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[QUOTE]Originally posted by kenndo: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Topdog: [b] Do you even read those studies you idiot, or do you just parrot Dienekes? The link you gave as a source I went back and read it and no place in that entire full text does it say E3b is a Eurasian ´haplogroup. Lets take your Erroneous self back to school again. It that source link you gave, I read the full text paper and E3b1-M78 has a total frequency of 5% in Anatolia according to that paper. Second as we further dig deeper into the contents of the full text we see something else: "Haplogroup E3b and Neolithic expansions While both E3b1-M78 and E3b3-M123 occur at similar frequency in Turkey, the variance of the former is considerably lower than the latter suggesting either temporal or effective population size differences. The prevalence of haplogroup E (xM2) chromosomes in northern Egypt may reflect the source of non-African E3b lineages (Manni et al. 2002). Haplogroup E3b1-M78 haplotypes typify European lineages [b](Semino, unpublished)[/b] and have expansion dates consistent with expansion of agriculturalists (Table 2)." Idiot, this paper is *NOT* talking about African E3b lineages[E3b1-M78 gamma and delta, E3b2-M81] its talking about E3b1-M78 alpha cluster which typify European E3b lineages , East Africans have 0% of the alpha cluster. He cites Semino et tal's study[which was unpublished then] as proof. Nowhere in Semino et tal's study does he ever say that E3b is Eurasian. Semino et tal states: "[b]Moreover, the observation that the derivative E-M78 displays the DYS392-12/DYS19-11 haplotype suggests that it also arose in East Africa[/b]. This is illustrated by the microsatellite network (fig. 3, shaded area), which reveals that [b]the Ethiopian branch harboring DYS392-12 is not shared with either Near Eastern or European populations[/b]." And: "In conclusion, high-resolution Y-chromosome haplotyping and particular microsatellite associations reveal regional population differentiations, [b]an East Africa homeland for E-M78[/b], and recent gene-flow episodes consistent with the Neolithic in Europe." [URL=http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v74n5/40867/40867.html?erFrom=822324990317377833Guest]Semino et tal[/URL] E3b1-M78 is also given another East Africa homeland according to Sanchez et tal: "We genotyped a total of 389 males from Somalia, Sub-Saharan Western Africa, Turkey, and Iraq by a PCR based assay with co-amplification of 25 DNA-fragments and detection of 35 Y chromosome biallelic markers with the single base primer extension technique. A total of 19 different haplogroups were identified. In Somalis, 14 haplogroups were identified. The haplogroup E3b1*(xE3b1b) was found in 77.2 % of the male Somali population, in 6.3 % of Iraqi males and in 1.7 % of male Turks whereas E3b1* was not found in Sub-Saharan Western African males. [b]The frequency of haplogroup E3b1*(xE3b1b) in Somali males is the highest observed in any populations to date, and we suggest that the Somali male population is the origin of this haplogroup. Furthermore, the results are in agreement with a gene flow from Eastern to Northern Africa from a homeland in Somalia[/b]." [URL=http://www.mnhn.fr/mnhn/ecoanthropologie/abstracts%20coi%20link.html#sanchez]Sanchez et tal[/URL] [URL=http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v74n5/40866/40866.html]Cruciani et tal makes the same conclusion[/URL] that E3b has an East African origin. There you have it from 3 different studies that E3b is East African in origin now find me one study Erroneous idiot that says its Eurasian. Lets cut the crap and find a study that supports your nonsense. You've been stating the 'E3b' is Eurasian caucasoid' lie the entire time based on misreadings and distortions, unless you can prove the original E3b came into Africa from Eurasia you have no case. [This message has been edited by Topdog (edited 27 May 2005).][/B][/QUOTE] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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