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From guidelines for recent immigrants to Canada, published in January by the municipality of Herouxville, Quebec, a town of 1,300. Translated from the French by Rafil Kroll-Zaidi.
We wish, above all, to inform our new arrivals that the way of life they abandoned in leaving their country of origin cannot be reproduced here and that it is necessary for them to find a way to adapt to their new social identity.
We consider to be outside the norm all actions or gestures that are contrary to this pronouncement, such as the practice of stoning women to death in puhlic places, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them, etc.
In all of our schools, the national history of Quebec is assigned. Biology, too.
You will see men and women skiing on the same mountain and at the same time. Men and women on the same hockey team and playing at the same time on the same ice. Men and women cross-country skiing at the same time.
In our families, if the children eat beef, they will not seek to know the provenance of the beef, or who killed it, or where, or in what manner, or on what day. In our families, that which is ingested hy the mouth is meant exclusively to nourish the hody. The soul nourishes itself by other means.Posts: 2198 | Registered: Jun 2006
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Quebeckers have some identity problems that they project on immigrants, most of them speak French and the independentis movement is very strong, so it's not a good example to describe Canada by using an example in an isolated French community...
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I wish i lived in Canada. First of all Canada is a land of vast beautiful forests and vast expanses of unpopulated land. I also like the cold snowy climate of Canada very much. However the Canadian government just won't let me immigrate. The Canadian government only lets intellectuals (those with a master and doctorate degree), skilled workers, rich capital owners and investors to immigrate to Canada. It's not so easy to get a permanent residency visa to Canada.
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^That's because Canada is socialist. I prefer to think of myself as intellectual also but would never live in Canada. Visit there, no problem.
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Apparently the CIA doesn't agree with you Djehuti: Government type: Definition Field Listing constitutional monarchy that is also a parliamentary democracy and a federation Economy - overview: Definition Field Listing As an affluent, high-tech industrial society in the trillion-dollar class, Canada resembles the US in its market-oriented economic system, pattern of production, and affluent living standards. Since World War II, the impressive growth of the manufacturing, mining, and service sectors has transformed the nation from a largely rural economy into one primarily industrial and urban. The 1989 US-Canada Free Trade Agreement (FTA) and the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) (which includes Mexico) touched off a dramatic increase in trade and economic integration with the US. Given its great natural resources, skilled labor force, and modern capital plant, Canada enjoys solid economic prospects. Top-notch fiscal management has produced consecutive balanced budgets since 1997, although public debate continues over how to manage the rising cost of the publicly funded healthcare system. Exports account for roughly a third of GDP. Canada enjoys a substantial trade surplus with its principal trading partner, the US, which absorbs about 85% of Canadian exports. Canada is the US' largest foreign supplier of energy, including oil, gas, uranium, and electric power. CIA Fact Book
Maybe you meant to say that its welfare system is more similar to Scandinavian countries than to the US, but which do you think is the best the American way of treating poor people or the Canadian way?
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Ok, as a Canadian I have to speak up here, you do have to take anything produced from the Quebecois as not representative of the whole country, Canada wants immigrants desperately, we don't have enough people in this country and in the city I live in right now they bringing technological expertise up from South America, Mexico and Central America. It isn't that we only want intellectuals; it is that we wanted trained and educated people. The system works on a point basis and you get points for how educated you are, how well you speak English, what is your work experience and do you have other family members that live in Canada. Are you going to contribute to our country? If you are going to make a positive contribution then we want you but if you are just going to be another waitress, then we have plenty of people here that can do a waitressing job. You have to bring something in with you. Yes, we are a socialist country and that means free education, free healthcare and one of the highest standards of living in the world and we want to keep it that way. Why don't you try coming over on a student visa, get educated here and then we would love to have you. WE NEED PEOPLE..think about how large canada is and that we only have 30 million people in the whole country that is one tenth of the population of the US.
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Sparkle 16, I agree with most you've just said, but on the economic side, Canada is one of the most capitalist country on earth, just read what the CIA says about it. True on the social side they are more similar to European countries especially Scandinavian countries. However it is as easy to fire you as in the States and Union representation is almost the same as in the States, as a matter of fact, many Canadian Union are the same as their US counterparts...
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I don't think we are really a welfare system but we do tend to have a strong socialist representation in our government, we are not a two party system but rather a 4 major party system and the NDP which are a socialist party are strong. We pay high taxes but for that we have an excellent education system and free health care. We take care of our people, the poor, the young, the old and it doesn't matter whether or not and usually have a balanced budget.
