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[QUOTE]Originally posted by dana marniche: [QB] The Sudan is not defined originally as "black" Markellion. THe word Sudan, like Nabit, Egyptian, Kanaani, Kush, Nigritae became words for black people because of their black color. Sorry to bust your bubble. Thus, the true Arab Ibn abd-al Hakam born in the 9th century a member of a prominent Arab family who had settled in Egypt wrote "Canaan is the father of the Sudan and the Abyssinians." Hakam was of Arabian stock and not just an Arabic speaker. He had no problem in saying that "the Sudan" and "Abyssinians" were of the same origin as his own people - the Kenaana tribal area in southwest Arabia. I tried to tell you previously Sudan, Kenaana and Kush were very ancient names of peoples of southern Arabia. But u are not getting it. The Akhbar al Zaman attributed to Masudi 9th c. of Baghdad also refers to "Sudan as the son of Canaan" Ibn Qutaybah quotes Wah ibn Munabbih as saying "the races of Sudan" were "the Nuba (Nobatae), Zanj, Qaran, ...and Berber." As I have told you the Beriberi and the Sudan were originally the same people. These Iraqi historians also say the Sudan were cursed and BLACK. All of them! Thus your assessment of what was originally meant by "the Sudan" is fundamentally off course. Kush, Sudan, Kenaana, Habeshat, Nabit were originally tribal names that became geographical designations and then finally color designations, and not vice versa. The Akhbar es Zaman also says that "Nabit was a child of Canaan" and that "the word Nabit means black". See the Curse of Ham: Race and Slavery in early Judaism Christianity and Islam p. 352 [/QB][/QUOTE]
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