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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Asar Imhotep: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: Asar. I hope this is not a bait and switch. I quoted your comment talking about culture, 'race', self-identity, and so on. Now you're asking me what field etymologies fall under. If you're saying you're planning on using archaeology, physical anthropology, ancient DNA, and so on, to reconstruct these things, feel free to share. But linguists have made no real inroads solving the things you listed in that paragraph. Egyptian words with anthro connotations (e.g. Kmtyw, Nhsy, T3 Ntr, T3wy [mirrors biblical 'Mizraim', or 'two lands', and both have anthro meaning]), are unsolved. Egyptian documents that scholars have looked into for Egyptian ideas about anthropology, like the 'table of nations', or certain myths, have not taken linguists very far. This makes sense because AE is a dead language and Egyptians seem to have not been very forthcoming with their ideas and beliefs (e.g. some scholars go as far as saying AE didn't have philosophers).[/QUOTE]It would've been nice if you actually read the comment in the context for which it was stated. Nowhere in the entire post was there mention that all of those topics would be addressed linguistically. What you cited were the research questions being asked for the ENTIRE project. Then right under that I discussed each Volume in the series and how EACH one of those volumes would address those topics. The first Volume has to deal with the ETYMOLOGY of the placename Km.t, which is a linguistic question. Some aspects of race will be discussed because of Cheikh Anta Diop's 1977 claim that Km.t means "black people" instead of "black land." So before we can delve into that claim, we have to first prove that Km.t has anything to do with "blackness" in the first place, which it does not. Thus, your entire post makes no sense because, I guess, you were skimming through instead of actually reading the post. Now you're all over the place. [/qb][/QUOTE]Strictly speaking, a set of consonant glyphs is not a word, though. So we can't say it had nothing to do with blackness. To do so is to ignore the dictionary entries in which kmt can, in fact, refer to black things. At issue is whether kmt, when followed by the city determinative, means black nation. Kmt with the aforementioned determinative meaning black land/soil is not attested in ancient non-Egyptian documents, unlike T3wy, which has similar words in ancient Semitic languages as a name for Egypt, which is still the case today (Musr is the name of Egypt in Arabic). Another example is the word Egypt itself, which has an etymology that comes from ancient Greeks who in turn got it from an actual ancient Egyptian phrase that is documented as being in use in ancient Egypt. So, I'm not buying any proposed meaning of Kmt + O49 that has no ancient corroboration from nations that had to refer to Egypt often as an ancient military power, a diplomatic correspondent, a setting/backdrop in myths, a place to visit with unique African customs and geological features, and so on. Funny how allusions to 'black land/soil' do not show up in any of these diverse contexts in which foreigners had to mention their version of the word Egypt, unlike the many allusions to 'Two Lands' in Semitic languages, of which, like I said, at least one (Arabic) is still widely used today. As far as your paragraph that talks about population affinity, and self-identity, I did make an assumption based on your earlier comments over the years, which tended to ignore physical anthropology and genetics when speaking on population affinity. It's usually Afrocentric works that today claim to have found evidence of Egyptians referring to a distant place as their homeland (e.g. the claim that a text has Egyptians referring to 'Mountains of the Moon' as their homeland :rolleyes: ). Anyone claiming to have solved "where Egyptians come from" automatically triggers red flags because of the underlying assumptions that they had to have came from elsewhere (usually conveniently in Sub-Saharan Africa) and that (pre)dynastics themselves were the migrants (as opposed to their palaeolithic ancestors). Your comment to have solved Egyptian self-identity similarly triggers red flags for the same reason. No one serious claims to have solved this, except certain 'scholars' who, among other claims, have said Egyptians self-identified as Bantu, which, unbeknownst to them, is a modern word coined, or at least popularized by a white European, and is not proved to be ancient :rolleyes: . You yourself have a graphic floating around the net implying Kmt is somehow linguistically related to the word Bantu. So, you can imagine why your comments got that reaction. I guess I'll have to wait and see what is really behind your claim to have solved ancient Egyptian self-identity, and homeland, because your work is behind a paywall, and I doubt you'd risk discussing vulnerable claims here. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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