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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Yonis2: [qb] The question you need to answer is why you consider the features of Yuya to be indigenious in the nile valley while not the majority of modern Egyptians? Answer this question. [/qb][/QUOTE]Because many modern Egyptians have more foreign ancestry, especially those in the extreme North of the country. That is a documented fact. All modern Egyptians do not have the same ancestral background. Some Egyptians openly and proudly admit that they are of Arab descent and others openly admit that they are mixed. However, there are also portions of the population who have similarities in features to the ancient populations as well. Therefore, if you feel that all modern Egyptians are equally descended from ancient Egyptian bloodlines, then fine. But they aren't. And all ancient Egyptians did not have the exact same ancestry either. But that does not mean that modern Egypt has the same ethnic and ancestral mix in the population as ancient Egypt. It does not. But that still does not mean that people should not do comparisons between the two, not in the least to see what craniofacial characteristics have changed between the two, if anything. You seem to waste time in generalities. Some generalizations like modern Egypt is all one type or Mittani blood was in ALL or MOST charioteers of the 18th dynasty. Neither of which makes absolutely ANY sense at all. Such generalizations are irrelevant to the point at hand. We are talking about one person, Yuya and that one person is not the entire ancient Egyptian population. Whether or not he did or did not have Mittani ancestry cannot be then extrapolated to the entire population of Egypt, much as whether any specific individual in modern Egypt has more or less foreign ancestry cannot be extrapolated to the population as a whole. Such arguments or methods of reasoning reflect laziness or outright refusal to do the requisite detailed analysis versus sticking to ERRONEOUS and MISLEADING generalizations. The point is that YOU feel that there are features in Yuya's mummy that are SPECIFICALLY FOREIGN to the Nile Valley. What are those features SPECIFICALLY and where is a DETAILED analysis of ancient and modern Nile Valley populations determining whether such features are FOREIGN? I have seen none from you so far. Likewise, where is the ancient and modern craniofacial data concerning populations from the Levant and regions occupied by the Mittani for comparison? Would you NOT agree that such data is required to undertake a comprehensive analysis and informed opinion? Right now your whole argument is conjecture, based on speculation and preliminary observation, none of which is backed up by the hard evidence to reinforce such a view. Therefore, the burden is on YOU to provide such evidence, not myself. I see it as MORE likely that Yuya was indigenous to the Nile Valley and I DO NOT see his features as uniquely FOREIGN, meaning NOT found in populations along the Nile. Such features ARE found along the Nile in Egypt and elsewhere, therefore making such a line of argument weak at best, asinine at worst. The point is that I do not RULE OUT the possibility of foreign ancestry for Yuya, not in the least. However, as said again, I see nothing offered so far in terms of evidence to support that view. All of this is purely conjecture, because NEITHER of us can provide said craniofacial data sets ourselves. However, some of us treat conjecture and reasonable opinions as FACT. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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