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The IMF was formed in 1944 at the Bretton Woods Conference to manage the post WWII Western economic structure in the face of threats from the Communist World--namely USSR and China.

But as colonised nations became nominally independent the West realised that the IMF could be transformed into a system of global control of the non-Western nations outside the Communist sphere.

The IMF since its inception has been heavily weighted in favour of the West, with the U.S. having the biggest clout through its SDR quota shares. Other Western nations such as France and Britain also have big shares--and have sought to block China from increasing its shares.

The IMF is in reality the international branch of the U.S. Treasury and enforces U.S. economic policy throughout the participating world.

In its drive to maintain economic dominance the IMF has a stranglehold on Africa's economies through its Structural Adjustment Programmes(SAP) which destroy the welfare infrastructure of debt-ridden African nations. The IMF runs a monetarist policy and pushes for belt-tightening in crucial areas such as education, health, general welfare when it sets down its so-called conditionalities for loans or their roll-overs.

Its a punishing pro-Western organisation that has led to the deaths and increasing poverty of many Africans.

One of the white control mechanisms the West uses in its control of the world's economies is that the head of the IMF must be European while the WB must be run by an American. But increasingly powerful economies such as those of China, Brazil, and the BRIC nations have argued that the headship of the Fund should rotate. The West is resisting.

The latest IMF head has been Dominique Strauss-Kahn, a French Jew, kin and friend of the head of the U.S. Central Bank(Federal Reserve), Ben Bernanke. Note that the World Bank is also headed by a Jew. It's just good to know such things.

Now the structure of the IMF is now being threatened in the sense of offering an opening for a non-European to be selected Fund Head. And threatened by the alleged chance rape of a African chambermaid from Guinea(Conakry), West Africa--by its pudgy(fat almost) head Strauss-Kahn.

DSK--as he is known--has had a reputation for aggressive behaviour towards females over the years but has gotten a pass--for any number of reasons.

The alleged victim is now in hiding in an atmosphere that is quite sympathetic to SDK. The notion of "innocent until proven guilty" is what the French are accusing the U.S. authorities of not adhering to. Well, they didn't say the same when OBL was summarily executed by U.S. Special Forces or when Sarkozy decided to bomb the people of Libya.

Interesting trivium: Nafisatou Diallo is the namesake of Amadou Diallo who gained international name recognition when he was gunned down by U.S. police in the New York some years ago.

History moves in mysterious ways. Nafisatou Diallo has unintentionally put the criminal IMF in the headlines. We also know how this wicked and corrupt forces the poor into more poverty while its top brass live lives of luxury. DSK was sleeping on a $3,000 a night bed and flying for $10,000 a pop--while the IMF forces African governments to privatise water, health and education--which automatically leads to higher prices that many cannot afford.

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Some other things to know: DSK's lawyers are all Jews, but so is the lawyer for Nafi Diallo. This is a mistake. Since DSK is a high-flying Jew there could be be quiet behind-the scenes negotiations and deals that could see to it that DSK avoid going to jail. It's 3 Jews and 1 African woman. Not a nice equation!
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By Paul Craig Roberts


May 18, 2011 "Information Clearing House" -- The International Monetary Fund’s director, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, was arrested last Sunday in New York City on the allegation of an immigrant hotel maid that he attempted to rape her in his hotel room. A New York judge has denied Strauss-Kahn bail on the grounds that he might flee to France.

President Bill Clinton survived his sexual escapades, because he was a servant to the system, not a threat. But Strauss-Kahn, like former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, was a threat to the system, and, like Eliot Spitzer, Strass-Kahn has been deleted from the power ranks.

Strauss-Kahn was the first IMF director in my lifetime, if memory serves, who disavowed the traditional IMF policy of imposing on the poor and ordinary people the cost of bailing out Wall Street and the Western banks. Strauss-Kahn said that regulation had to be reimposed on the greed-driven, fraud-prone financial sector, which, unregulated, destroyed the lives of ordinary people. Strauss-Kahn listened to Nobel economist Joseph Stiglitz, one of a handful of economists who has a social conscience.

Perhaps the most dangerous black mark in Strauss-Kahn’s book is that he was far ahead of America’s French puppet, President Sarkozy, in the upcoming French elections. Strauss-Kahn simply had to be eliminated.

It is possible that Strauss-Kahn eliminated himself and saved Washington the trouble. However, as a well-travelled person who has often stayed in New York hotels and in hotels in cities around the world, I have never experienced a maid entering unannounced into my room, much less when I was in the shower.

