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FIVE months after Barack Obama went to Cairo and persuaded most of the Arab world, in a ringing declaration of even-handedness, that he would face down Israel in his quest for a Palestinian state, American policy seems to have run into the sand. The American president’s mediating hand is weaker, his charisma damagingly faded. From the Palestinian and Arab point of view, his administration—after grandly setting out to force the Jewish state to stop the building of Jewish settlements on Palestinian land as an early token of good faith, intended to bring Israelis and Palestinians back to negotiation—has meekly capitulated to Israel.

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The term "weak" is more and more being attributed to Obama. It is clear that he is in way over his head.
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Obama is ''in way over his head'' because he is just one of many former presidents who can't get this Israeli stuff right for what ever reason. So it would be more accurate to say he is simply joining a long list of those who were indeed way over their heads. Ain't no mystery here.
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Yeh but the difference is Mr Change presented himself (at least his handlers did) as "part them" and thus in a better position to be more even handed. [Roll Eyes]
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It is absurd and niave to think obama would or COULD chance our relationship with Israel. There are very few things that both parties agree on but they agree on support for Israel. Any other policy would be insane.
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There will come a time when the lobby will lose its dominance. Change governs the universe, I thought since you saw your country (and your daughter) inundated by nonwhites you would have realized this by now.
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The country has not be over run by non whites. There is no indication that American -Israeli relations are weakening, quite the opposite.
Our policy is not based on some mythical Israel lobby.

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The difference is that his trying while the rightwinged US does everything they can to make him fail.
They will rather see him fail than have a succes in the relationship with f.e. Israel [Roll Eyes]
Like a football player trying to tackle one of his own players [Roll Eyes] [Eek!] [Mad]

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what are you talking about Tibe? See who fail?
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quote:
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what are you talking about Tibe? See who fail?

The right wing in your government would love to see Obama fail rather than see him making changes for the better in the relationships in Israel and the middle east. The hate and envy towards this man is larger than the goal.
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Not at all tibe. There is no indication he wants to change our relationship with Israel.
As for his domestic policies it is not a matter of wanting him to fail but when he advocates thinks that will put our children in debt for the next 50 years we will oppose him, as we should.
Republicans are going to make big gains in the 2010 elections, even many democrats concede that. That will make it easier for us to black all the wild things he comes up with.

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Red neck you know all too well that the open borders movement will soon make whites a minority. This policy will not change even if Republicans make big gains in 2010. Your denial is simply a psychological defense mechanism. Obama will not change the special relationship because the Israel lobby will not allow him.
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Bogle says,

''Yeh but the difference is Mr Change presented himself (at least his handlers did) as "part them" and thus in a better position to be more even handed.''

What is the difference in former president George Bush saying the Palestinian/Israeli issue isn't the U.S.'s problem and you saying president Obama's ''change the attitude'' would actually make a difference for those in that part of the world simply because he is ''part them''?

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huh? ask the question and in another way please.
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Bogle is getting race and culture confused. First the borders are not open. Secondly, Mexicans are westernized. They are white people with a tint. Mexicans are melting into the mainstream of American population just as past immigrants did. Many no longer even speak spanish. In addition the vote Republican in much larger numbers than other groups.
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And in the self delusional world of the old country primitive Mexicans are white people who are integrated into American society. [Eek!]

I guess when reality is too hard to face all you have left is fantasy. [Roll Eyes]

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I live all around them. i have one in my U.S. to 1877 class. She is as American as apple pie. sorry.
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Yeh, so is La Raza and related movements. lol
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hat is the minority fringe
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No, the ones stupid enough to let you teach them are the crazy minority fringe. lol
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You are just better because your hate white people mentality does not include everyone else.
Mexican girls are marrying white guys in record numbers in texas, look it up. My own grand daughter is half Mexican and does not speak a word of spanish AND is classified as white by her school district.

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And the latino trend in Texas (or your family) is the norm for the rest of America? lol Old man you are too much!
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Mexicans are largest minority group now, passing blacks. They are western culturally and are mostly Catholics. They are conservative on social issues for the most part and are going to fit into the American cultural tradition going forward. they are great people and I for one am glad they are here.
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LOL! If they are white as you say how can they be a "minority"? Old man I've had enough of your stupidity for one day.
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i know, you hate it Bogle because you know that in the end Mexican immigration will be the end of people like you.
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Black America has always overwhelmingly supported multiculturalism - the civil rights movement was - we all know the paranoid xenophobic ones are white old timers like you. So stop projecting. Better get use to the saying "as American as Nachos". LOL
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actually if you actually knew your history you would know that the civil rights legislation of the 60's was made possible by strong republican support in both the house and Senate. By the way, I like nachos.
At least the Mexicans work and do not whine and complain all the time.

