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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ish Gebor: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by cassiterides: [qb] First of all, there are "black" (dark skinned) Lybian tribes. ======= Incorrect. The Libyans are described in classical texts as fair (red or blonde) haired and white skinned. They also appear in greek artwork as blondes. Antaios the Libyan (as blonde and redhead) - Very 'black' indeed. :rolleyes: ============== Second of all, recorded history tells firmly that "black Africans" were present in Britain, by the Roman army ============== Again, another lie. Good luck listing these sources. [/qb][/QUOTE]Within Roman occupied Africa, the bulk of the population of was composed of three major population groups: the Berber tribes (such as Numidians, Gaetulians and Maurusiani), the ancient Carthaginians of Phoenician origin and Roman colonists. [b]The Berbers were a dark skinned native African people that spoke a common language and shared ethnic characteristics.[/b] Besides the Afri in the regions controlled by Carthage, the tribes that took part in the wars against the Romans were the Lotophagi, the Garamantes, the Maces, the Nasamones, the Misulani or Musulamii, the Massyli and the Massaesyli. http://www.unrv.com/provinces/africa.php L2.2 HERAKLES & ANTAIOS Museum Collection: Tampa Museum of Art, Tampa, Florida, USA Catalogue Number: Tampa 86.29 Beazley Archive Number: 351170 Ware: Attic Black Figure Shape: Amphora, neck Painter: Attributed to the Michigan Painter Date: ca 490 - 480 BC Period: Late Archaic SUMMARY Herakles wrestles the Libyan giant Antaios [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/L2.2Antaios.jpg[/IMG] K12.12 DIONYSOS, ARIADNE & SATYROI Museum Collection: Musée du Louvre, Paris, France Catalogue Number: Louvre F204 Beazley Archive Number: 200011 Ware: Attic Bilingual Shape: Amphora Painter: Attributed to the Andokides Painter and Lysippides Painter Date: ca 520 - 510 BC Period: Archaic SUMMARY Side A: Herakles and Kerberos (see other image) Side B: Dionysos holding a fruiting grape vine in one hand and a wine jar in the other, stands beside his wife Ariadne (or a Mainas Nymphe) and three Satyroi, bearing wine-skin, lyre and fillets. NOTE This is a montage of several photos of the vase. [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/K12.12Dionysos.jpg[/IMG] Museum Collection: Cabinet des Medailles, Paris, France Catalogue No.: Paris Medailles 222 Beazley Archive No.: 310452 Ware: Attic Black Figure Shape: Neck Amphora Painter: The Amasis Painter Date: ca 540 - 530 BC Period: Archaic SUMMARY Side A: A pair of Mainades, draped with vines and a panther skin, present a hare to Dionysos. The god holds a wine-cup. Side B: Athene & Poseidon (see other image) [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/K12.28Dionysos.jpg[/IMG] K12.18 DIONYSOS, ARIADNE, HERMES, SATYR Museum Collection: British Museum, London, UK Catalogue No.: London B168 Beazley Archive No.: 310371 Ware: Attic Bilingual Shape: Amphora B Painter: Attributed to Towry Whyte Painter or Nr: Group E Date: ca 575 - 525 BC Period: Archaic SUMMARY Dionysos stands beside his wife Ariadne who is holding two of their sons, probably Oinopion "Full of WIne" and Staphylos "Bunch of Grapes." They are attended by the god Hermes and a Satyros. Dionysos holds a drinking horn and a fruiting vine. The Satyros has a strand of ivy. [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/K12.18Dionysos.jpg[/IMG] K19.1 THE BIRTH OF ATHENE Museum Collection: Antikenmuseen, Berlin, Germany Catalogue Number: Berlin F1704 Beazley Archive Number: 310014 Ware: Attic Black Figure Shape: Tyrrhenian amphora Painter: Attributed to the Kyllenios Painter Date: ca 570 - 560 BC Period: Archaic SUMMARY The goddess Athene is birthed from the skull of Zeus. The god sits on a crane-backed chair, holding a lightning bolt in his left hand. Two Eileithyiai, goddesses of childbirth, stand on either side with arms raised to release the child. To the left is Hermes with his herald wand, and Hephaistos (or Prometheus) stepping away with the axe used to split open the head of the god. Beside him (head only shown in this image) is Dionysos. NOTEThis image is a montage of several photos of the vase. [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/K19.1Eileithyia.jpg[/IMG] K14.8 PUNISHMENT OF SISYPHOS IN HADES Museum Collection: Antikensammlungen, Munich, Germany Catalogue No.: Munich J728 Beazley Archive No.: 30240 Ware: Attic Black Figure Shape: Amphora, neck Painter: Attributed to the Acheloos Painter Date: -- Period: Archaic SUMMARY The criminal Sisyphos is condemned to roll a rock up a hill for eternity in the Land of the Dead. The gods Haides and Persephone sit on either side of him, one hodling sheafs of wheat, the othera royal sceptre. [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/K14.8Haides.jpg[/IMG] Museum Collection: British Museum, London, United Kingdom Catalogue Number: London 1971.11-1.1 Beazley Archive Number: 350099 Ware: Attic Black Figure Shape: Dinos Painter: Signed by Sophilos Date: ca 580 BC Period: Archaic SUMMARY A procession of gods arrive at the wedding of Peleus and Thetis. First to arrive are the goddesses Leto and Khariklo, the wife of Kheiron, who walk side by side. Then comes Dionysos holding a vine, and the youthful Hebe dressed in white. The Kentauros Kheiron follows, holding a bow and a branch hung with the fruits of the hunt - hares and a deer. He is shown with the foreparts of a man, including feet, and the rear-quarters of a horse. Behind him walk the goddess Themis and her three Nymphai daughters. NOTE This image is a montage of several photos of the vase. [IMG]http://www.theoi.com/image/K15.1Kheiron.jpg[/IMG] [/QB][/QUOTE]
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