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well, of course, if you aren't doing your job, you will be fired. There are no free rides. Unions do play a part but it is largely a capitalist country and right now our economy is very strong....we need people. There are so many immigrants coming into the country right now, I think I read that 70% of the new population is based on immigrants because we aren't having children. I like it, it makes the country a vibrant, alive place with lots of different cultures to bring into play.
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Canada is a coutry with a mostly capitalist government. The government only lets certain classes to immigrate if they meet the requirements:
1. Skilled workers (those with a master or doctorate degree)
2. Those with business experience and a legally obtained minimum net worth of $800,000 to immigrate to Canada provided that they make an investment of $400,000.
3. Those who have close relatives or family members in Canada can also become permanent residents of Canada.
4. Canada also provides protection to refugees or other persons in need of protection.
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Getting a permanent resident visa to Canada is not easy. Canada is not communist, it is a Capitalist monarchy with all the disadvantages of the capitalist system. A communist country would probably accept almost everyone, even the poor and lowest skilled workers. The system is points based and many immigrants that apply get rejected by their points system. Canada is known as a rich country not only economically but also rich naturally with the most beautiful landscapes and forests in the world. I also like the cold snowy climate and the long winters very much.
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Canada is a wonderful place! IF I did not come to USA, I would have gone to Canada with the rest of my relatives! Quebec is a little different but otherwise it is nice to add a little quirkness to the orderliness of Toronto! see allyuh at Caribana!
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Canada is not a monarchy and hasn't been since 1976 when Trudeau brought home the constitution. We are a capitalist demoncracy. We do have a governor general who is Canada's representative to the throne but we have been independent for years.
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I live in Israel and here we don't have so much land and water as compared to Canada. I'm not taking about forced integration, i talk about anarchism. Anarchism in my opinion would have been much better. In my opinion it would have been much better if there were no such thing as states or governments at all. As well as coercing the many and protecting the rich few, government can make laws which restrict the freedom of movement for many people. Without state governments, people will be allowed to go wherever they need or please without government to deport or arrest them. Government is an unnecessary evil in this case.
quote:Originally posted by Arwa: From guidelines for recent immigrants to Canada, published in January by the municipality of Herouxville, Quebec, a town of 1,300. Translated from the French by Rafil Kroll-Zaidi.
We wish, above all, to inform our new arrivals that the way of life they abandoned in leaving their country of origin cannot be reproduced here and that it is necessary for them to find a way to adapt to their new social identity.
We consider to be outside the norm all actions or gestures that are contrary to this pronouncement, such as the practice of stoning women to death in puhlic places, burning them alive, burning them with acid, circumcising them, etc.
In all of our schools, the national history of Quebec is assigned. Biology, too.
You will see men and women skiing on the same mountain and at the same time. Men and women on the same hockey team and playing at the same time on the same ice. Men and women cross-country skiing at the same time.
In our families, if the children eat beef, they will not seek to know the provenance of the beef, or who killed it, or where, or in what manner, or on what day. In our families, that which is ingested hy the mouth is meant exclusively to nourish the hody. The soul nourishes itself by other means.
So what's your point. There is nothing overtly racist or bigoted there. It's just letting people know this is how things are going to be in this country.
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I never said Canada was totally socialist with no capitalism. I merely said it has socialist policies, which democrats here in the US are trying to emulate.
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^That is just as bad as communism. I believe a balance-- somewhere in between, is in order.
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Pray for the welfare of the government. Without it men would eat each other alive.
------------------------------ truth is prism refracted fact i'm just another point of view
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What's so bad about communism? In communism everyone can have the same amount of private property for free. Poor people can register more property, so there will be no homeless or hungry people. And all work is voluntary because we need only a small amount of voluntary work to satisfy the need for the common necessities like food and clothes, school teachers and doctors.
We need a share system, not an exchange system. A system with exchange and accumulation is a capitalist system, with all the disadvantages it brings with it. Dependency and a lack of individual freedom, economic inequality, a centralized control system with a gigantic bureaucracy, the money system and value papers, banks, people who make prices, people who demand money payments, receive and count the money payments, people who steal money, people who chase, stop and arrest the thiefs, people building cashiers machines, pay interest, mortgages, robbery, murder for financial gain, gambling, etc. So much effort is wasted on the administration of the money system, so that only a small amount of people actually produce anything useful.
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^You obviously don't know anything about the communist governments that have or still do exist.