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LOL! Such a predictable come back, way off base and completely unrelated to the fact that your "traditional" America is no more.
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Bogle, early in George Bush's first term he said the Israeli/Palestinian issue was not his concern. Meaning he would let them handle their own affairs. That was a naive statement then and now. He came around to recognizing his naivete in short order.

President Obama, according to you, or at least his supporters, according to you, felt like he could get the job done because he was a man of color and by extension have more in common with them in tems of making someone ''see the light.'' I don't think for one minute he thought he could come into office and simply pull the rug out from everyone and make things right in that part of the world. And I'm sure he made some statements that would give that impression. And this is why I said Obama is ''''in way over his head'' because he is just one [sitting president out] of many former presidents who can't get this Israeli stuff right for what ever reason. So it would be more accurate to say he is simply joining a long list of those who were indeed way over their heads. Ain't no mystery here.''

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Grumman made some good points. i would add that in tems of diplomacy there is a difference between what a nations says and what it really wants. The United States has always talked about a two state solution, in practice we have never really leaned on Israel to do it. In addition I do not know if we could dictate to Israel at all on an issue that big. We have alot of influence but maybe not that much.
Further, i am not sure how a Palestinian state helps the United States.

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quote:
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I don't think for one minute he thought he could come into office and simply pull the rug out from everyone and make things right in that part of the world

Me neither, and I don't think that's what most reasonable people expected him to do. But to present the options as an either-or situation is misleading as its not about either you capitulate to Israel or "make things right" in the region. Its about taking the rational middle ground, doing whats in the best interest for America, strategically, in that part of the world. And according to most Americans (minus crazy evangelicals and ultra Zionists) that would mean two-state solution within '67 borders, not giving the Greater Israel advocates a free hand that will lead to inflaming Arabs and unnecessary expensive wars for Israel.
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America would be insane to push Isarel into a two state solution. No way that helps us in the region. Jordan, Egypt and the Kingdom all give lip service to the idea but none of them care. Once again we may be mixing up the views of the arab street with rational diplomatic thinking,

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Bogle says,

''But to present the options as an either-or situation is misleading as its not about either you capitulate to Israel or "make things right" in the region.''

And since that may be the case then I'm sure most people would still say with lots of cynicism ''Yeah buddy what else is new.'' Meaning, how does Mr. Obama figure he can do anything at all, or anyone else for that matter.

''Its about taking the rational middle ground, doing whats in the best interest for America, strategically, in that part of the world.''

I don't have a clue what the ''rational'' middle ground would be in the best interests for America. It seems to me any interest at all goes against what some thugs in Hamas want and that is, according to some news accounts, the elimination of Israel. A major difference between the ordinary* Palestinian citizens and Hamas is Hamas will send opponents to harpland if they even think about giving any political ground to Israel; and I'm sure some bearded, wide brimmed-hat-wearing, long sideburns, curly Q'ed jerk would kill the leading Israeli official for doing the same if he said that rock across the road belonged to the Palestinians instead of him.

At the same time the hard-liners in Israel's government aren't even concerned about anybody else as along as they can keep some non-deeded land from a few thousand years ago.

*This assumes both sides haven't done anything to each other in the past few months before the Palestinians, the ordinary citizens, will sit back and ''assess the situation.''

Assess the situation! For what!

Hammer says,

''America would be insane to push Isarel into a two state solution. No way that helps us in the region.''

Actually that makes sense because once a state is recognized then in the future that state may want warplanes of its own to protect its interest, even if the interests are right across the border.

