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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rigaud: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by rasol: In spite of the question begging - Underhill's explanation of the difference between a clade and cluster should be helpful to you.[/QUOTE]No, it should be helpful to *YOU* that way you'll quit your delusional notions of the alpha cluster being proof of 'black African' ancestry in Greeks and or being "African Neolithic". [QUOTE]You should now be able to see that this has no bearing on the issue of the origins of the E3b1 clade in Black Africa.[/QUOTE]This was never the argument so don't attempt to try and change things, the argument was whether the alpha cluster constituted proof of black African ancestry in Greeks and it does not [QUOTE]Underhill properly then moved on the REAL ISSUE, the one which you have been using alpha cluster to evade.[/QUOTE]BS, the issue has been the alpha cluster because you and your sidekick keep stating that the alpha cluster of E3b1-M78 is proof of black African ancestry in Greeks and or "African Neolithic" which is false and out of touch with reality. [QUOTE]Was this original E3b1 East African population Black, or not?[/QUOTE]You don't know and no one knows for that matter so why do you keep begging the question yourself? Besides this was never the question, the question was whether the alpha cluster of E3b1-M78 proof of black African ancestry in Greeks, quit sidetracking and deliberately changing the subject to avoid being on the defensive. [QUOTE]Underhill asks but does not answer, because he has done no work on the biohistory of skin color. But others have, and have answered this question: yes, as we have shown.[/QUOTE]Wrong as usual with you, there were no black people 1.2 million years and black as used in the context here has nothing to do with skin color only since no one really literally has black skin. Black is a social term not a biological one. [QUOTE]In order to object to the Black African origins of E3b1 - you must be able to answer this question - no, and back it with support evidence.[/QUOTE]Nonsense, the questions *YOU* must answer is whether the alpha cluster of E3b1-M78 is proof of black African ancestry in Greece and did black Africans bring the alpha cluster into Greece during the Neolithic since you ignorantly and stubbornly keep calling it "African Neolithic". [QUOTE]No more "alpha" distractions please - no non sequiturs or ad-hominems either, just prove that the original E3b1 bearing Africans were not Black. If you can't do this, then you have nothing to quarrel about, and the matter is settled. [/QUOTE]STRAWMAN! The alpha cluster has been the source of contention here because you stated it was proof of "black African" ancestry in Greece, so don't avoid the issue. The argument was never about whether the original bearers of underived E3b1 and whether they were black or not so quit setting up strawmen to knock down. Even if the original bearers of underived E3b1 were black what does this have to do with the alpha cluster of E-M78 being proof of black African ancestry and or being "African Neolithic" in Greece? [/QB][/QUOTE]
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