In communism, all property is government owned and whatever 'private' property you do have comes directly from the government. All work wages are set by the government which means you cannot become wealthy. Any people that are wealthy is because they are high government officials. Government rules peoples lives and not the people themselves. You do not have a voice of your own as individual, and any threat the government percieves of you means your life is in jeopardy!
Just ask the victims (that are still alive) from the Soviet Union. Just ask those groups or peoples in China pursecuted by the Chinese government. Just ask all the folks in Cuba whose economy is stagnant.
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quote:Just ask the victims (that are still alive) from the Soviet Union. Just ask those groups or peoples in China pursecuted by the Chinese government. Just ask all the folks in Cuba whose economy is stagnant.
Good points...
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But capitalist governments aren't better. Capitalist governments force everyone to pay money for goods and services and if they don't have money, they starve. This means that both systems are rubbish. We need a share system which will liberate the individual and give everyone maximum freedom. The Soviet Union wasn't communist, it was state capitalist.
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^I think you need to brush up on your history. The Soviet Union was a full blown communist government.
There is nothing wrong with capitalism. Capitalism ensures individual freedom and competition between members of society which in turn strengthens society. Now, a full blown capitalist society that only cares about profit and not about the people is also a problem and can prove to be just as bad as communism.
Such characteristics are just starting to emerge in the US government today, when officials start making business deals with other countries at the expense of citizens jobs or even jeopardizing national security. However the US is NOT a full-blown libertarian society. If it were, we would not have medicare, medicade, wellfare, and the ever powerful IRS. Name one US citizen that you know of is actually "starving". Although I am not saying such people don't exist, but with the current system we have such a scenerio is highly unlikely.
Here's an idea: if you prefer a communist society, why don't you move out of the country and into a communist nation like Cuba, China, or North Korea?? Ironically many citizens of those nations are literally dying to leave their homelands, yet folks like you want to change your nation to be like theirs?!
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Actually the Communists were leftist and they said they were fighting for freedom. In Spain they sided with the anarchists. The Communists and the anarchists were the same people or the same type of people. The Communists were for having government but only temporarily. This was at least only good on paper. They said that their government was necessary only until the whole world was Communist. After the world was Communist they wanted to dissolve the government and have an anarchy. They also wanted to abolish money and class inequality. This was at least only good on paper.
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^Of course I never said Communists were rightwing! They were always leftists. But again, communism is just as corrupt as the far right fascism.
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Capitalism is just as corrupt as communism and anarchism. In capitalism workers have to sell their labor in order to survive and those who are not paid enough for their work, remain poor. People have to pay for electricity, water, food & drink, toilet papers, insurance, taxes etc. Those who do not earn enough money to cover all these costs, remain poor and miserable. What i mean is that one can do without a car (there is public transportation), without a television, without a computer and even a telephone but one cannot do without a home, without electricity, without running water, without food and drink, without a toilet and without toilet papers. Our God-given rights are taken from us by the very same people (the Capitalist class) who bully and oppress us. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070419/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/jobless_claimsPosts: 118 | Registered: Mar 2005
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quote:Originally posted by Player 13: Capitalism is just as corrupt as communism and anarchism...
Yes, it can be if left unchecked which is what I said several posts ago. By the way, the opposite of communism is not anarchism but libertarianism. Capitalism is not a form of government but a kind of economic policy that is the very basis of libertarianism the same way socialism is the basis of communism. Anarchism whent there are no government systems at all-- not federal or local but total self autonomy which means no nations.
quote:...In capitalism workers have to sell their labor in order to survive and those who are not paid enough for their work, remain poor. People have to pay for electricity, water, food, toilet papers, insurance, taxes etc. Those who do not earn enough money to cover all these costs, remain poor and miserable.
Unfortunately, in life in general one must always sacrifice some form of effort or work to achieve anything-- even basic necessities. As an old Biblical proverb goes: "A man who does not work, does not eat"
Even before money existed, people had to work to feed themselves either by growing and herding their own food or by foraging and hunting. You can't just expect things to be provided to you. Something is always sacrificed. In communist societies where you are provided for, the cost is that you lose your freedom.
Seriously, are you that lazy??!
quote:What i mean is that one can do without a car (there is public transportation), a television, a computer and even a telephone but one cannot do without a home, without electricity, without running water, without food and drink, without a toilet and without toilet papers. Our God-given rights are taken from us by the very same people (the Capitalist class) who bully and oppress us.
