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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Archeopteryx: [QB] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Big O: Notice how you ignored acknowledging the sickle cell found in the Mayan mummies, and what that proves. Followed by nothing other than the dismissible and typical "I'm white and I say so" responses. The only thing that you're pointing out is the physical distance, and saying the Khamites and saying that the commonalities are not true solely for the reason. Australia is 3,089km further from Egypt than it is to America, yet and still you find coins from Kilwa (modern day Tanzania) in Australia, which is about 1,000 KM further than a trip from Egypt to the Americas. So no distance does not discount the existence of pre-columbian intercontinental relationships. [/QB][/QUOTE]Well if you want that Africans came to the Americans, why not also the Phoenicians, the Greeks, the Romans, the Chinese and all other people who had some kind of naval technology? Seems that ancient Mexico must have had some big international harbor to receive all the guests that came there from all corners of the world. Unfortunately we have not found any of those harbors yet, nor have we found any old world archaeological artifacts, or skeletons, or anything that show any contact between Africa (or Rome, or Greece, India or China) and precolumbian Mexico. If there were such contacts we would have found at least some artifacts made in those countries. We would maybe have found tombs or buildings that these foreigners built. If any of those peoples had arrived after the discovery of iron we would perhaps have found iron objects, or places for iron working (as we have found concerning the vikings on Newfoundland around 1000 AD). Also when the Spaniards and other Europeans came to the Americas they brought a plethora of epidemic diseases that profoundly affected the American indigenous population. If Africans, Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, or Chinese had come to Mexico we would probably have seen something similar. Seems the effect of the viking presence in Newfoundland was not especially profound since the area was sparsely populated and the contacts between Vikings and Native Americans were rather short and sporadic. Also foreigners who came there and maybe stayed there ought to have left some genetic evidence, but we do not find that in precolumbian human remains. And facts have nothing to do with if a white man tells about them or not. Actually when it comes to alleged Africans in precolumbian Americas, or the claims that the "real" aboriginals of Americas were black "negroid" people, many Native Americans have taken offence by such loud mouthed claims made by Afrocentric extremists. Seems those Afrocentrists or "Wabos" (wanna be Aboriginals) are trying to insert themselves into Native American history and take credit for Native American achievements. Once again I recommend Gabriel Haslip Vieras book "Thieves of Civilisation" where this kind of hyperdiffusionist silliness is thoroughly debunked. As a side note, it seems that most hyperdiffusionists claim that a lot of different peoples visited the Americas in precolumbian times. Seems most of them do not discuss the opposite possibility, that Native Americans can have visited other places. One of the few who forwarded such scenario was Tor Heyerdahl who with his Kon Tiki expedition wanted to show that ancient South Americans can have travelled to Polynesia. Actually there have been found genetic markers in some Polynesian island that indicate such contacts. Concerning the vikings there has been found a MtDNA haplogroup in 80 Icelanders who by some have been interpreted as the vikings may have brought back one or more Native American women. About Kilwa coins in Australia. Kilwa traded with among others Arabs and Indians, and there is also contacts between East Africa and China. India and China had contact with peoples in Indonesia who were known to be avid sailors. So nothing says that East Africans sailed to Australia. Austronesian sailors actually reached both Madagascar and a most island in the Pacific- Also among Melanesians not far from Australia there were chains of maritime exchange. Actually it is not very long way from Wessel Islands were the coins were found to New Guinea and not extremely far from Indonesia either. Also the coins were found on a beach, not in a controlled archaeological excavation. Europeans have been living in Australia a couple of hundred years. Some European who visited the islands can have lost the coins there. One argument for that is that the man who found the coins also found four Dutch coins from the 17th and 18th centuries. [/QB][/QUOTE]
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