This word doesn't necessarily mean "urban", but does refer to places related to income...
nway (ንዋይ) money, capital (n.) (Amarigna)
As the Tigrigna -t ending can indicate plural and feminine (possibly because babies come out of females), in this case the plural form of nway would be newyat.
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So far, it is impossible for Kemet to mean "black", and therefore cannot mean "black land" nor "black people", even though he attempts to make dabo hecha to mean "white land" (in order to imply the Ancient Egyptians referred to their soil in term of color), which it does not.
Look at it this way, even if his notion is that Kemet is supposed to mean "black people", then why didn't he say dabo hecha means "white people"? So he's not making sense at all. At least he should be consistent.
Plus, suggesting the hieroglyph he refers to means, "charcoal", as some kind of proof that Kem means "black" and therefore refers to "black people", plays into the ridiculous lie that in ancient Greek the word Ethiopia means people with "burnt faces", which is also does not.
Additionally, all Africans are not black in color, in addition to the fact that when you shine a bright light onto the skin of many who appear to be of a black color, you see they are actually brown. So then, why would brown people refer to themselves as black? Makes no sense.
In his part 2, I hope he'll bring up the so-called "red land", so that I can address the so-called word, "red", which does not actually mean "red".
"Deshret, from Ancient Egyptian, was the formal name for the Red Crown of Lower Egypt. The Egyptian pharaohs... wore the deshret to symbolize their authority over Lower Egypt." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deshret
"Neith... a borrowing of the Demotic form Ancient Egyptian: nt, likely originally nrt", acccording to the Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neith ), her name was Mirtnesh (ምርት ነሽ) and means "you are harvest"...
Below we see Queen Mirtnesh. She was the original founder and queen of the Yafo/Dead Sea large-scale farming region of Lower Egypt. Below we can see her wearing the red crown...
The crown is actually the shape of a red grain floret awn, as we see below...
As she was a farmer as well as a rancher, with sound change, the [T] pronunciation in her name interchanged with the [D] pronunciation to become, Marednesh, from the word mared (ማረድ) to kill, to slaughter...
So, the Egyptologist-transliterated word, Deshret does not mean "red". We can see the hieroglyph for Tisha below...
We can see the reference to the word Tisha in the Rosetta Stone. In the 196BC passage, the ancient Greeks were complaining that the Egyptian military guarding the Tisha farms were rebelling and refusing to leave their guard posts there, which prevented the ancient Greeks from plundering the Tisha farms...
We can see the word Tisha in hieroglyphs below, a word that means countryside...
Therefore, since the Egyptologist-transliterated word, Deshret does not mean "red" and in fact is Tisha/"bush,countryside", it does not refer to either the color of land, and so does not mean Red Land. And, likewise, does not mean red people, either.
This eliminates any correlation to the idea Kemet referring to either black land or people, since there is no such white land nor red land.
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You are entitled to your opinion.
I don't retranslate.
I translate directly from primary sources as much as possible when available to me and use standard lexicons and dictionaries and thus stand on the accuracy of my translation only per the language the people producing a document spoke in day to day life.
They wrote exactly what they meant without reference to languages from elsewhere, period.
I haven't responded negatively to your retranslations Afford my translation the same due respect, thank you.
I don't retranslate Shakespeare based on Germanic French Latin or Greek meanings of similarly spelled words. AEL was written long before any anachronistic comparative lect which similarities are logged in every scholastic lexicon. And black scholars have in print examined lexemes of their languages to AEL ones like you who has produced it for Ethiopian Semitic languages -- as there are plenty Cushitic Omotic Nilotic native speakers.
architects UahKa family founding or included in several dynasties. As good an AE related Ethiopian ethnic group as any, and afaik, less if at all effected by cross the Red Sea migrant women 3000 years gone. Personally I think the shores of Red Sea/Aden were just two sides of a Two Shore Empire Habesh founded more than 3000 yrs ago. Perhaps it was just an upswing in Yemen to Itiopi ongoing travel (not migration). Both claim Maqeda/Bilqis as their very own greatest queen after all.
If only legendary she still attests to a Two Shore Empire in the popular 'Itiopi-Yamani' mind. True, no strong argument, that.
Sound exchange is nothing new
Consider lip produced sound exchanges.
* pail * bail * mail * wail
* fail * veil
are not interchangeable in meaning though Volkswagen and FolksWagon have v/f and e/o correspondences German to English with meaning intact. It doesn't change into a different word of imprecise correlation.
I'm not about to enter into debate with anyone A master at debate could successfully argue me down that water isn't wet but in a level discussion that premise is stillborn regardless non-liquid fluids vapor steam or the solid ice.