LOL Having a home is a right yes, but since when does it have to be provided to you? There are people who build their own houses and so don't have to pay anything. Also, electricity maybe a necessity to YOU, but a person can live without it, and certainly toilet paper! LOL Also, who at least in America is suffering from the conditions you described? Again, not only do we socialist instutions in place like welfare, but if not there are at least homeless shelters one can go to!
Also, how are capitalists "bullies"?? Capitalists have taken away NOTHING from poor people but merely earned everything they have (well most of them at least). Some of the richest people here in the US come from the poorest backgrounds. To say that they have "taken away" things or "bullying" others is an insult to them and their personal lives and backgrounds!
^And? So there are people without jobs. There are plenty of job opportunities out there, if they are that desperate they could easily take one. If not they could create jobs of their own.
Seriously, not only do sound like lazy bum, but very ignorant as well. If you think capitalism is so "bad" or "tough" try living the oldest economic life in the world-- a hunter-gatherer and tell me how tough it is. You don't see those people complain. You don't see wild animals complaining about having to either hunt for their food or escape from predators! Competition and surivival is the game of life, and to stay in the game (keep living) you have to work either hard or smart.
Again I ask, if you don't like the capitalist society you live in, why don't you move into a communist nation like North Korea who will try to provide everything you need, depending on how loyal you are-- if you don't mind being a puppet of the government and not having a mind of your own.
Really, judging by your attitude, I not only find you to be lazy and ignorant but pathetic as well--considering you have the screen title of "player" LOL
How does the saying go again?:
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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I agree that even in a communist utopia where everything is found in abundance and there is no poverty, people will still have to work. Without work there is no production and without production the means of life would be absent. People have to produce all the time in order to live. Without modern technology (which relies on electricity) like refrigeration, cryogenics, cars, washing machines, airplanes, toilets, computers, telephones and medicine we all would have been very poor. But in order to be productive, people need to have the knowledge so at least the education should be free for everyone. However half of all human effort in the capitalist world is wasted in the management of the money system. People who count money, people who make prices, cashiers who demand money payments, people who steal money, police who chase and arrest the thiefs, people gambling for money, worrying about money, paying money, people keep track of money accounts, writing cheques, people building cashiers machines, etc... Without money the world will be a lot better.
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Regarless of what we say, people will never leave USA or Canada to migrate to Eastern Europe or China! As a matte of fact, it is the other way around. People leave elsewhere to come to the USA or Canada where they know there will be more freedom, real or imaginary. Capitalism or communism is just incidental in the matter!
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^Indeed Yazid. The truth is because the US and other non-communist and capitalist statess do have more freedom than the former.
quote:Originally posted by Player 13: I agree that even in a communist utopia where everything is found in abundance and there is no poverty, people will still have to work. Without work there is no production and without production the means of life would be absent...
LOL You are really oblivious aren't you? Since when does living in a communist society mean that "everythingg is found in abundance"?? Maybe you should go tell that to the people in North Korea who are starving to death!
quote:...People have to produce all the time in order to live. Without modern technology (which relies on electricity) like refrigeration, cryogenics, cars, washing machines, airplanes, toilets, computers, telephones and medicine we all would have been very poor.
Not really! Of course human societies have existed long before modern utilities like electricity and yet were still economically successful and even wealthy. Why do you equate wealth with technology only? Are YOU one of those people without it, even though you are now communicating using a computer?
quote:...But in order to be productive, people need to have the knowledge so at least the education should be free for everyone. However half of all human effort in the capitalist world is wasted in the management of the money system. People who count money, people who make prices, cashiers who demand money payments, people who steal money, police who chase and arrest the thiefs, people gambling for money, worrying about money, paying money, people keep track of money accounts, writing cheques, people building cashiers machines, etc... Without money the world will be a lot better.
^What you say is ridiculous and obviously goes by the philosophy that "money is the root of all evil". Money is not the root of evil, people are. The only true statement you have made is that knowledge is important and that education should be more widespread. The problem is that not enough people, or rather very few people at all are educate in the subject of money and finances.
Here is the 1st lesson: Money is a tool that should be used by a person and not the other way around.
The problem with our financial society today is that many peoples lives are being runned by money, when it should be the other way around. Many people, especially here in the US have no financial freedom but are constantly in debt and having to pay someone. If more people were educated in financial matters this would not happen.
As for your complaints about crimes being committed in the name of profit, I have some news for you-- CRIMES WERE BEING COMMITTED LONG BEFORE MONEY EVEN EXISTED!
So do not whine to us about your financial woes. There are ways to solve them and do something about it!
