further) then to ever set foot in West Africa. This train of thinking is what makes West Africans and East Africans so different when there isn't a lot of differences. People are more comfortable with Africa being East and West ... but Africa was whole prior to the divide and conquer masters ...
Now to take a small amount of African Americans and do dna testing on them doesn't speak for the majority.
West Africans are WA's and that is what I believe AA's are from, but I do believe that there were migrations from East Africa to West Africa and those that migrated to West Africa had been there for hundreds if not thousands of years which makes them West Africans. It is the same with Africans that were forced to move to the Americas.
They are Africans in America which is why I like the name AA. They are Americans because that is where they live ... but it doesn't take away the fact that they are Africans. Same with populations from West Africa migrating East and vis versa.
Its not hard to figure out what I was saying ... really!
Lunatic is a statement that shouldn't be used and there was nothing about my post that represent lunacy. Research what I'm saying or ask me to show documentation or something to verify my beliefs before putting labels on me. You don't know me from a can of paint and I don't know you so I require respect ... which is the same that I will give you.
P.S. nur ... you asked do I see the hypocrisy of my statement. No ... I believe that there were many ancient Egyptians who migrated to what is now known as Ethiopia ... I believe that many people living in modern day Ethiopia are the original inhabitants. The Egyptian culture was also adopted by many surrounding nations ... even as far as to the Greeks.
America is a prime example of this ... the most power nation of any era ... surrounding nations try to immolate them. Egypt was the Most powerful nation of its time and surround nations adopted many of their belief and techniques of doing things.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^ Kemson, could you please verify this claim of Yorubans "remembering" Egyptian dieties?
First of, there is no such thing as "Yorubans". Show some repect. The Yoruba are reffered to as: "Yourba" in singular for sure and plural(as far as I know), "Yoruba people", or "Yoruba Tribe" and their language is also called: "Yoruba".
I have no idea what prompted you to reffer to them as "Yorubans". Hopefully, it was a typo.
Below is a minute selection of links on my links archive. If none are working let me know as I have the source contents all backed up to an alternative database and server(s).
2) "http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-8537(1961)2%3A2%3C311%3AAEAMA%3E2.0.CO%3B2-7" (sorry EgyptSearch does not allow paranthesis within links, so just copy and past)
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^ Well excuse me for the typo (anglicized habit of adding an 'n' in regards to the name of a people). I hope you realize that calling the Yoruba a 'tribe' is also erroneous and even a racist pejorative as African groups like Yoruba are NOT tribes but ethnicities. And yes, I actually know some Yoruba people personally as well as Igbo.
By the way, your references still do not show anything substantial regarding Yoruba deities being related to Egyptian. All they seem to prove is an African commonality in general and not that Yoruba inherited these beliefs from Egyptians or anyone from the Nile Valley.
To Osirius, E3a did not derive from E3b but both dervie from E3 and so are siblings. I don't know what that has to do though with shared Saharan ancestries between Egyptians and West Africans which occurred after the mentioned PN derivatives.
By the way, I notice that the author of this thread is silent on the very topic he started yet loud concerning other ridiculous and irrelevant personal issues of his. It is duely noted. To everyone else, I don't know what the whole deal is in regards to Ethiopia and Sudan. Ancient Ethiopia was the name placed on *all* of Africa by the Greeks including Egypt. Later after Greek and then Roman colonization of Egypt, the name was then limited to 'Nubia', south of Egypt. We know through archaeology that the Egyptians definitely shared a kinship with some peoples in Sudan. We have a thread here which confirms this kinship in Ethiopia and other parts of the Horn. So I don't know what all the fuss is about.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: By the way, your references still do not show anything substantial regarding Yoruba deities being related to Egyptian. All they seem to prove is an African commonality in general and not that Yoruba inherited these beliefs from Egyptians or anyone from the Nile Valley.
The links I provided you where excellent!!! Maybe not satisfying to you this time, but are excellent with references to books you can buy and follow up on research.
Commonsense usually tells one when more than a few thousands of Bantu language content, spiritual and cultural practices matches that of an ancient people in the same area (continent), just as the theory of "African commonality" is assumed, so can a complete genetic relationship of the people. In fact, the linguistic proof is more than enough to make a genetic connection between the Yoruba and Ancient Kemet. Since you know Yoruba and Igbo people personally, this should help you in verifying anything terms you discover.
