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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] I mostly do not follow them, but I still run into them since I follow others. I do not say that all Africans who write about African history are frauds. Actually my first encounters with fringe Afrocentrics were about some of them trying to usurp Native American cultures. It was first later I saw that some of them also behaved in a similar way against for example Egyptians. And then there were some who claimed to be the true Israelites and so on. Just calling out some of the bs. [/qb][/QUOTE]But then you come here and open threads and tell us about these frauds and link to their videos when nobody else here is following them. As if this is something people here need to see or know about. IF they are frauds why are you promoting them and linking to their content? Do you see people here posting articles from stormfront or other fringe or racist web sites? It isn't like these so-called Afrocentric frauds are the only people spreading misinformation online, it exists in everything. And the core issue is that on this forum there have been discussions about the ancient Nile Valley going back decades from all angles. You don't engage in those discussions with people you can address directly you talk about random folks off social media who you cannot directly debate but you bring their content here to discuss which is pointless because those people are not here. You cannot debate them here and they don't represent people here. So why are you constantly finding these random folks to talk about instead of actually engaging with people who are here? Sounds like you don't want to actually engage anybody in any serious discussion about anything. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] Yes, but still Van Sertima have had several followers who write books, but often are their claims even wilder than his, with Mande speaking Olmecs and other stuff. No one denies that some Native Americans are relatively dark skinned. I have never claimed that they all look exactly similar. When it concerns ancient Maya depictions they vary greatly in color, some are light, some are dark. How much of that variation depends on the peoples actual skin tone and what depends on different art styles or conventions can vary. It is easy to misinterpret art from a culture if you do no know so much about it. [/qb][/QUOTE]The point was that certain features in those tropically adapted features are similar to other populations such as Africans, Pacific Islanders and so forth. This is why the Europeans called the Olmec heads Africans to begin with based on looks. And that same kind of confusion based on looks is the reason for some of those claims that persist. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] But even if there are variation among some Native Americans it does not mean that ancient Africans came sailing over the sea teaching the poor Natives civilisation, or new languages, or to write. Such fairy tales are debunked since years back. Still some Afrocentric pseudo scholars uphold such ideas. And people like you seem to have a problem when they are challenged. [/qb][/QUOTE]You aren't challenging anybody though because they aren't here. Those people are on other social media platforms and you posting links to them here isn't challenging them. It is actually you spreading their content on this forum. If nobody else here is referring to them or using them in any discussion then you posting them means you are spreading their content. And I ask why because nobody else here seems to be following them except you. If they were as "loud" and "significant" as you say, then wouldn't people here be following them or at least have heard of them but they haven't. The only one referring to them on a consistent basis is you. You are the one giving them the attention you claim they don't deserve not anybody else. That is why it sounds disingenuous that you keep claiming they are frauds and spreading disinformation, but you keep posting their content here. As for "people like me", you are free to refer to my posting history on the Olmecs and Mesoamerica all you like. So you cannot claim that I am against challenging frauds or misinformation without checking that first. What I am against is you promoting misinformation and frauds yourself acting like this is "news" or "content" that people here care about if other people aren't posting it and discussing it. If you are the one posting it then you are the one promoting it is the point I am making. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] It is irrelevant that such ideas came from Europeans. TODAY most of them who promote these ideas are Afrocentric pseudo scholars. Seems they are unable to free themselves from the old European narratives, while most Europeans have abandoned these specific ideas. Then there are other fringe ideas that some Europeans spout, and I have adressed such things too, both online and in my work as an archeologist. But that has been on other platforms. [/qb][/QUOTE]It is relevant because it shows these ideas and the racial ideologies based on phenotype did not originate with Afrocentrics. And there still certainly are Europeans who still believe in the idea of Olmecs being of African, European or Asian origin. You just aren't going to social media and finding those people and posting their content here. But they absolutely exist, while you consistently keep going on about these "Afrocentrics" as if they are the only ones spreading misinformation. Here is an example of European misinformation about the history of the Americas: https://apalacheresearch.com/2023/05/11/dirty-secrets-of-the-olmec-civilization/ Not to mention they even had an entire magazine that was published at one time that often featured misinformation from all parts of the Americas...... And it still is around called "Ancient American Magazine". And then there are the numerous sites and articles on social media talking about ancient Egyptian ruins in the Grand Canyon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n42dQcRxoe4 [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] When I first came to ES there were a couple of posters here too who also promoted fringe ideas regarding Native Americans, and I have adressed that in some threads. So not even ES has been free from people spreading desinformation.[/qb][/QUOTE]And for the most part those people represented their own ideas and were engaged in discussions with other people who had differing views. Meaning they were using the forum as it is intended to be used for discussing ideas, even if you disagree. You posting random videos of other people who are not on this forum and not engaged in any discussions here is not doing that. So it is pointless and nobody is "taking your word for it" as to how influential or loud they are because if they were, other people would be referring to them or posting them. And trying to even compare these people to folks like Van Sertima who wrote books, gave lectures and was an actual scholar makes no sense, even if some of his infromation was erroneous. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] Since many here on ES are African Americans, or have some kind of African background, ES is a suitable place to talk about different kinds of Afrocentrism, and even challenge the more fringe sorts of it. Seems you always have a problem when fringe Afrocentrics are called out or discussed. And you often blame all fringe ideas on Europeans. Even if some ideas are old European ones no one forces Afrocentrics to uphold them. Maybe time some of the fringe Afrocentrics start to update their notions and narratives. [/qb][/QUOTE]You posting videos from other random people on this forum is you promoting misinformation and frauds. Those people are not here to defend or debate their own ideas. You are the one promoting their content and asking people to look at it to see how bad it is. Why? If it is bad and fraudulent why should anybody waste their time watching it? The point is what do YOU think and what are YOUR ideas because that you can discuss and debate all day in defense of your own views and opinions and not someone elses. And again, if you check my posting history on any topic you will see where I stand on numerous subjects. Suffice to say I am against frauds and misinformation which is why I ask YOU why you keep posting them here when nobody else seems to be posting them or talking like that anymore. As you yourself said, those posters are long gone for the most part. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] As I said, I know people in Egypt, but I do not claim expertise on Egypt, as some posters seem to do who never sat their foot there. Seriously, as Chief X said, why listen to any African Americans trying to explain Egyptian history, or Mesoamerican history? Better to listen to these peoples themselves explaining there own history.[/qb][/QUOTE]But you aren't following Chief X if you continually keep posting misinformation from Afrocentric frauds now are you? You are doing the exact opposite an then coming here to spread their content to other people. [QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [qb] When concerning Native Americans (including Native Mexicans), I was actually invited into a group who debunks Afrocentrics trying to usurp Native history (and also Europeans who deny that they done anything bad to Native Americans). Sometimes even if you are not of a certain people you can have different kinds of ties to them which make you engaged in their causes. Seems you always have a problem when Afrocentrics are called out. But I do not see you protest when some posters here on ES claim that certain posts from European people about anthropology have a connection with violence against black people[/qb][/QUOTE]I only have a problem with you posting frauds and misinformation when nobody else seems to be discussing them or referring to them. So if the source of such misinformation is you then I have to challenge you on why you are posting it. Make sense? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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