You talk about the "capitalist elite". Well Oprah Winfrey is one of them and yet she grew up from a dirt poor family in Mississipi. So obviously the opportunities exist. Don't get mad at folks for their economic achievements. Or as they say "don't hate"
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^Indeed Yazid. The truth is because the US and other non-communist and capitalist statess do have more freedom than the former.
Freedom for those who have money. For those who don't have money (the poor), there is no freedom in capitalist states. I always thought freedom is a right but in capitalist states people need to earn their freedom.
Though many associate the free market concept with capitalism, there are some critics —notably anarchists, mutualists, and free market socialists, who believe that a non coercive "free market" and capitalism are not only not synonymous, but are often contradictory. They argue that particular aspects of capitalism actually violate the ability of individuals to trade in the absence of coercion. They view capitalist regulations, including the enforcement of property in land and exclusive rights to natural resources, as unjustly enclosing upon what should be owned by all, forcing those without property to sell their labor to capitalists and landlords in a market favorable to the latter, thus forcing them to accept low wages in order to survive.
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^LOL You obviously don't have a clue as to what I said, do you?
All people who have no financial freedom are people who have money! Financial freedom means not having to work so hard for money or not being in so much debt. Financial freedom means having the freedom to spend more for yourself.
In a sense, poor people are financially free because they do not owe any money to anyone, simply because they have very little or no money to begin with.
The fact of the matter is, in our society there too many opportunities for a person to have little or no money. Most of the homeless people you see in the streets are perfectly capable of working and earning money, but they don't for one reason or another.
Again, I agree that unchecked capitalism can lead to corruption and corporate greed. However, as long as the system is checked there shouldn't be any problems.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: ^LOLAgain, I agree that unchecked capitalism can lead to corruption and corporate greed. However, as long as the system is checked there shouldn't be any problems.
Capitalism is based on individual greed. In capitalism every individual wants to make profit. Capitalism also permits great inequalities in wealth and ownership. What i don't like about capitalism is that private sellers, workers and cashiers act in many ways as government by having the power to determine the prices that people have to pay to them. Even if the prices are constrained by supply and demand, having the power to set prices is a privilege. And i'm not talking about state capitalism and degenerate/deformed workers states like the USSR under Stalin. These regimes still used government coercion and a money system. Only when government coercion and the money system are abolished, then we'll have true communism.
Here is a simple and practical post-capitalist program everyone can donate to which can put an end to all the suffering the current system causes:
quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Competition and surivival is the game of life, and to stay in the game (keep living) you have to work either hard or smart. Death is an option but i don't recommend it.
According to social darwinism, humans compete for resources and survival just like other animals. It is called survival of the fittest. So according to this logic, the strong, wealthy and smart ones survive and the rest should be allowed to suffer and die off?
Capitalism is based on human nature, on greed, and that is its great failing. Communism improves on human nature. Capitalists let their fellows starve for lack of food, die for lack of health care or medicine, freeze for lack of fuel, housing, clothing -- simply if their fellows lack money. Communists help others on principle.
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Greed is good!!!. WALL STREET. It brings out the best in all of us. True capitalism is a better system. But even in the US is not a true capitalist scociety. There is a lot of protectionsim and subsidizing. Keep out smaller nations. . . with better goods . . .from certain markets.
The main failings of communism is
1. Too utopian - does not/did not take into account human nature ie greed and the need to move up the social ladder. We all )most) want better for our kids.
2. "Need" for a God and faith. This is still within our/human nature.
Capitalism can and does take care it's poor and elderly.
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Competition and surivival is the game of life, and to stay in the game (keep living) you have to work either hard or smart. Death is an option but i don't recommend it.
According to social darwinism, humans compete for resources and survival just like other animals. It is called survival of the fittest. So according to this logic, the strong, wealthy and smart ones survive and the rest should be allowed to suffer and die off?
Capitalism is based on human nature, on greed, and that is its great failing. Communism improves on human nature. Capitalists let their fellows starve for lack of food, die for lack of health care or medicine, freeze for lack of fuel, housing, clothing -- simply if their fellows lack money. Communists help others on principle.
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Yes it is a bit long and dry but this is THE LAW...
1-Canada is a socialistic oriented country
2-the most socialistic oriented is the Province of Quebec..
3-Canada is a constitutional monarchy this is why we have Governor General who is the direct representative of the Queen..
4-the person who holds up the ultimate power is the Governor General who can dismiss any elected government and call in for new general elections..
Also election dates are around every 4 yrs but the limit to any term of the government is 5 yrs.Even after that they could stay in power another year before calling an election..
