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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arwa: [QB] One more thing. Interesting perspective, but true to the bone marrow! [QUOTE] Mozart + Beethoven may be lovely--but allll, I mean allll of that came from the IMMENSE wealth that was generated by the "New World". All of which was "extracted" by Black slaves. The Rennaisance, The Enlightenment--they wouldn't/couldn't have bought solid silver chairs and wall to wall mirrors painted with gold leaf --without slavery. That isn't what you call "the spirit". [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] "Classical period"...100,000,000 population. Estimates are around 20,000,000 slaves were brought to the New World. Of course a high percentage were thrown into the sea because of smallpox. Still, 15,000,000 Africans slaving to produce the luxuries for Europe-- with a population of what?? Thats a lot of sugar, tobacco, gold, ivory. Wealth creates an opportunity to indulge in art and so on. The slaves deserve the credit. Not the paintings and the palaces everyone goes to see. If we were half "civilized" reparation would definitely be planned instead of prisons. Which brings us back to the idea of the brutality of a people who set this in motion--they traded the fabrics to African chieftains in return for slaves and ivory... nowdays, collect rents on their ghettos. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE] I did not say that the African slave trade "created" European "civilization". Whatever that means. The thing that Some People refer to as "civilization" is a host of luxuries and lavish living which could only be produced in a society that used slaves. [/QUOTE]BTW, the writer of the quote is white middle-aged American. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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