In the spun story, Strauss-Kahn is portrayed as so deprived of sex that he attempted to rape a hotel maid. Anyone who ever served on the staff of a powerful public figure knows that this is unlikely. On a senator’s staff on which I served, there were two aides whose job was to make certain that no woman, with the exception of his wife, was ever alone with the senator. This was done to protect the senator both from female power groupies, who lust after celebrities and powerful men, and from women sent by a rival on missions to compromise an opponent. A powerful man such as Strauss-Kahn would not have been starved for women, and as a multi-millionaire he could certainly afford to make his own discreet arrangements.

As Henry Kissinger said, “power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.” In politics, sex is handed out as favors and payoffs, and it is used as a honey trap. Some Americans will remember that Senator Packwood’s long career (1969-1995) was destroyed by a female lobbyist, suspected, according to rumors, of sexual conquests of Senators, who charged that Packwood propositioned her in his office. Perhaps what inspired the charge was that Packwood was in the way of her employer’s legislative agenda.

Even those who exercise care can be framed by allegations of an event to which there are no witnesses. On May 16 the British Daily Mail reported that prior to Strauss-Kahn’s fateful departure for New York, the French newspaper, Liberation, published comments he made while discussing his plans to challenge Sarkozy for the presidency of France. Strauss-Kahn said that as he was the clear favorite to beat Sarkozy, he would be subjected to a smear campaign by Sarkozy and his interior minister, Glaude Gueant. Strauss-Kahn predicted that a woman would be offered between 500,000 and 1,000,000 euros (more than $1,000,000) to make up a story that he raped her.

The Daily Mail reports that Strauss-Kahn’s suspicions are supported by the fact that the first person to break the news of Strauss-Kahn’s arrest was an activist in Mr Sarkozy’s UMP party – who apparently knew about the scandal before it happened.
Jonathan Pinet, a politics student, tweeted the news just before the New York Police Department made it public, although he said that he simply had a ‘friend’ working at the Sofitel where the attack was said to have happened.

The first person to re-tweet Mr Pinet was Arnaud Dassier, a spin doctor who had previously publicised details of multi-millionaire Strauss-Kahn’s luxurious lifestyle in a bid to dent his left wing credentials.

Strauss-Kahn could just as easily been set up by rivals inside the IMF, as well as by rivals within the French political establishment.

Michelle Sabban, a senior councillor for the greater Paris region and a Strauss-Kahn loyalist said: ‘I am convinced it is an international conspiracy.’

She added: ‘It's the IMF they wanted to decapitate, not so much the Socialist primary candidate.

‘It's not like him. Everyone knows that his weakness is seduction, women. That's how they got him.’

Even some of Strauss-Kahn’s rivals said they could not believe the news. ‘It is totally hallucinatory,’ said centrist Dominique Paille.

‘If it is true, this would be a historic moment, but in the negative sense, for French political life. I hope that everyone respects the presumption of innocence. I cannot manage to believe this affair.’

And Henri de Raincourt, minister for overseas co-operation in President Nicolas Sarkozy's government, added: ‘We cannot rule out the thought of a trap.’


Michelle Sabban is on to something when she says the IMF was the target. Strauss-Kahn is the first IMF director who is not lined up on the side of the rich against the poor. Strauss-Kahn’s suspicions were of Sarkozy, but Wall Street and the US government also had strong reasons to eliminate him. Wall Street is terrified by the prospect of regulation, and Washington was embarrassed by the recent IMF report that China’s economy would surpass the US economy within five years. An international conspiracy is not out of the question.

Indeed, the plot is unfolding as a conspiracy. Authorities have produced a French woman who claims she was a near rape victim of Strauss-Kahn a decade ago. It would be interesting to know whether this allegation is the result of a threat or a bribe. As in the case of Julian Assange, there are now two women to accuse Strauss-Kahn. Once the prosecutors get the odds of two females against one male, they win in the media.

It has not been revealed how the authorities knew Strauss-Kahn was on a flight to France. However, by arresting him aboard his scheduled flight just as it was to depart, the authorities created the image of a man fleeing from a crime.

The way Amerikan justice (sic) works is that prosecutors in about 96 percent of the cases get a plea bargain. US prosecutors are permitted by judges and the public to pay for testimony against the defendant and to put sufficient pressure on innocent defendants to coerce them into making a guilty plea in exchange for lesser charges and a lighter sentence. Unless the hotel maid has a spell of bad conscience and admits she was paid to lie, or gets cold feet about perjuring herself, Strauss-Kahn is likely to find that Amerikan criminal justice (sic) is organized to produce conviction regardless of innocence or guilt.