5-The power is held by the PM-Prime Minister who is the chief of the party that has the most seats in Parliament-BUT the Governor General is not obliged to call him uo to form the government..it can be any party...
Example-right now we have a minority government by the Conservatives;to stay in power they need the votes of the Bloc Quebec(so-called separatists).
Now the Liberals-second party with most seats in Parliament could if the current government is defeated on a confidence vote be asked by the Governor general to try their stake to form a new government..
6-The Governor General can accept the resignation of the Conservative but is NOT OBLIGED to call elections(as per the corrupt media over here is saying).
Furthermore the defeated Conservatives could in fact try to set up a new government with the acceptation by the Governor General..
7-Also Parliament- it is the party in power that sets up the dates of the Sessions(when the elected deputies will be in Parliament).
The party can at anytime suspend the present session,start a new one, etc..
8-If a session is terminated all present bills are dead and they must start over all again..by presenting the same bills all over again..or in an amended form.
The budget is concocted in SECRET and officially presented to the Parliament by the Governor General at the beginning of the new session..
9-We also have a Senate of non elected officials-nomimated by the Federal party in power-they are political hacks,favors given to defeated candidates etc..these senators can stop the passing of bill to a period of 6 months despite the fact that the parliament voted for it..
They can conduct inquiry commissions,present bills but they must tbe approved by the deputies in order to become law(a bill has to be presented 3 times) and then signed on by the Governor General in order to become law-the Governor Geberal could in fact refuse to sign it if he chooses so..
10-Sorry about the above ,a bit technical
[All these infos were taught in high schools before the too many reforms-now students are just dumbs ,stupids and overweighted]
11-IMPORTANT thing here-the PM-Prime Minister is the one that chooses his ministers...with his NON ELECTED ADVISORS..
Then when they meet the ministers are bound by the excutive decision-meaning that they cannot vote vs any govermental measures,express any public opinions that go vs the general views help up by the govenrment(usually the budget measures)
12-At the ministers meetings it is the PM SOLELY that has the final say-he tells them what to do-if a minister is not in agreement with a decision he has only one option,to resign and become a backbencher..
13-The deputies-every party has a WHIP in charge of the discipline so they must toe in the party line or else- it can go to the expulsion of the party..
14-Each party has regular CAUCUS(meetings of just the deputies)that is secret and NO one can directly talk about it or else immediate expulsion is usually the sanction..
There they can denigrate each others and wash their dirty linens but when the caucus is finished they all show unamity in front of the media and deputies that were at reach others throats(up to physically) shake hands in front of the media and declare themselves to be the best of friends.
15-The deputies of each party are chosen by the PM-he does this when offering safe seats(sure election) for important business people or otherwise that he wants to bring in and be chosen by him as ministers of one kind or another... A deputy selected by the PM to become a minister must accept the PM choice where the wants to place him-if he refuses then he is not chosen a sa minister..so people that have speciality in one area are seldonm chosen to be minister in that area...
16-Also members of each electoral " county"(electoral circonscription) do hold up a meeting-usually when elections are called-the acting president of the said party might not be chosen to become a candidate and selected ;
-another person can be chosen ,usually a newcomer that has the backing of the higher ups in the political party at the national level..that wants to become a candiate..
But anything goes here and corruption is prevalent as to who is choosen- this is prevalent for all parties..
17-The boundary of each electoral circumscription is now edcided by an independent body (Director of General elections,Revision Commission) that makes suggestions to Parliament that HAS the final say in it..
18-If an election is contested-it has to go in front of a judge that then do a judicial count.We have paper ballots overhere...It it pretty straight forward..
19- When a deputy is defeated or leaves office ALL of his FILES ,that is of his electors that contacted him for a problem ro another can be DESTROYED thus the new MP(deputy) has a now a clean slate and the unfortunate people that had a dossier with their previous deputy must start all over again..
(also when a new government ther eis a change in political advisors,political appointees that oversee the bureaucray in order to make sure that the governmental Bills, etc are properly implemented by the said governmental bureaucracy..)
20-It is done to protect "privacy" of the citizens..But this rule can vary from provinces to provinces or from deputy to deputy..If the departing deputy leaves in good term with his party then the new elected deputy-if of the same party ,he can inherit(?) some of the past dossiers,files etc..to insure some continuity-bti zero garantees here..
Hence a new deputy can claim ignorance of a perticular dossier by the unfortunate citizen..
