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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Tukuler: [qb] People just don't know the heterogeneous nature of 13-17th dynasties eastern Delta population which included Kerma Nubians. Heck, one Delta ruler was outright named Nehesi. Whuddaboudat? So we get Hyksos were in the delta the delta was all Aamu simplistic okey doke. [b]BTW[/b] 13th Dyn has a ruler Khendjer thought to be Aamu. [/qb][/QUOTE]That could be a possibility. Before DNA we had craniometric analyses. Recall P. K. Manansala's [URL=http://www.geocities.ws/nilevalleypeoples/xraymummies1.htm]assessment[/URL] of Harris & Wente's X-ray work: [i] [b]In terms of head shape, the XVIV and XX dynasties look more like the early Nubian skulls from the mesolithic with low vaults and sloping, curved foreheads.[/b] The XVII and XVIII dynasty skulls are shaped more like modern Nubians with globular skulls and high vaults. Merenptah, Siptah and Ramesses V all have pronounced glabellae. Ramesses IV has a bulging occiput similar to the "Elder Lady." Ramesses II and his son, Merenptah, both have rather weakly inclined mandibles with long ramus. Ramesses II's father, Seti I, does not possess this feature, though, suggesting that this was inherited from Ramesses II's mother, Queen Mut-Tuy. The gonial angle of Seti I is 116.3 compared to 107.9 and 109 for Ramesses II and Merenptah respectively. [b]The XVIV and XX dynasty heads do not have steep foreheads, receding zygomatic arches or prominent chins. Generally, both glabella and occiput are rounded and projecting to varying degrees. The sagittal contour is usually flattened, at least to some degree, although this sometimes begins before the bregma rather than in post-bregmatic position. The whole mandible is rarely squarish, although the body sometimes has a wavy edge. The latter feature, though, is very common in both ancient and modern Nubians. According to Gill (1986), an undulating mandible is a characteristic of Negroids.[/b] The difference between late XVII and XVIII dynasty royal mummies and contemporary Nubians is slight. [b]During the XVIV and XX dynasties we see possibly some mixing between a Nubian element that is more similar to Mesolithic Nubians (low vaults, sloping frontal bone, etc.), with an orthognathous population. Since the Ramessides were of northern extraction, this could represent miscegenation with modern Mediterraneans of Levantine type. The projecting zygomatic arches of Seti I suggest remnants of the old Natufian/Tasian types of the Holocene period.[/b] If the heads of Queens Nodjme and Esemkhebe are any indication, there may have been a new influx of southern blood during the XXI Dynasty. In summation, the New Kingdom Pharaohs and Queens whose mummies have been recovered bear strong similarity to either contemporary Nubians, as with the XVII and XVIII dynasties, or with Mesolithic-Holocene Nubians, as with the XVIV and XX dynasties. The former dynasties seem to have a strong southern affinity, [b]while the latter possessed evidence of mixing with modern Mediterranean types and also, possibly, with remnants of the old Tasian and Natufian populations.[/b] From the few sample available from the XXI Dynasty, there may have been a new infusion from the south at this period.[/i] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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