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[QUOTE]Originally posted by markellion: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [qb] The Almoravids were mainly Aulamidden (Lamtuna) Tuareg now centered in Niger. Lower caste Tuareg smiths to whom much of the craftmanship of the Moors was probably due are of Nilo-Saharan origin related to Teda Tibbu-Krit or Ikaradan groups. [/qb][/QUOTE]I think this might have allot to do with European and especially French colonialism. I think the smith skills would give people an edge and thus make them more dominant not the other way around. I've been talking about this skills thing over and over but I was hoping people would incorporate it into their overall view of this history. Notice that these Africans conquered northward into the Sahara this is not just fun facts but something to incorporate into the overall view of history. This directly relates to Moors in Spain because as dana marniche pointed out these people are [b]"to whom much of the craftmanship of the Moors was probably due".[/b] This does give good evidence of the power and influence of these "Sudanese" (very black) people "The question of the Iron Age in Africa" This article talks about blacksmiths (Because you mentioned craftsmen above I thought this was interesting) http://thenile.phpbb-host.com/phpbb/ftopic2396.php [b]Remember again this book still has mistranslations that leans toward colonial bias:[/b] "Medieval West Africa: Views From Arab Scholars and Merchants" [URL=http://www.amazon.com/Medieval-West-Africa-Scholars-Merchants/dp/155876304X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241409685&sr=8-1]Amazon.com[/URL] [QUOTE] (author notes on Ibn Sa'id Page 42) [b]According to Ibn Sa’id the authority of the sultan of Kanim extended over Kawar and Fazzan, and the Berbers were slaves of the king of Kanim. He confirmed that during periods of strength Kanim expanded northward into the Sahara, rather than southward[/b] page 44 From Ibn Sa'id directly (13th century) [b]"This sultan has authority there over kingdoms such as those of the Tajuwa, Kawar, and Fazzan. God has assisted him and he has many descendants and armies. His clothes are brought to him from the capital of Tunish. He has scholars around him..."[/b][/QUOTE][IMG]http://www.americanlynching.com/images/pic10.gif[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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