20-The PM can be chosen in rare occasion by his deputies but usually it is a deputy or an outsider then he has to go on a campaign and recruit members in his party and then the chief of the party is elected-at a general convention or a country wide vote by ordinary party members..the one remaining or getting the most votes wins..
21-Even if a candidate for deputy is chosen and the chiefof the party does not like him he can be destituted and someone else chosen-all political parties do that..to keep out the "bad weeds" or people that show signs of being too independently minded..
22-This is why Canada that has at least 33% of its people that are non Europeans still has a PM that is white,Eof uropean descent aand s are most of his ministers and next to all of his personal advisers-they are the real power brokers.. The present Governor General is of Haitian origin..She was chosen by teh former PM..for 5 yrs period that can be renewed or not..
23-If the PM has a serious disagreement with the Governor Geenral he cannot fire him-he must seek permission from the Queen of England and UK and she has then final say in this matter.. Also all MP must pledge allegience to the Queen of England before being able to occupy their in the Parliament..
All federal employees must also pledge that oath as well..Same for the provinces but it can vary...
24-Bills presented in Parliament are concocted behind closed doors,then they have public hearings in a parliamentary commission that may make amendments or not-even if it is amended the PM can discart it and present the original bill thus by -passing his deputies wishes.. or have it stuck in limbo,bewteen the 3 commssion sessions and have it stuck up in the Senate
25-When a Bill is enacted it still does need royal sanction by the Governor General- that too can be stalled here for months-then after it is law a set of RULES/BYLAWS(to specific how the law is to be applied and interpreted.
-Thus rule XXX can contradict rule YYY to a degree ;in fact most Bills tend to have these dispositions-thus leaving it to the Judges(nominated by the government,not elected) to decide on its real legal interpretation ;
26-These explanatory rules are done by the legal governmental bureaucracry,in secret..zero public accountability to put it into legalese language
27-If a bill via its rules is unenrforceable or too unpopular then the only option is for the governemnt to amend these rules but as many are set up in such a way that a new Bill in Parliament must be introduced in order to limit the "damage" or change it ;so it is an uphill battle..
28-Also if judge misinterpret a bylaw ,enacting a new rule clarification then this new item now becomes law(it is usually appealed;
it can go up to the Supreme Court-which takes around 5-7 yrs or more) and the governemnt has little choice but to go back to Parliament and enacte a new bill midifying the new rule4s that have been decided by the non -elected judge..
29-A corrupt judge or too controversial can only be demoted by his peers(an extraodianry reunion fo all the judges)-thsi cannto be appaled in the Courts..they have thew final authority..
30-Judges come from lawyers that have a party affiliation with the party in power;they usually are 2nd rate lawyers,not making too much $$$ in the private sector;sometimes they can come from the govenrmental agencies/bureaucracies;or a lawyer at the end of his private career that is seeking out a prestigious post,etc..
Many judges do come from ex defated MPs that were lawyers to begin with..
Many MPs and PMs have been lawyers in the past..
31-FInal points-the media over here is 95 % controlled by a few big familes/conglomerates..
Canada is intergrating its services with the US-bureaucracy,police ,etc..
32-A word about the "separatists"- there never WAS A SEPARATIST party in Quebec..except in the 1960's..at that time nationalist- terrorist groups planted bombs for a period of about 8 yrs etc..but these groups were controlled by various governmental agencies..
33-The October Crisis of 1970 was instigated by the governmentand othwer agencies using a few useful idiots... etc and used to implement martial law,arrests of hundreds of suspects via the police,army ,etc..,seizure of their assets in certain cases,.. and destroyed next to all non governmental groups that were independent..
34-It was an attempt to stifle the separatists in Quebec that really got the message...
35-The Parti Quebecois formed its now deceased founder Rene Levesque always wanted a sort of UNION with Canada..They never wanted a real independent country like Switzerland for isntances..They were never independentists to begin with..they monopolize and have since then all the "separatists"-
36-The Bloc Quebecois was set up to counter the too centralized Liberal Party;they are not a separatist party..
37-Presently in Quebec we have a Liberal governing party with the most seats but still in the minority
38-The Parti Quebecois is for a socialist bureaucracy;the Liberals are socialist oriented;they have promised to reduce the governmental apparatus but do excatly the contrary .
And they are passing more socialistic measures.As for the ADQ- since they arenow the 2nd party in opposition from conservatives they are suddenly becoming socialistic oriented also
39-The Provincial parties and provinces parliament are similar to the one set up ia tthe Federal level..same structure power,etc..except they each have a Lieutenant Governor..
