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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swenet: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Doug M: [qb] People need to learn to read and comprehend english. Irish is no different than many other anthropologists who assign the primary origin of North Africans to Eurasia. It doesn't matter what traits you are focusing on, be it nose shape, head shape and skin color or whether it is DNA. Many of these scientists, if not most will say that not only do modern North Africans have Eurasian mixture but that ancient North Africans going back thousands of years were also substantially the result of Eurasian mixture as well. And yes the only way this Eurasian mixture could have taken place and most often the way this mixture is proposed is as a result of back migration. Trying isolate Irish from the rest of the scientists who say similar things using other characteristics of biology is what I am disagreeing with. I am certainly not going to sit here and debate people about the scientific consensus on North Africa as having a distinct biological ancestry from the rest of Africa based on Eurasian ancestry going back many thousands of years. There are far too many papers available that people can read for themselves for me to sit here and debate it. The problem is that some individuals have their own opinions on the history of African biological diversity but those opinions are not always in agreement with the scientific community at large. So rather than pretending there is a quorum we need to be precise in how we describe our position so as to distinguish one's personal vies from others, whether in the scientific community or otherwise. At no point have I seen any papers claiming that ancient North Africans evolved a separate set of [b]indigenous[/b] features and traits that were a branch that split off from other Africans before, during or after OOA. Some people may have this view and that probably did take place. But most papers on the topic of African DNA history do not support such a theory even going back to the time of OOA and prior to OOA. My personal take on this is that such a branch did exist and there were multiple sub branches and those branches are also associated with various migration scenarios OUT Of Africa that make Africans in North Africa closer related to Eurasians as a result of those various branches and waves of migration being ancestral to various Eurasian populations. The problem is we cannot identify these branches or cases of ancestral relationship because there isnt any ancient DNA from Africa going back far enough to identify them. [/qb][/QUOTE]Please. At the end of the day, the anthropologists you're talking about have imperfect models in regards to the ancestry types under discussion, but they are still closer to the truth than what you have claimed in your posts in all these years. Your bogus claims are well preserved in the "when to use black thread". You said their claims were all a racist conspiracy. aDNA says it isn't all a racist conspiracy. You said there is no relationship between EEF and North Africans. aDNA proves you wrong on that, too. First you had no problem with third intermediate period aDNA, then Abusir aDNA dropped and you started special pleading. Then Middle Kingdom Upper Egyptian aDNA dropped and [URL=http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=009896;p=1#000014]you started special pleading and posting sore loser non sense[/URL]. Now you have backpedaled all the way to the Nubian border begging for samples to be taken there only. You look confused in all North African aDNA threads, giggling at imaginary vindications, special pleading, etc. I know you're not pontificating about others being wrong, with your track record. You were definitely more off the mark than Irish. Let's be absolutely clear about that. One can salvage a lot of his work by putting it in an African context, instead of a backmigration context. Which of your analyses on North African affinities can be given a place in the aDNA era with some modifications? Your analyses can't even be salvaged. That's how lost you were all these years. :rolleyes: And BTW, I'm not going to keep responding to you on your delusional claims. On the first page you tried to go into your rants again about everything being a conspiracy. You're wrong about that (as aDNA shows some parallels with Irish's work). Does not matter how many times you repeat a lie in your sermons. It's still a lie. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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