I wish you well with your endeavors. However, your work does not correct mine or the scholars unnamed who considered and agreed with it.
To each his own.
km/kmt = black as primary definition. Like most words it has secondary and even tertiary meanings in AEL, ditto dSrt. km perfectly describes black people depended on Itiopi source Black Nile black inundation silt be they in Kush Sudan or Ta Meri Egypt.
Likewise niwt. A place where people have settled and improved the land or also a "community" will always be its most used meanings. Seemingly to the extent niwt suffixed places rep Egyptian domains in contradistinction to xAst mostly for foreign placenames.
quote:Originally posted by Tukuler: However, your work does not correct mine or the scholars unnamed who considered and agreed with it.
Just for the record, I hadn't read anybody's posts, except the initial post of the video by Narmer Menes. So, I was only commenting on the information provided by the host of "Truth and Lies," based upon his specific arguments.
My issue was the host of "Truth and Lies" attempted to show there was some pattern of the ancient Egyptian calling their land different colors. And he presented his evidence of that with "white land" when it turns out that was really "white bread."
But then, he said it was not the land that was described in terms of color, but the people. And later, he did not correct his implication that "white land" then would have been "white people."
He was very selective in which definitions he changed for his argument.
I'm well aware of the concept that Kemet is supposed to refer to either "Black Land" or "Black People." I just don't have an opinion, which is why I personally never published anything on it between my 23 books. I won't publish anything until I'm 99.9% sure.
But the host cannot make erroneous claims based on evidence that doesn't exist. Therefore, I wasn't arguing against anything you or anyone else posted, since I never read anyone's posts in this topic yet, except the original post featuring the link to the video.
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As I have discussed in Aaluja Vol. II (2020: 316-320), 1) the ancient Egyptian language is built from monosyllabic CV roots (which nullifies the argument that Egyptian is Amharic or Tigrinya), and 2) the word dSr.t refers to a type of barren land: a land without water and vegetation.
The word dSr.t is built off a √S root, with a d- prefix, and -r and -t suffixes. This √S root has to deal with "deprivation" and "emptiness." To demonstrate that d- is a prefix, we observe, for example:
Sr "threaten" d.Sr "angry" d.Sr.w "wrath"
The d- prefix is a nominalizer on the verb. The root √S, dealing with barrenness and emptiness can be seen in the following:
Sw "emptiness, absence" Sw "be empty, be lacking, be devoid (of), be missing (from), to be vacant, unload (ship)" s.Sw.j "make empty" Sw.t "empty sheet of papyrus" tp Sw "ruin, neglect, decay"
Other variants of the word has the -w suffix prefixed. For example:
wS "to be empty of; to be destroyed" wS "(vacant) place; space; interruption"
The concept of being "empty" and "barren" leads to words meaning "poverty." We observe:
Sw "needy man, poor man" Sw.A "to be poor" [-A verbal suffix] Sw.A "to become impoverished" Sw.A.w "poverty" [-w suffix of abstraction] Sw.A.t "impoverishment"
These terms apply to words dealing with "dryness" as can be seen from the following:
Egyptian also has a -r verbal suffix as well as a -r nominal suffix. The verbal suffix is present in the word Sr "to stop, to block up" and is related to ciLuba-Bantu shawula "stunted, to degenerate, to diminish, prevent the growth or development" > di.shala "to remain behind, be underdeveloped." This is what underlies the word dSr.t "desert." It is a place where the growth of life has been halted, stunted. When the S-r root is prefixed with d- in Egyptian, we get the following:
We know that d- is a prefix because the same root also has reflexes with the w- prefix. We observe the following:
w.Sr "dry; wither; absence; lacking; be bald" w.Sr "to dry; to parch" w.Sr "to be absent; to lack" w.Sr "dry land; dry area" w.Sr.t "dry land"
The words wSr/wSr.t and dSr.t are variations on the same theme and root: i.e., S-r. The theme is "absence of water, life, and vegetation." A dSr.t is defined by its LACK of life sustaining resources. The cognate in ciLuba-Bantu is di.Shila "being burnt, desertification" ~ di.shil "parched land." Notice in Egyptian that the -w in Sw "dry land, drought" is replaced with -r in w.Sr "dry land, dry area; to dry, to parch." Notice the correlation between "empty" and "dry" as evident by the words sSw.j "make dry" and sSw.j "make empty." A desert is a land that is "dry" and "empty."
This root has nothing to do with being "red" and the dichotomy between km.t and dSr.t has to do with presence of [+WATER][+VEGETATION] and the absence of [-WATER][-VEGETATION], respectively.