40- The Government can set up ad hoc commissions(comped of differentpeople,experts,etc..which can include an MP or 2) outside of parliamentary range to find out solutions,problems but they tend to make impressive reports that tend stack up dust on shelves..thus they can claim they are studying the problem whatever it might be..
41-Also if the recommendations of the Ad Hoc Commission(or it could be a public inquiry-that usually has many lawyers on it,sometimes with an appointed judge only ,etc..) is accepted the in order to become LAW it must go through the parliamentarty commissions stages and parliamentary vote..
42-The Herouxville Affair- that was a SET-UP-they took some muslim fundamentalist women ,sent them up to a local hick(backward) town and had a good media show as the locals were painted as ignorant bigots..
43-This was a media set , that to promote the vision of evil fundamentalist muslims.
The muslims ,those in the majority ,that respects the customs,liberty and civil law ove rhere and whose women are HAPPY not to wear ANY ISLAMIC DRESSES are never interviewed.
44-When the media need a muslim they ALWAYS pick up a veiled woman with his bearded husband /handler in the background looking like an emulate of Ben Laden !
The "liberated religious women" always say they are very ahappy to follow islamic law and are looking forward to have their islamic rights implemented/respected like having a swimming pool just for women(veileld of course,etc...)
45-Latest craze- election Canada did permit muslim women to vote veiled at recent Federal by-elections thus despite the governmental outcry-,all other political parties,public,etc..the reply was- we(bureaucrats) have interpreted the law as it was written ; thus you politicians simply change the law..
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quote:Originally posted by Djehuti: Competition and surivival is the game of life, and to stay in the game (keep living) you have to work either hard or smart. Death is an option but i don't recommend it.
According to social darwinism, humans compete for resources and survival just like other animals. It is called survival of the fittest. So according to this logic, the strong, wealthy and smart ones survive and the rest should be allowed to suffer and die off?
Capitalism is based on human nature, on greed, and that is its great failing. Communism improves on human nature. Capitalists let their fellows starve for lack of food, die for lack of health care or medicine, freeze for lack of fuel, housing, clothing -- simply if their fellows lack money. Communists help others on principle.
Capitalism is a flawed system. Every system devised by humanity has its drawbacks, since humans are fallible. Even democracy has its problems. However, what matters is not which system is flawless but which system works best.
Communism may work for a small tribe or band, but it hasn't been shown to work on the basis of a big country like China or Russia. Almost every time a whole country has aimed to practice communism, it has failed to reach its goals. Plus, there seems to be a tendency for complex societies to form hierarchies. Ever notice that hierarchy has formed for every civilized society? Africans, Asians, Europeans, Native Americans, and Oceanians all developed organized hierarchies despite miles of geographic separation and markedly different cultural values. I think there is something in human nature that leads to that, and I have never seen communists propose a reasonable method to suppress that instinct.
I believe some type of capitalism is the best system because it is not as unrealistically utopian as communism, but at the same time is more egalitarian and free than, say, olgiarchy or aristocracy, since anyone in theory could form a business. Now, I don't believe in the sort of laissez-faire capitalism as the extremely right-wing types, since big corporations can act very abusively in the name of greed, but so long as there exists a social support system (welfare) and regulations, capitalism is better than the alternatives.
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For those interested in the meris or ills or capitalism vs socialism/communism, I do recommend that you go to this website and listen to some of the " educational blurbs"as well as of the recordings of/interviews done by Alan Watt.
He is one of the VERY FEW that has had a take on what actually is really going on..outside or normality "box"
Over many years I have seen able to personally verify what he is saying,that at the top the "big boys" are all in the same club...
SO far what he is saying is 100% accurate.Because of his recent interviews many anti-semites,Jew bashers and Arab/muslim haters have had to start changing their discourse to retain some credibility..
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como dicen la gente ' Don't hate the player, hate the game..... and try to change it!
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I want to live in Canada but the government won't let me.
I think the main reason Canada is rejecting immigration is because the resources they have are insufficient to support all those that wish to come there.
I mean coal and natural gas is found in finite amount in nature so Canada has finite amount of it. Land, arable land and water are also in finite amount.
Do you think Canada has enough natural resources and raw materials to allow everyone, namely 7 billion people live in their country?
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Here's an idea: if you prefer a communist society, why don't you move out of the country and into a communist nation like Cuba, China, or North Korea?? Ironically many citizens of those nations are literally dying to leave their homelands, yet folks like you want to change your nation to be like theirs?!
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