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I think that it's about time that we start phasing out the term "Nubia" as a euphemism for "Negro"; "Ethiopian" ; ad nauseum -- This, of course, will not be easy; it took how long before 'Africans: African-Americans' replaced 'coloreds' and 'negroes'?
Reasons to not use the term:
a) There is no region or people in the Mtau Ntr called "Nubians"; this was applied by the Romans to the gold mining region of Upper Egypt/Sudan, and is derived from the Mtau Ntr word "nub" for gold...
b) In the Mtau Ntr "Nubi;Nubiu" simply means 'gold miner(s)' or 'goldsmiths'...
c) Kush/Ekush (Kushi/Ekushi) was in what is now Upper Egypt/Sudan and is NOT "Nubia"...
d) Ethaosh are the contries on the frontier of Kemet...
e) Saba/Sheba (Meroe) is in the same region and it also is NOT "Nubia"...
f) The ACTUAL Nubians (Nuubi) are today an ethnic minority, inhabiting Upper Egypt and Sudan, their population is roughly 300,000...
g) The proper term for "Negroes"; "Ethiopians" would be "Kememou"...
..."kememou" is found in Budge's dictionary and is derived from the root word "kemem"; to be, or become black.
Keep in mind that the Mtau Ntr is not a dead language, only a suppressed one , relegated to the liturgy of the modern Coptic church. Without leaving Egypt, let's take a look at an example of its modern usage:
SAHIDIC COPTIC
Black
kame....black (Mtau Ntr: Kmt) kemi....black (Mtau Ntr: Kmt) kmme....black (Mtau Ntr: Kmmt) kmom....be, become black (Mtau Ntr: Kmm)
The "W" or "OU" placed at the end of a word means "ones" or plural; so in modern Coptic, Kmmou means "Black ones", or "Blacks" it's that simple. And this word has been used, as far as has been recorded, from the beginning of Ancient Egyptian civilization...
"Egyptologists" have been taught to use camouflaged terms such as 'Egypt' or 'Egyptians' rather than 'Black Nation - Km.t nw' or 'Blacks - kmemou' for obvious reasons...
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quote:Originally posted by Clyde Winters: The insistence on making Ethiopia=Kush has also affected how we percieve who the Kushites were. Whereas, the Kushites in Meroitic constantly acknowledged that the Nubians were their enemy people continue to maintain that the Nubians were Kushites.
I stop using the term Nubian a long time ago, replaced with the term Kemetian, Kememou and Kush (Ta -Seti) or just those Black dudes who build Kemet.
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You can compare and contrast the original article to the one below; which I have edited and refined for more accuracy...
Egyptian Names of pa Ethosh (the frontier, the interior)
All of the lands south and southeast of Egypt (sometimes also including the northeast) the Egyptians called, Tanoute, "God's Land." Within this great region, the Egyptians located the different countries and peoples of Ethosh. From the Old Kingdom onward, in addition to Ta- Seti, the Egyptians applied the name TaNahas as a general designation for Ethosh (n.b., nahas means, "suden;" Panahasi, "the sudeni" becomes a common personal name, developing into the Biblical name, Phineas). At the same time, Egyptians gave the name Wawat (Rebel) specifically to Lower Ethosh. This name derived from one of several Ethoshi chiefdoms which were located in this region during the late Old Kingdom. A generic designation of the desert nomads of Ethosh was the term Ontiu set , "Desert bowmen." The names which the Egyptians used to refer to the various parts of Ethosh and its different peoples usually changed depending upon the era and the particular ethnic group in a given area.
Elsewhere in the Old Kingdom, the names Irtjet , Zatju , and Kaau were used for particular people and areas of the country. While, previously, they were thought to be in Lower Ethosh, David O'Connor has recently made a strong case for locating them in Upper Ethosh. The Land of Yam , visited by Harkhuf, Governor of Abu (Elephant-ine), in the late 6th Dynasty, was apparently located around the Fifth or Sixth Cataracts. The Land of Punt (Pawon.t: the Existence; origination) was a country located east of Upper Ethosh and bordering on Kemwer; the Great Black Sea (later the Red Sea ; i.e., extending from the highlands to the sea). Since the Old Kingdom, the Egyptians often enjoyed a productive relationship with an Ethoshi ethnic people from the land of the Matoi (also M'djaiu)(called the "Pan-Grave People" by archaeologists). As fierce warriors, they were incorporated as mercenaries into the Egyptian army as early as the 6th Dynasty. Later in the New Kingdom, they were employed as the police force in Egypt, and the word matoi became the ancient Egyptian term for "policeman."
