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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Supercar: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: I dont know [b]why you dredged up that old thread[/b], but yes you were right in pointing out that other African cultures did indeed build in stone.[/QUOTE]Simple solution: re-read the postings again, and [i]learn[/i] why I 'dredged up that old thread'. [QUOTE]Doug M: It seems that my post was improperly worded and because of that we wasted a whole lot of time and space debating a side issue and not the true point I was trying to make.[/QUOTE]And yet, you use the same shaky "wording" here [i]again[/i]?! 'Once' maybe a mistake, but more than once, [i]well[/i]... [QUOTE]Doug M: So, I dont think it is necessary to argue what we both agree is [b]a long history of stone building in Africa.[/b][/QUOTE]I am certain that "I" agree with the highlighted piece. I am not so sure about you. [QUOTE]Doug M: The fact, IMO, still stands that outside the Nile Valley, [b]very few African civilizations built in stone[/b] or,...[/QUOTE]These "very few African civilization" who "built in stone" are a [i]subset[/i] of how many "African civilizations", and which go by what 'names'? How can you claim that [i]your[/i] 'facts' stand, when you have yet to demonstrate that they have any leg to stand on? [QUOTE]Doug M: if they did, left any sort of documentation of their every day lives and/or daily lives on the walls of their monuments, which makes it a bit harder to reconstruct such things from the remaining evidence. It does not say that no other African cultures built in stone, but just that most did not and those that did did not write an account of their daily lives on the wall.[/QUOTE]Well, writing 'proper' seems to have become more established in the Nile Valley prior to not only elsewhere in Africa, but also in a global sense. Writing however, is not the only means by which people documented aspects of the culture. Relics of building structures, pottery and fragments of artifacts [whatever their nature] and possibly of fossilized fauna and flora are factored into the equation. There is no 'unison' way of trail of cultural expression, and corresponding documentation. More to the point, speaking of 'art on the wall', is completely immaterial to the tradition of using stone in 'architecture' on the African continent, [i]outside[/i] of ancient Egypt. And to reiterate, even artistic reliefs depicting human activity, isn't unique to ancient Egypt on the African continent. You are trying to simply make 'substance' out of air. [QUOTE]Doug M: Yes, my statement in the original thread was wrong, as I said.[/QUOTE]Which doesn't stop you from repeating it. [QUOTE]Doug M: But it is not a red herring since I know what I was trying to point out and just correcting me on the one statement and continguing to correct me does not change it.[/QUOTE]You've got it twisted: You are wrong for stating that no other African culture save for that of AE built in stone, and that none used art reliefs to depict human activity, and it is a "red herring" to point to the idea that there were Africans who built structures from mud and other less durable material than stone. This is immaterial to the fact that ancient stone architecture have been uncovered in various parts of the continent, i.e. north, east, west and south. [QUOTE]Doug M: The issue now, as I said before, is one of study and research and how many aspects of African culture and history are undocumented. [b] I didnt know about the existence of the Nok culture prior to the discussion on that thread. I also didnt know about dar Tichitt prior to this thread[/b], as a result of my own searching.[/QUOTE]Which makes you look silly making the same old claims, [i]after[/i] you've learnt about such things. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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