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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] No. What I am saying is that the original concept of "the Christ" existed LONG before there was a Jesus. This original form of "the Christ" was based on the messianic traditions of the levant, combined with the Greek philosophical traditions of Alexandria and the religious traditions of Egypt, combined into the form of Serapis. Serapis was the syncretized expressly for the purpose of legitimizing Greek rule in Egypt and unifying Greek and Egyptian culture. As part of this syncretization, all other temples in Egypt were closed and unified under the new religion of Serapis. The scrolls from all these temples were assembled in the Serapeum, next to or part of the great library at Alexandria. It is here that these Greek philosophers started speaking of the theological and philosophical traditions that we now call theology. However, these early philosophers were only rehashing what came before in the old system of the Egyptians. The concept of the word, where the word existed before creation and was the SYMBOL of god's presence in creation is straight out of the symbolixm of Ptah. The concept of divine birth was straight out of the Mysteries of Isis and Osiris. The concept of the divine god child was straight out of the Mysteries of Heru. All of these ancient concepts were syncretized into the concept of the Logos or word incarnate and the nous, the mind of god or holy spirit. These teachings were called Platonic as they were supposedly first uttered by Plato. The early Christian fathers are often called NEO Platonists, in that their early theology is based HEAVILY on the philosophy of Plato. These people, like Clement, Origin, Augustine and later St. Ignatius were the principle forces behind the tradition that became Christianity. As I said earlier, the apologies of the Church Fathers and the conflicts between the various sects in the early church, arose MAINLY out of divergent views of those who opposed taking these Platonic esoteric ideas and imparting them into the physical person of a Jesus. The main difference therefore is that on one side, god was incarnate in Jesus, therefore he was god and on the other side, god never manifested in the body of Jesus, but remained a purely spiritual esoteric concept, based on the concept of divine thought and inspiration in nature (the logos or archetype of mankind). This is the true nature of the FIRST debates of the Nicene council. Subsequent debates centered on HOW god could be IN the body of Christ but yet be OMNIPOTENT and ALL present, ie "god" at the same time. This is why the theological concept of the trinity was created, in order to make it appear that Jesus was 3 in one, the physical man, the incarnation of the holy spirit AND the son of the heavenly father. Actually this is exactly the sort of theological gymnastics that many early neoplatonists OPPOSED, especially the gnostics, since it replaced the concept of a god present in all creation, with a god present ONLY in the dead body of Jesus (meaning unseen and withdrawn from humanity until the second coming). This is totally against the principles and concepts as taught in the ancient mystery systems of Greece, Egypt, Rome, Judaism (Cabbalism) and the East These principles include that all people have an indwelling fragment of god symbolized by the spirit which comes from the divine will that caused creation and man is a reflection of divine will in that HE also shares in the capacity for self awareness and the rising of conscious out of primal animalistic nature. On top of that, these theologians were against the idea that Christianity was somehow BETTER or ABOVE all other religions, especially since most of its central theological ideas came from elsewhere. The apologies were written to address WHY this "god" was more REAL then all the OTHER gods that existe AND how this "god" was different than those that came before. These arguments are flimsy, if one notices how much NeoPlatonic thought and theology is behind such demonstrations of faith, underlying the NON relevatory (ie. the nature of divinity REVEALED by his ressurection to the apostles) and purely based on theology and philosophy. This is a contradiction and anyone versed in the ideas of the bible and the basis of Greek philosophical argument, would understand it. THIS is the true nature of the debate and has NOTHING to do with whether Jesus was an ACTUAL historical figure. This is a good summary of some of these ideas, even though it tries to place the origin of many of these concepts in a Jewish mystery system, which was NOT the origin of most of these ideas. This can be seen in the fact that many of the Jewish holy books of the old testament are derived from more ancient traditions, like the flood from Babylon and the phrasing and iconography of the old books of wise sayings and wisdom from Egypt. The real power and might of the Catholic Church, came from the political support of Rome, which INSITUTIONALIZED Christianity and FORBID worship of pagan gods. This was not an issue of pure theology and it DEFINITELY was not simply a question of faith or belief. Much of the spread of Christianity was due to FORCED conversion, first as part of the "Holy" Roman Empire followed by Papal decree in Europe and subjugation and forced missionary conversion elsewhere in the world. This goes AGAINST the ideas of peace and love and understanding as preached by the Bible and has NOTHING to do with Jesus and everything to do with political power, greed and EMPIRE. http://members.iinet.com.au/~quentinj/Christianity/index.html [/QB][/QUOTE]
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