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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] Why do some Afrocentrics uphold old racist notions that even the Europeans abandoned? Are they not aware about the destruction of Native American civilisations? For many Native Americans their history is among the last things they have left. And then some Afrocentrics also chomps into to the plunder party, and since they can not steal land they try to steal history. Have they not any culture or history of their own? [/qb][/QUOTE]But you are the one following these people right? Nobody forced you to follow them and you are the one listening to them correct? So I would ask the question why you are following what they say? Do you hear me whining about the racists on stormfront or other web sites that promote that kind of pseudo science? I don't go there because there is nothing to go there for. It just seems to me like you want to promote the idea that all Africans talking about African history are frauds as opposed to simply the fact that social media is a tool that can be used by anybody and therefore will have a range of opinions and views on everything. It just sounds like to me you are trying hard to avoid serious African scholarship in order to slander all African scholars as frauds by constantly using random folks on social media. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] Ivan Van Sertima was not an expert on Native American cultures, archaeology or anthropology. His ideas met hard critique already when his book came out in the 1970s. And today his ideas are rather outdated. It is weird that some people still try to keep his ideas alive online. But there will always be fringe people and pseudo scholars. Many people also believe in Von Dänikens writings, so pseudo history and pseudo science seems hard to get rid of. Van Sertima has also some followers who also written books but it seems they never became as successful as Van Sertima himself. Maybe some of them were to far off with too outlandish claims. [/qb][/QUOTE]And he was the main Afrocentric scholar who discussed the topic and made it part of the mainstream debate over Afrocentrism. Since then, few Africana scholars have been as outspoken on such things as African Olmecs. He is 1 scholar is the point yet you keep trying to make the case that somehow all African scholars have the same views as him. No they don't. Again, you seem more concerned about promoting certain voices you claim represent all African scholarship as if African scholars are a monolith and all believe the same thing when that isn't the case. And what's worse, you make it seem as if only African scholars engage in pseudoscience when we know for a fact this has been a hallmark of European Eurocentric scholarship for quite a long time. Not only that, but there have been multiple European studies showing that the natives of the Americas were always diverse, some of whom have always had phenotypes similar to some Africans, people from the Pacific and parts of Southern/Southeastern Asia. Not to mention the Bonampak murals which were painted by the natives themselves showing them to be quite dark as expected from populations living in tropical environments. Suffice to say the diversity of ancient indigenous Meso Americans is an established fact of science, even without direct contact with ancient Africans. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] I have been in some Native American groups that debunked some of the bs regarding African Olmecs and similar theories and we saw many examples of Afrocentric pseudo amateur scholars who was not only loud, but some times even threatening and very racist. But we reported some of the worst so they got kicked out from YouTube, Facebook and other platforms they haunted. [/qb][/QUOTE]Again, the core idea of African Olmecs came from Europeans. You keep going in circles determined to make it seem as if it came from African scholars, but then omit all the pseudo science Europeans have promoted about American history. Not to mention the fact that they have stolen or destroyed so much of that history. Which they have also done world wide, but according to you the main problem is "Afrocentrics". [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] But still today one can find fringe videos on YouTube and groups on Facebook and accounts on Twitter and other social media which promote that kind of pseudo science. But it seems they do not dare to be so threatening anymore because they know that they will get kicked out.[/qb][/QUOTE]And there is fringe pseudo science from Europe and Asia and everywhere else. I just find it odd that you seem so obsessed with talking about random "Afrocentrics" on this forum when nobody else seems to be mentioning them. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] There are of course different grades of Afrocentrics, some are actual academic scholars, but many of the fringe people online are just pseudo scholars with their own home made theories, not more serious than Von Däniken and company. [/qb][/QUOTE]There is only one meaning of Afrocentric, which means scholarship centered on Africa as the birthplace and origin of human beings, human culture and civilization. So there are no "grades" of Afrocentrics. The main reason why Afrocentrics caused controversy in the 1990s and even before the term Afrocentric, is because of the Nile Valley. At the core of this debate has always been the issue of Africa as the birthplace of human civilization, culture, language and everything else. Eurocentrics are those who promote Europe or Eurasia as the origin of human culture, language, civilization and everything else which has always been at odds with reality. And this is the basis of the core arguments against Afrocentrism which always revolves around the Nile Valley. It isn't about Olmecs or anything else and it isn't about how good the scholarship is, as opposed to the fact that it goes against European Eurocentric domination of the study and dissemination of African history. Again, you seem to just want to lump all people together just because they call themselves Afrocentrics as somehow the same when they aren't. But on the other hand, you ignore all the Eurocentric pseudo science that is also all over social media as if somehow that doesn't also exist. Meaning that all kinds of pseudo science exists from all parts of the planet, including Europeans, but you simply don't want to discuss any serious history as opposed to focusing on random folks on social media. Are you interested in getting to the facts or are you wasting your time worrying about random folks on social media? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] I am no expert on Egyptians interest in history but I have some contacts there and they say the history interest is rising, especially among younger people. Just as other countries also Egypt teach history in school, and at least some young people are getting interested. But tourism and the international interest in Ancient Egypt is of course also a factor. And also Internet since also Egyptians today communicate with the outer world. [/qb][/QUOTE]OK so you don't follow your own advice and I find it funny you feel the need to speak for other people like Mexicans or Egyptians when you are neither Mexican or Egyptian..... But that is neither here or there. Anywhere, here is an actual video on Egyptian history from Egypt (in Arabic): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZyeLVypqS8 [QUOTE] In a study that took many years, we will reveal an aspect of the unknown history, the first history before and after the Flood, to delve into a fundamental truth about the existence of the Pharaohs and their reality at that time, from the origin of the first civilization in the era of Adam, all the way to the era of Mizraim, son of Ham. To understand the truth about the Pharaohs, we must go back to the first time in the land of ancient Egypt Many scholars of early history before and after Islam did not disagree that Egyptian history goes back tens and tens of thousands of years. From Herodotus, Pliny, and Theodorus of Sicily to Al-Suyuti, Al-Idrisi, Al-Maqrizi, and Ibn Kathir Al-Dimashqi, all of them wrote that the age of the Nile Valley civilization goes back as far as ancient times, and not just a few thousand as is claimed. In the fifth century BC, the Greek historian Herodotus was traveling among the nations and regions to collect some details about the unknown history from the largest libraries on earth at that time. But when he arrived in Egypt, he was deeply shocked by the antiquity of the first history, not because of the torches of fire that are known today as the pyramids, but because of the whispers of the wise men of the city. Among the Egyptians, their ancient manuscripts narrated that the sun rose twice as often as it set. This sentence was like a puzzle over the years. It was said that it was an astronomical phenomenon that occurred 39,000 years ago, but what was discovered after that proved that Egyptian civilization exceeded fifty thousand years of succession of time. Watch the video for the full story [/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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