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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rain King: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] Doug said: [b]Mummification did not come from the Nile Valley. The oldest mummification was found first in the Sahara. A lot of traditions that were found in the Nile Valley originated further south and West. So the point is that those root cultural elements that tie all these cultures together as "African" are far older than KMT. That is simply a fact. The biggest problem is that most of these cultures going back into prehistory did not have writing that we know of and that Archaeologists havent done enough digging. All of Africa has always been populated by Africans and that did not start with Bantus a few thousand years ago.[/b] Indeed. A lot of traditions that were found in the Nile Valley originated further south and West, and cultural elements that tie all these cultures together as "African" are far older than KMT. KMT derives from this foundation and is one branch of a tree as someone says above, not the source. [i]"Following the indigenous development of pastoralism in the Sahara, settlers of the [Nile] Valley undertook a series of actions that culminated in the rise of dynastic Egyptian Civilization. The developments in Egypt were also enriched by a continuation of cultural interactions between the Nile Valley and its neighbors. Many similarities between Egypt and other African societies are related to this common past, a common heritage of which Egypt is an integral part. The cultural continuity with an African substratum and the strong historical cultural interactions between Egypt and other African societies clearly demonstrates that Africa was the cradle of Egyptian civilization."[/i] --F. Hassan, 1996, noted in Celenko 1996 Egypt in Africa. Pp 31-32 [IMG]https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/14/1350209666179/Dogo-Ndiaye-strokes-ram-P-009.jpg?width=1010&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=3acb854f7096077a6e76ba2d065ab6d4[/IMG] Doug says: [b]I didn't say that common African cultural elements started in the Sahara. These are traditions that are tens of thousands of years old. Humans did not start evolving culture in Africa when the Sahara was set. These things have been evolving since humans were born in Africa. [/b] [QUOTE]People should keep in mind that the Sahara was once a lush greenbelt that cut across 1/3 of Africa giving plenty of time, space and scope for people to migrate to the Nile Valley and [b]elsewhere[/b]. [/QUOTE]Aside from peripherals of the Sahara, and remaining Saharan oasis(s), Lake Chad, and the river Nile, what is the evidence of mass settlement of Saharan migrants elsewhere? [QUOTE] The Sahara for example extends into the Sudan. Going west it cuts across Chad, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and even parts of Senegal. And some schlars show that this great belt while not uniform, and hugely diverse, did on some counts, have a common material and cultural foundation, [/QUOTE]Can you tie any of the specific practices shared in the examples presented to the evidence of the cultures in the ancient Sahara? [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [qb] ^ I understand your point, but China also had extensive relations throughout Asia yet nobody calls Chinese civilization "Pan-Asian" and the same was true with Rome in Europe but nobody calls Rome a "Pan-European" civilization. [/QUOTE]I would call Chinese civilization pan asian because it has many elements of culture that are common to Asia and its roots are in Asia.[/QUOTE]Some Chinese scholars have made the argument that Chinese civilization came from none other the civilizations of the river Nile. [i]On a cool Sunday evening in March, a geochemist named Sun Weidong gave a public lecture to an audience of laymen, students, and professors at the University of Science and Technology in Hefei, the capital city of the landlocked province of Anhui in eastern China. But the professor didn’t just talk about geochemistry. He also cited several ancient Chinese classics, at one point quoting historian Sima Qian’s description of the topography of the Xia empire — traditionally regarded as China’s founding dynasty, dating from 2070 to 1600 B.C. “Northwards the stream is divided and becomes the nine rivers,” wrote Sima Qian in his first century historiography, the Records of the Grand Historian. “Reunited, it forms the opposing river and flows into the sea.” In other words, “the stream” in question wasn’t China’s famed Yellow River, which flows from west to east. “There is only one major river in the world which flows northwards. Which one is it?” the professor asked. “The Nile,” someone replied. Sun then showed a map of the famed Egyptian river and its delta — with nine of its distributaries flowing into the Mediterranean. This author, a researcher at the same institute, watched as audience members broke into smiles and murmurs, intrigued that these ancient Chinese texts seemed to better agree with the geography of Egypt than that of China..... In the past year, Sun, a highly decorated scientist, has ignited a passionate online debate with claims that [b]the founders of Chinese civilization were not in any sense Chinese but actually migrants from Egypt. He conceived of this connection in the 1990s while performing radiometric dating of ancient Chinese bronzes; to his surprise, their chemical composition more closely resembled those of ancient Egyptian bronzes than native Chinese ores.[/b] Both Sun’s ideas and the controversy surrounding them flow out of a much older tradition of nationalist archaeology in China, which for more than a century has sought to answer a basic scientific question that has always been heavily politicized: Where do the Chinese people come from?[/i] https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/09/02/did-chinese-civilization-come-from-ancient-egypt-archeological-debate-at-heart-of-china-national-identity/ [QUOTE] Agreed [with Doug] , and both China and Rome had that pan-continental reach. Kemet by contrast did not, and did not have the geographical advantages of Rome or China to make it a reality in the same way. [/QUOTE]What are you talking about? A statue of Thutmosis was found all the way in the Congo. It was only reported by the French. That is a size and distance that rivals that of the entire continent of Europe. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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