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Nubians do not cluster with Nilo-Saharans. They cluster with Afro-Asiatics
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Djehuti: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova: [qb] Good work. Your reference some years back to an old study (Home of the heroes?) showing that the very early inhabitants of Crete appeared pug-nosed and "negroid" is an example of the diversity of phenotypes in the Aegean region at that early time, a pattern that of course did not stay the same as time went on. These old references can reveal some very interesting patterns.[/qb][/QUOTE]Yes, and you may recall that certain Neolithic skulls in mainland Greece also displayed "negroid" features not to mention the Neolithic remains of Malta also bore "long-headed" skulls with "negroid" features. So something was going on in the Mediterranean basin at that time which seems a little strange considering how early dynastic Delta remains showed the opposite cranial features. [QUOTE][qb]Strange thing about that type B. Back in Madilda's time an assortment of Euronuts was using blood types to advance 'Aryan' claims, but it turned out that while "Caucasoids" had more A and A2 blud, negroes and Egyptians clustered together more on type B, that the touted "caucasoids". Ah, the old days.. But as you show above, the diversity in the region, with high O among the Nubian samples belays simple explanations.[/qb][/QUOTE]Which is why blood type alone is useless. Note that blonde Eastern Europeans who are closest to the 'Aryan' speakers actually have type B also not to mention the non-I-E speaking Eastern Europeans like Hungarians and Uralians as well as Turks and Mongols. [QUOTE][qb]some of these older writings hold the Toubou to be some sort of mixture, and some argue for 2 types of Toubou- a "northern" Teda type- more "Caucasid" versus a southern "Daza" group, mo "negroid". All these obsolete concepts fail to take into account the diversity of African peoples who don;t fall neatly into these pigeonholes. The US Army had a survey of the region in the 1970s talking about a "Muslim" group compared to an "indigenous Negroid group." Apparently it was beyond conception that there could be people who were BOTH "Muslim" AND "Negroid."[/qb][/QUOTE]Technically the Toubou [i]are[/i] divided into two broad groups though such a division is linguistic and not racial. The northern group speak Teda dialects while the southern speak Daza. Whatever division between them is like that between Nubians with northern Nubians being Kenuzi and southern Nubians being Nobiin. And the Muslim and "negroid" division is idiotic. It's like when you hear the term 'Copt' thrown out forgetting that Coptic is a Christian denomination that includes whites of Greek descent in Alexandria to black Copts of northern Sudan. [QUOTE][qb]Speaking of the DNA "admixture" concept and how it is so often applied to Africa, what European groups would you say are "admixed" with Africans? [/qb][/QUOTE]Well from all the studies I've read in this forum as well as elsewhere, the majority of this admixture is found in southern Europe along the Mediterranean in Greece, southern Italy, and Spain, though its not confined there. Some of this ancestry reached further north as well. This has been hinted at since the 1990s with Bowcock which was later affirmed by Sforza and others. It's now official [b]one-third of Europeans have African admixture[/b]. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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