As always, these debates go on forever because people do not want to study the language in depth. There is no "black" vs. "red" land dichotomy. Only the presence of "water" vs. the absence of "water." This is why 99% of all the forms of the word Km.t have classifiers depicting WATER in the form of irrigation canals. When we learn the language, and quit trying to make it Semitic, we learn a lot. Good day people.
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quote:Originally posted by Narmer Menes: The video also dispels the Nubian Myth by explaining that Egypt was a term used ONLY to describe the Delta region of Kemet, occupied by the Greeks. Kemet referred to the entire region of Egypt/Nubia and there is NO notable distinction used exclusively for the region that we now call Egypt.
In the Rosetta Stone, the ancient Greeks referred to Egypt with 4 different names and in different contexts.
Below are four instances of Kemet using two different hieroglyphs...
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Below are references to Ta Mer-t. Unlike the refences to Kemet, these all use the same hieroglyphic reference... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Finally, below are the references to Egypt as Baq-t, also like Kemet using two different versions of the hieroglyphic reference... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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What strikes me is the difference between the hieroglyphic references to Kemet and Baq-t...
Kemet: has what appears to be a river bank in the hieroglyph, which I would think refers to Upper Egypt (south Egypt), where the markets primarily were in the Nile Valley
Baq-t: has what appears to be a farming region or Lower Egypt (north Egypt), where the fighting was occurring over control of the Tisha Yafo/Dead Sea region that included today's Jordan, Israel and possibly Syria (i.e., "Avenger of Baq-t")
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In terms of Ta Mer-t, the reference to the "Egyptian month of Mekheir", it is obvious this is a reference to all of Egypt, Upper and Lower, since both obviously share a single month.
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In terms of whether all of Egypt was Kemet, as Ta Mer-t appears to have been, we have a reference that includes Kemet...
"And he hath made provision that forces of cavalry and infantry, and ships also, should be dispatched against those who were about to invade Kemet, both by sea and land, incurring great expenditure in money and grain so that the temples and all who were in the country might be in a state of security."
This sentence leads me to believe that Kemet was the Nile Valley, possibly including the Nile Delta. I think this because it was the ancient Greeks in the Delta and Nile Valley who needed security.
Soldiers were guarding the Tisha Lower Egyptian region of the Yafo, Dead Sea region, so it was sicure. And I don't believe the Egyptian military guarding the Tisha had any reason to leave it to attack the ancient Greeks in the Nile Valley/Delta, since leaving the Tisha would leave the Tisha/Yafo, Dead Sea farming region vulnerable to ancient Greek military attack.
So, I really think the so-called invasion threat was a lie and part of the propaganda of the ancient Greeks, written to make the ancient Egyptians believe the ancient Greeks were there to protect them.
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"Akhmim (Arabic: أخميم, pronounced [ʔæxˈmiːm]; Akhmimic Coptic: ⳉⲙⲓⲙ, pronounced [xmiːm]; Sahidic/Bohairic Coptic: ϣⲙⲓⲛ pronounced [ʃmiːn]) is a city in the Sohag Governorate of Upper Egypt. Referred to by the ancient Greeks as Khemmis or Chemmis (Ancient Greek: Χέμμις) and Panopolis (Ancient Greek: Πανὸς πόλις), it is located on the east bank of the Nile, four miles (6.4 km) to the northeast of Sohag."
Akhmim was known in Ancient Egypt as Ipu, Apu (according to Brugsch the name is related to the nearby village of Kafr Abou) or Khent-min. It was the capital of the ninth (Chemmite) nome of Upper Egypt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhmim
Could A-kem-im = Kem-t?[/b]
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quote:Originally posted by Asar Imhotep: the word dSr.t refers to a type of barren land: a land without water and vegetation.
The word Tisha means "bush" and as a region, "the bush" or "countryside."
T'sha (ጥሻ) bush, shrub (n.) (Amarigna)
It refers to the Yafo, Dead Sea region of Lower Egypt, which is desert littered with almost nothing other than bushes. You can see it in the photo below...
Mosada, Negev Desert, Israel
This photo from Mosada in the Israel Negev Desert shows it does have vegetation -- bushes/shrubbery. Prior to ancient Egyptians farming in the areas surrounding the Dead Sea, all there was were bushes/shrubbery like these shown in the photo.
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The color of the red crown is red because the crown represents the shape of a red grain floret awn. But the name of the red crown has nothing to do with color. The ancient Egyptians did not call it "red crown", Egyptologists do.
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