If you are looking for DNA results, I don’t have too much of that. In addition, European specialist who are Ancient Kemetians fanatics (ex: Germans stashing 90 ancient human remains and attempting to trade them), have all the materials they need to run the appropriate tests. To me, the CHM (Cohen Modal Haplotype) theory, which terms like E3a and E3b are based is erroneous, theoretic nonsense born out of Jewish religious attempts to use genetic theories in establishing links between people and mythical characters (which is ridiculous). Reverting to pure scientific bases of genetic DNA studies and/or anthropological discipline is all you need to prove genetic connections between the Yoruba their ancestors from Ancient Kemet. Similar to what was done with the fake King Tutu-Ankoma’s 3D reconstruction (except with more trusting efforts), where multiple institutions were asked to present their forensic reconstruction results from the alleged Pharaoh’s skeletal scans, the Germans can easily present tiny sample fragments of the 90 mummies they have in their possession to professional independent labs in Africa, South America, China and the usual regions (Europe, US), for testing and comparison to Black Africans in West Africa to see if they genetically match. For now, I believe one or more threads dealing with the issues of genetic relationship between Black Africans in West Africa and Ancient Kemet exists. One of these threads simply details that Kemetian Pharaohs were found to have Benin Haplotype sickle cell trait and is quoted as saying:
“Egyptian Pharoahs were found to have Benin Haplotype (HBS) sickle cell trait, the Benin Haplotype sickle cell trait shows up with a frequency of 70% amongst Afrikan Americans.” You can view the link here titled Are the Egyptians the Direct Ancestor of Many Afro-Americans (I think it is almost safe for me to claim to to say that every Igbo and Yoruba man, woman and child share Benin blood.)
Also, the use Osteology (not Craniology) tests should, at least, solidify the fact that Ancient Kemetians were Black Africans. From there, we can move on.
Finally, while you’re at it, you can also ask the Igbo people or person you know to verify the Ancient Kemetian language contents which survive in the Igbo language today found here on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igbo_peoplePosts: 213 | From: New York City, USA | Registered: Sep 2007
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: To Osirius, E3a did not derive from E3b but both dervie from E3 and so are siblings. I don't know what that has to do though with shared Saharan ancestries between Egyptians and West Africans which occurred after the mentioned PN derivatives.
Evergreen Writes:
Ancient Egyptians and West Africans both share in the common E3a haplogroup. This is likely due to a common neolithic Saharan heritage.
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: R U 2 religious, what the hell do you mean today's Ethiopians have nothing to do with Ethiopians of the past? They are descended from them! And how are we African Americans more connected to Egypt than today's Ethiopians? Last time I checked African Americans didn't exist until a few 100 years ago. Ancient Egyptian civilization declined thousands and thousands of years before African slaves came to the Americas. What an idiot.
P.S. Please and I mean it from the bottom of my heart go to college first - I mean your only 17 to 18 years of age. You can't just get your education from the internet, you have to actually buy books research and create a strong foundation for yourself. One of your hobbies is to surf the internet is not good enough and secondly, I know how the education system is down south so I know that they are cheating you on your education.
Before trying to fit in and make foolish comments I think ample research is in order. I'm not trying to bash on your or make war, I'm just saying that you have to research more.
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quote:Originally posted by Ebony Allen: R U 2 religious, what the hell do you mean today's Ethiopians have nothing to do with Ethiopians of the past? They are descended from them! And how are we African Americans more connected to Egypt than today's Ethiopians? Last time I checked African Americans didn't exist until a few 100 years ago. Ancient Egyptian civilization declined thousands and thousands of years before African slaves came to the Americas. What an idiot.
If far more effective to dwell in the intellectual world of objectivity than ever resorting to outright insults. Besides, it is far more fun to use critical intellectual thinking with sharpened intuition than name calling. Posts: 213 | From: New York City, USA | Registered: Sep 2007
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quote:Originally posted by R U 2 religious: Where do modern day AA's fit into this diagram? I really don't know but based on European records of slaves ... AA's have more in common with the ancient Egyptians then modern day Ethiopians. The slaves of that day mentioned names that were of East African decent ... and called them their forefather through recorded histories.
Now don't get me wrong ... I don't see the connection, but do to historical records .. AA's have more in common with ancient Egypt then what many Africans and Europeans would like to sponsor.
1. African Americans are not Egyptians and there is no relationship between the two. They are indeed, of African origin.
2. If African American want to know their roots or ancient past, the best bet is to go back to their origin(s) in West Africa.
3. Shared haplotypes are not necesarily shared culture. Groups such Melanesians, Turks, Iraqi Jews, Somali or Fulbe may share, for example U6 but that does not mean one can assume a Somali is automatically a Turk or Fulbe. The shared cultural identity within the specific group is the major key that hold their identity together and NOT the haplogroup association.
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When the Arabs reached West Africa's Sahelian region and crossed the Senegal River, they called the Senegal the Nile and it's refered to the Nile in countless texts.
These areas share a common architecture.
Sudan
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quote:I know how the education system is down south so I know that they are cheating you on your education.
r u from the south? r u 2 religious
quote:If African American want to know their roots or ancient past, the best bet is to go back to their origin(s) in West Africa
In culture they would have to go back to the foundations of the modern southeastern united states which is an uncovered amalgamation of the indigenous cultures and africans and europeans which is the bases for the african american culture of today that which people emulate today. This is the roots of the group because the native american were not calling themselves americans except the " five civilized nations "and the africans born in america were established in their new homes while their circumstances helped produce a new and distinct culture which is either hated or admired to this day. african american culture, whether it is southern californian or mid-west or east coast starts in the southeast. From the dialect to the personalities. almost all the figures were of southern stock. If we skip this and go straight to west africa we would have to take out alot from their culture.
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