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[QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: [QB] ^ :o The moderator should ban jackass akoben if he wants to have a serious thread instead of a silly one. Now... [QUOTE]Originally posted by Narmer Menes: You probably have a point with your logical fallacy statement. Perhaps I should clarify. [/QUOTE]Indeed. [QUOTE]''If you don't want to use the work of racist - you would have to dismiss virtually all of Egyptology.'' I agree, and I do (dismiss) to a large extent when it comes to hypothesisng the race of the Egyptians, as most Eurocentric research is usually a nonsense and should not be engaged seriously. [b]Diop, to a large degree used the study of racist Egyptologists to falsify and highlight contradiction.[/b] [/QUOTE]^ [b]No.[/b] That isn't all he did so you are not being entirely honest. Diop placed information into context. This is different than trying to catagorize sources as a) racist b) non-racist ...and then trying to attack "racist authors", rather than deal with specific merits or demerits of an *argument.* [this is the logical fallacy you are promoting, and which your reply does not really address] This involves citing Egyptologists [b]where he agreed with them[/b], which needs no external rationale, and regardless of whether he disagreed with them on other points. ^ This is exactly what you oppose. He cites the translations of Budge and Champollian the Younger, the reproductions of Kurt Sethe, and Richard Lepsius, and the anthropology of Fontanes, Amélineau, Chandler and others. Diop even uses the works of Carleton Coon, and though -I disagree- with Diop's views here, he praises Coon's work wrongly, because at the time that he wrote the following Coon was a standard bearer of contemporary anthropology. Coon's views did influence Diop's views, and in fact, they *both* advocated race. What is ironic here, is that Diop is often subject to a broad brush attack, for promoting outdated ideas of race. ^ Broadbrush attacks are also useful to shallow trolls because they can never deal with specifics anyway, and will usually postulate cut and past attacks against scholars whom they never even bothered to read.... and wouldn't understand even if they had. The method used here by Eurocentrists -> [b]is the same method you advocate[/b]. ^ They take Diop out of context, and use his outdated views on race, as a strawman by which to attack all of his work. So you can't claim that Diop never cited racialist Egyptologists, nor can you read Diop and be true to your own *tenant* to ignore the works of scholars who promote race. Diop writes: [i]I am not an anthropologist, nor is the author, but I refer the reader to one of the best books on the subject of ancient [b]Egypt: Carleton S. Coon, The Races of Europe (New York: Macmillan, 1939, pp. 91-98 & 458-462).[/b] In it the racial components of Ancient Egypt are analyzed (Mediterraneans in the Preneolithic, Whites; Tasians on the Abyssinian plateau. Browns with Negroid tendency, Naq-ada, related but less Negroid; Mediterraneans of Lower Egypt, Whites; and from 3000 B.C. to the Ptolemaic epoch, the history of Egypt shows "the gradual replacement of the Upper Egyptian type by that of Lower Egypt" (p. 96). The later invaders (Hyksos, peoples of the sea, Semites, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks), all belong to white races, with the exception of the Twenty-fifth Dynasty, of Nubian ancestry, as is known.[/i] To be true to your own advise you need to -ignore- Coon *and* Diop. [QUOTE]By quoting from these racially motivated exercises[/QUOTE]^ Diop quoted from racially motivated sources, and was himself racially motivated. The only contradiction is in your claim that did not, or was not. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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