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Actually as has been shown before Israel, especially in a post cold war era, has absolutely no strategic value. The British imperialists controlled oil in the region without that state and radicalism in the region is tied to its creation or more appropriately, its imposition. But maybe your right Grumman, maybe no rational middle ground can be sought in this conflict since Hamas are just a bunch of wild eyed crazies (according to "news" accounts [Roll Eyes] ) and Israeli officials are prone to assassination from right wing extremists. In this case get use to more unnecessary expensive wars (like sending more of your "boys" to die in Afghanistan) while your politicians complain about not being able to afford universal health care.
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The Jews oppose a Palestinian state for all of the obvious reasons and the United States has no compelling reason to push for one. Israel is slowly pushing the Palestinians onto what amounts to Indian reservations where they can at least impose some control. I have thought for several years that Palestinian migration is the only viable long term solution. The problem is nobody really wants them.
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How sad, with all the billions down the drain and economic woes you ignorant Americans still think the problem in that region are Palestinians or the al Qaida bogeyman. [Roll Eyes]
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Bogle days,
''In this case get use to more unnecessary expensive wars (like sending more of your "boys" to die in Afghanistan) while your politicians complain about not being able to afford universal health care.''

Sad yet true.

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well, some good points. Since WW II we have decided to fight these limited wars with predictable results. I am not PC and believe that if you are going to fight a war you use whatever power it takes to win quickly. The current iranian government should have been gone years ago.
The Romans knew how to run the world and we should be doing the same thing. The objective demands that if you do not do what we tell you to do we will kill you in huge numbers until you do.

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Hammer:
''I am not PC and believe that if you are going to fight a war you use whatever power it takes to win quickly.''

Strictly from a military standpoint I agree.

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You mean like "Shock and Awe" in Iraq? Yeh, that "won" the war pretty quickly didn't it? LOL

Ah, you Americans and your delusions of the advantage of overwhelming military power.

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Not so fast junior. The Iraqis had too many Sunnis and shi'ites hiding behind their womens' skirts.
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And what does that time honored myth have to do with anything?
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Wellll how could they have experienced the shock and awe if they hide behind their womens' shirts, and hustle off to mosques? Besides, I thought everyone liked fireworks. But I'm sure the Americans didn't like the IED fireworks they saw coming from the insurgents... who were hiding behind their womens' skirts. I thought you knew that.

You know that ain't fair. A guy can't even drive his truck through the neighborhood without being suspicious; on the look out as it turned out.

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Again I don't see how this mythology of Muslims hiding behind women's skirts have anything to do with the stupidity of the "Rumsfeld doctrine". And don't be so quick to condemn insurgent tactics of hit and run, as that worked against the British in your revolutionary war. LOL You ignorant Americans.
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Bogle, Overwhelming military power works if you use it. If you call the Iranians in and you tell them they have 30 days to do what you tell them or they will become a neolithic society they will comply. That is what the Romans did and it is what we should be doing as well.
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Bogle, the ''stupidity[?] of the Rumsfeld Doctrine'' made the insurgents hide in mosques and behind their womens' skirts. The insurgents didn't think the doctrine was stupid, they recognized it for what it was, ''shock and awe''; that's why they hid in mosques and behind their womens' skirts; that's how the insurgency began... or nearly so.

I'm not condemning the insurgents for their tactics, they won't to win too, just like your mention of the revolutionaries. However I haven't read anywhere that the revolutionaries hid in churches and behind their womens' skirts before and while they attacked the British. Okay, maybe not all the insurgents hid behind the women. My bad. But they recognized shock and awe when they saw it didn't they. That's why they became insurgents and hiding in mosques initially.

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quote:
Originally posted by Bogle:
And what does that time honored myth have to do with anything?


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Cowboy, start reading here: November 26th at 8:22 p.m. When you get to the post above yours read the last sentence.
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Oh jesus. Look, even if we entertained your GI excuse for getting their assess kicked "they-hid-behind-women's-skirts" that still shows that over whelming force cannot win wars "quickly". US in Vietnam, Russians in Afghanistan, Israel in Lebanon. All examples against your silly war theory. You Americans are just ignorant, stupid and blinded by your "military might". But what can we expect from a people who overwhelmingly supported invasion of Afghanistan thinking their military could just go in and "kick ass" and then go back home to victory parade in New York. LOL
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Your explanation has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I said strictly from a military standpoint; that bars the political. All your above mentioned countries bear out my point from a strictly military point of view.

''But what can we expect from a people who overwhelmingly supported invasion of Afghanistan thinking their military could just go in and "kick ass" and then go back home to victory parade in New York.''

Again, the ones who thought that didn't use the military point of view to its fullest extent because politics got in the way; not so in WW II. Germany and Japan had their ''hats in their hand'' when it was over didn't they. Do you understand what I'm talking about? Or will you still confuse the military with the political jointness? And you won't be by yourself, many do that... because they are too political. Tough having restraints ain't it.

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