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Egyptians depicted theseselves as white with a slight red tint in thousands of pictures. Typical Med caucasian population. They made CLEAR pictorial distinctions between themselves and Nubians.
The only black representations were those statues and paintings that dealth with death. Many ignorant afrocentrics post these pictures and try to pass them off as realistic. In addition many Nubians served as mercenaries in the egyptian army.
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quote:Originally posted by Wally: Greeks in Keme; an example of White acculturation in a Black society...
A small side note. Modern North Africans and Mediterraneans are both physically and genetically mixed race. Lets not give ground to foolish Eurocentrics by classifying this BROWN race of people with WOOLY HAIR as 'WHITE'. I work and live with SEVERAL Cairo Egytpians, and none of them would classify themselves as white, and most of them in Western socieities would be classified as Black.... not in the UK, but definately in the US. Anybody who classifies Egyptians as white has probably never been to Egypt or the mediteranean. Also to note, Egyptians consume more in the way of skin lightening creams and hair relaxers than Africans do...
Also of note: Egyptians (in spite of heavy arabic cultural influence) are still phenotypically very different to most Arab races, and they are aware of this physical differentiation, as are Arab's. They have typical 'mixed race' type features that are often a dead giveaway of modern Berber communities.
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Just so we don't get it twisted, the Greek vases with black colored characters don't show ethnic blacks in most cases. It's just a style called "black figure."
In the case of mythological Herakles, he was of known African ancestry per the mythos.
quote: the Greeks, however (those I mean who gave the son of Amphitryon that name), took the name from the Egyptians, and not the Egyptians from the Greeks, is I think clearly proved, among other arguments, by the fact that both the parents of Heracles, Amphitryon as well as Alcmena, were of Egyptian origin.
Herodotus Histories 2.48
Unlike the hydrias in an earlier post, there are examples which do depict ethnic blacks.
________ AMASIS ____________________________ KIRKE DRUGGING ODYSSEUS
These guys below are just your normal average near white ancient Greeks (even this Herakles vs the Erymanthean boar).
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Hellenistic depictions of young Kemetics. -
One noteworthy aspect of these two images is the hairstyle worn in short plaited rows, compare
In Egyptian stele art this hairstyle has been deliberately misinterpreted by Eurocentric scholars as a wig, whereas, we can see from the bust above that it was no more than a natural plaiting of the hair, only possible with naturally tightly curled hair. The hair is carefully plaited in circular rows horizontally. Both the Egyptian and Hellenistic artists have painstakingly revealed this in their portraits. This is typically Kemetic and differentiated from other black peoples, particularly the blacks of Southern Europe and Kush.
Alternatively, compare this artworks showing the blacks of Southern Europe (ie. Italy and Sicily [Etruscan/Vulci]) who seemed to favour the wearing of hair in China bump formation:
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Altk. . . keeping all that good info to yourself? Also great work Narmer
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Excellent depictions. Most remind me of Aristotle's own descriptions:
quote:Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, **and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair**.
---Aristotle (Physiognomics)
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It's a poor repro but here's a nappy headed Herakles choking the living **** out of Busiris and pals (better seen in Image of the Black in Western Art Vol. 1 p.141.
And this is the other side of the same hydria.
At one time Myra offered us clearer color images of this work but has since then maybe had to rescind them.
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Originally found by Malibudsul..
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@Narmer, even if the depictions are of wigs, would white people depict themselves in curly afros or dreadlocks??????????? Our evidence is overwhelming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 71 | From: Cleve OH | Registered: Apr 2007
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