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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [QB] [QUOTE]Evil: Semantics. "Non-African" means they resembled worldwide populations and not modern Bantu-influenced Africans. Obviously.[/QUOTE] Making no sense here: How could it be "non-African", when you are in fact talking about "Africans"? Are you suggesting that East Africans didn’t have their traits, before others outside Africa? If so, the evidence for this is most welcome. [IMG]http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/wink.gif[/IMG] [QUOTE]Evil: Negroids developed in West Africa during the Holocene. This has been proven.[/QUOTE] [b]…When?[/b] Let us see if we can address amnesia by refreshing your memory. Therefore bit by bit, here’s what went down: Evil Euro stated: [QUOTE] You're quite delusional. [b][i]What's been proven is that Negroids are of recent West African origin, that they spread east beginning c. 1000 B.C.[/i][/b], and that pre-historic East Africans were generalized moderns. E3b, of course, is associated with the Caucasoid populations of North Africa, West Asia and Europe, and the hybrid populations of East Africa. It's not associated with unmixed Negroids.[/QUOTE] S.Mohammad used Evil’s own reference against him: [QUOTE] The first known inhabitants of Ethiopia were hunting peoples whose scattered descendants remained in southern Ethiopia. [b][i]As early as the 8th millennium B.C., a [Negroid element appeared[/i][/b], probably only in the southern part of the country, and mingled with people arriving later (Encyclopaedia Britannica 1964, vol. 8, p. 782). [/QUOTE] After which, Evil said: [QUOTE]Thanks for confirming that Negroids were not yet present in East Africa at the time of any OOA migrations. Nice job proving yourself wrong…[/QUOTE] S.Mohammad’s reply was: [QUOTE] [list] Your own source debunked you. [*]This paper says nothing about Negroids [b][i]not being present in East Africa during OOA migrations[/i][/b], which happened BTW 70,000-90,000 years ago. [*]The source does debunk what you have been saying, and that was Negroids were not present in East Africa until Bantu dispersals brought them there. That was the lame purpose of your Asselar Man thread. [*]Its amazing to see your reaction, now that you can no longer say Negroid people only came from West Africa, since the [b]Negroid presence in Ethiopia[/b] in essence [b][i]precedes[/i][/b] the appearance of Asselar Man. [*]BTW, the source says nothing about Caucasoids being in East Africa before Negroids. Indeed Passarino et tal's study says that "Caucasoid" mixture came in the Neolithic and much later on through contact with Yemen. Your own source totally debunked you… [/list] [/QUOTE] Evil said: [QUOTE] E3b, of course, is associated with the [b]Caucasoid[/b] populations of North Africa, West Asia and Europe, and the hybrid populations of East Africa. It's not associated with unmixed [b]Negroids[/b].[/QUOTE] Thought Writes: [QUOTE] <OL TYPE=1> [*] Define your terms. What is a Negroid in a scientific sense? [list] [*]What is a non-Negroid "generalized modern" in a scientific sense? [*]Would a Tutsi be a Negroid or a non-Negroid "generalized modern" in a phneotypic sense? [/list] [*] Central African's migrated into East and West Africa prior to the Last Glacial Maximum spreading L2a lineages. </OL> [/QUOTE] Also Thought asked a simple question: [QUOTE] Are you suggesting E3b originated in Europe? [/QUOTE] To which Evil evaded, and instead states: [QUOTE]E-M78-alpha originated in Europe. Other descendents of E3b originated in North Africa and the Middle East. E3b itself was an OOA haplogroup like M89 and L3.[/QUOTE] This doesn’t answer Thought’s question. He asked you about origins of E3b, not descendents of E3b! Thought repeatedly asked: [QUOTE]Please define your terms, what does "Negroid" and "Caucasoid" mean TO YOU in a scientific sense? In that E3a and E3b CLEARLY derive from a common source, lay out your chronology for the appearance of "Negroid" and "Caucasoid" phenotypes? [/QUOTE] Evil’s answer to date: [QUOTE] Nil… [/QUOTE] hybrid populations in east africa?this guy evil euro thinks that all or most of east africa is/was like modern somalia.wrong again euro,most of east africa is not hybrid,and some of the ones that mixed happen over the centuries,and mostly in recent african history,of course in the depends on the region,state or ethnic group. some of the east africans that have some form of mixture did not just happen overnight. Most sudanese are not mixed or hybrids as you call them, even some black arabs in the sudan are unmixed blacks, chancellor williams said when he did his field work in the sudan in 1964,and most nubians are full blood black africans in the sudan,but nubians are nilo-saharan and came from the southwest ANYWAY. most folks in kenya,tan. and some in ethiopia are still full blooded black africans and in some other states in east africa.most of the so CALLED mixing did not happen overnight and most of it happen in the horn of africa. The horn of africa is not only east africa.Most east africans live outside of the horn africa,and most EAST AFRICANS outside the horn of africa did not mix with outsiders that much.by the way the state of sudan is not a horn of african state. Most of east africa like west africa is mostly filled with unmixed black africans,and the ones that have some form of mixture are still black. some that have a greater mixture and do not look black or really white,might not call themselves black while others do,of course it depends on the ethnic group. [This message has been edited by kenndo (edited 14 February 2005).] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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