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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clyde Winters: [QB] [qb] [QUOTE]"Doug M says". Thats funny. But yes, the issue as I have mentioned numerous times is that the whole idea of "Nubia" is a complete joke. Sudan to this day is a very diverse country and not a monolithic ethnic group, culture, language and so forth. And that even goes moreso for the ancient Nile Valley, where outside of Kmt, which was a formal nation state, other groups were much more distinct in terms of individual cultural and ethnic identities. As the images from the tomb show, the 18th Dynasty had stretched all the way down into the region of the 6th Cataract. Those are the same regions that would later become Kush and afterwards Meroe. Lumping all those different ethnic groups along the NIle and regions away from the Nile into a single ethno-state in ancient times is nonsense. The people in ancient times were much more nomadic and clung to those pastoralist ways without a common writing system for many years long after Kemet was born. And linguistically they had various tongues that they spoke and not any single unified language. It is silly and ridiculous to lump them together as anything more than a group of loosely knit trading networks and cultures. Kemet was a nation state unified under a single political banner and cultural identity. The groups to the South of Kemet were nowhere near as organized and unified as implied by the usage of the word "Nubia" signifying a common political, cultural and ethnic identity. This is where the confusion comes into play as to what people are referring to when they say "Nubian". "Nubians" in Sudan today are primarily populations in Lower Sudan (and Upper Egypt) who reject Arab identity and culture. They are not the same as the Dinka and Nuer and other folks farther South in Sudan. As far as Egyptology goes, these distinctions don't matter, because to them "Nubian" means black folks to the South of Kemet. Which is hilarious because Kemet means black, so we know that is absolute nonsense. The Africans along the Nile that developed a sedentary lifestyle with writing and a centrally organized nation state coalesced into what we know as Ancient Egypt. The rest of Africa and most of the world still remained very nomadic in nature and based on smaller clan identities and some smaller settlements in various places. And along the Nile and elsewhere in Africa following pastoral traditions which meant being able to roam over large regions free from the concepts of political borders and boundaries. This has always been a problem in Africa where foreigners arbitrarily drew borders around populations that historically never identified as a single monolithic entity. [/qb][/QUOTE]Agreed. I don't like using the word Nubian but people recognize this word as an identifier for the region below Egypt. The history of the Nile Valley is complicated. I know that Narmer was the first inhabitant of the Nile Valley to declare he was Kushite. I have read many ancient documents but up to now I still don't understand what the Egyptians had against the concept of Kush. But what we do know is that the Nehesy state of Ta-Seti decided to form the ancient Egypt state which was a Pan-African confederation No matter, what the truth is, Egypt was a strong nation completely surrounded by Kushites it maintained its identity for thousands of years. In addition, it was able to Keep the Lower Egyptian Kushites (or Hyksos), loyal to the nation. It seems to me tht the Kushites, for much of their history refused to make public the knowledge they knew about the Universe that was maintained in the secret society. The Egyptians in their monuments and text made this knowledge evident for all of us to see. We can thank the Egyptians for granting us insights into the knowledge held secret. Just imagine what knowledge is still hidden from us in the secret societies that the members can not tell us. Tukuler is right we need to translate the documents our self so we can see what they really say. I only studied ancient Egyptian to look at its linguistic character, now, I wish I would have learned the language like I learned several other languages. Today I am old. At 70 years old it is only a matter of time before I return home to the ancestors. I hope some of you will seriously study the history of the Nile Valley and transmit the true history of this region. Right now, Eurocentrists are telling us many half-truths. Aluta continua...... [/QB][/QUOTE]
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