From the Middle Kingdom onward, the Egyptians regularly used the name Kush to refer to the powerful independent kingdom based in Upper Ethosh, first at Kerma (until that was destroyed by the Egyptians in the sixteenth century BC), thereafter at Napata , then Saba (renamed Meroe). Kush is identified as the Land of Kush in the Holy Bible. Kush's political dependency was the territory of Sha'at (in the region of the Isle of Sai). Other names attested at this time (mostly in execration texts) are: Iryshek, Tua, Imana'a and Ruket . In the eastern mountains were Awshek and Webet- sepat .
In the early 18th Dynasty, the Egyptians also used the name Khentu-honnefer ("Founders of the Perfect Order") to refer to Kush, especially during the military campaigns of Ahmose and Tuthmosis I. It appears as a general designation of the area of Upper Ethosh between the Second and Fourth Cataracts, and designates the region for which the city of Kerma was the center or capital. The name Irem was applied in the 18th Dynasty to the people who apparently lived in the southern reach of the Dongola Bend (i.e., the old territory of Yam). Later in the dynasty, the name Karoy was applied to the vicinity of Napata.
In the Late Period and during the Kingdom of Saba , the name, Island of Saba , was given to the triangular stretch of land on the east bank of the Nile, south of the Fifth Cataract. This section, dominated by the city of Saba, was bordered on the north by the Atbara River, on the west by the Nile, and on the south by the Blue Nile. The Island of Saba was the heartland of Sabaean (aka Meroitic) civilization and the political and cultural center of the Kingdom of Saba from ca. 590 BC to AD 300.
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It's just laziness that's all.. for some people just labeling everyone below the Kemetian boarder under the broad term "Nubian" is enough something they would never do when studing other civilizations and regions of the world no one will call Sumerian = Babylonians, Etruscans = Romans Mayans= Aztec, take the restoration dynasty the 17th they were at once at war with Kush and allies with the Madjayi against the Hyksos,so lumping all those people will cause confusion,also Ta-seti a civilization in Nubia was not Kushtite But Kemet first civilization before unification(Ta Seti being the gold producing region called Nubia)..but archeologist and historians are to blame for they are the ones who disseminate information to the mass media who influence us.
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Like Brada said it's really ignorance why this "Nubian" nonsense continues.
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As we excavate Lower Nubia we will see more things that united Egypt and the "Nubians". Thats why they wanted to create a dam over the rest of Nubian Lands, They did not want to admit that Nubians are Linked with Egyptians.
Now we have all these studies that have come out saying Nubians and Egyptians were the same people and this again is where the eurocentrics will then claim that Nubians are really 60% eurasian. So when it suits these people they will claim even the Nubians as White to satisfy there crazy obsessions.
All you really can do is shake your head and laugh. It's really pathetic how eurocentrics behave when Nubians are grouped in with Egyptians.
Before I finish just want to say thanks Wally for posting the name of Gods land to the Kemetians:Tanoute.
Peace
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That's right King and soon they will say the paintings of their Blk/Brown now 60% EurAsian dna "Nubians" according to "them" are now symbolic.
quote:Now we have all these studies that have come out saying Nubians and Egyptians were the same people and this again is where the eurocentrics will then claim that Nubians are really 60% eurasian. So when it suits these people they will claim even the Nubians as White to satisfy there crazy obsessions.
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KING scribbled: ------------------------------------ Thats why they wanted to create a dam over the rest of Nubian Lands, They did not want to admit that Nubians are Linked with Egyptians. ------------------------------------
It was the Romans who took this terminology that referred to the Ancient Egyptian gold/gold mines to come up with the Latin "Nubia"...Posts: 3344 | From: Berkeley | Registered: Oct 2003
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those Black dudes who build Kemet.
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