On May 16, the day following Strauss-Kahn’s arrest, the US Supreme Court threw its weight behind the Amerikan police state by destroying the remains of the Fourth Amendment with an 8-1 ruling that, the U.S. Constitution notwithstanding, Amerika’s police do not need warrants to invade homes and search persons.

This ruling is more evidence that every American is regarded as a potential enemy of the state, not only by Airport Security but also by the high muckety-mucks in Washington. The conservatives’ “war on crime” has created a police state, and conservatives, who originally stood for limited government and civil liberty, are euphoric over the expanded and unaccountable powers that a conservative Supreme Court has handed to the police.

On the same day the federal government reached the $14.3 trillion debt ceiling, which forced the Treasury to “borrow” money from federal employee pensions in order to continue funding Amerika’s illegal wars and crimes against humanity. The breached debt ceiling serves as an appropriate marker for a country that has squandered its constitutional heritage and has arrived at moral as well as fiscal bankruptcy.
UPDATE -

In the several hours since I wrote this article, authorities have announced that Strauss-Kahn, who was refused bail on specious grounds, has been put on suicide watch. Why announce it unless it serves an agenda? From the beginning every statement and action of the authorities is designed to convey the impression of guilt. Is putting Strauss-Kahn on suicide watch a way to paint a picture of a person who can't face the public humiliation of his crime? Is it a way to use the humiliation of constant interruption to break down his character and resolve? Or might it be to plant the idea that should he expire in prison, suicide is the explanation?

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I agree Mo Ning Min E.

Actually, Professor Joseph Stiglitz praised Strauss-Kahn for his work in IMF just a week before this happened. And I do not think Sarckozy is man enough to do this.This is nothing but the work by Bankers.

Lamin

Try to step out " blame everything on the Jews" world. It will be so simple to understand and easier.

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Arwa,

Try to step out " blame everything on the bankers" world. It will be so simple to understand and easier.

[Roll Eyes]

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Arwa,

I am not blaming everything on the Jews. How so? I am just pointing out facts. How can Jews be blamed if the head of the U.S. central bank, the WB and the IMF are Jews? Explain.

If the head of the WB, IMF and U.S. Central Bank were Japanese people will notice. Right?


And Paul Craig Roberts is usually interesting to read but this time he is just dead wrong.

And

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MO NING AND ARWA

Some points on the Roberts piece above:

2)If DSK knew that his policies would be unpopular with the U.S. Treasury then he should have had enough sense to not behave like a complete jackass. If he believed that he was targeted then when he visited New York he should have stayed in his own New York flat or simply gone to his daughter's place to stay. But the pudgy fool did not. If you must stay in a hotel then why pick Sofitel, which is French owned? No conspiracy here, the man
was just a complete fool.

2)[b]The IMF as a branch of the U.S. Treasury cannot be reformed and this chatter about DSK skills as an economist is just an attempt to inflate the guy. In the ongoing bailout moves on behalf of Greece, Portugal the DSK was offering some much easier terms than are standard with non-European nations.

The IMF is essentially the external branch of the U.S. Treasury and for the pick this time to go to DSK says nothing. The U.S. Treasury will--with Bernanke and Geithner as chief directors--never allow someone with a radical track record to be IMF chief.

DSK is a member of the French Socialist Party--but that means absolutely nothing in terms of radical economics. A lot of Americans call Obama a socialist, which of course is absurd.

The fact that DSK was about to contest the French presidential elections means that he was about to leave the IMF anyway so why would Washington mount a risky campaign just to get him out.

The Police knew where DSK was because when--in his haste to leave--he forgot his cell phone he foolishly called the hotel to retrieve it. The hotel then asked where he was and that they would bring it to him. He gave an accurate answer and that was how they got him--in a first class seat of Air France($10,000).

What African nations should do is just break free from the IMF whose function is to send signals to Western international banks that dole out credit to friendly puppet nation as to how to treat the different non-European nations. Zimbabwe experienced a big credit squeeze once the IMF signaled on Zimbabwe.

African nations should establish a capital rich Central Bank that would be able to make independent decisions. Such a bank would see to it that there be an exchangeable reserve African currency that could be used for international trade on the same basis as the Euro or the Chinese renminbi.

As an economist DSK is just average--nothing big. And the fact that DSK listened to Stiglitz means nothing. The truth is that African and other capital weak nations should just steer clear of the IMF.

Lastly, if DSK's downfall was due to some kind of trap then it's really a very clumsy trap. Why use an African women when there are European women to use. Any African woman--and a hotel maid at that--would be too terrified to go for that kind of thing.

Craig Roberts you just over-reached on this one. Sorry!

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Lastly, if DSK's downfall was due to some kind of trap then it's really a very clumsy trap. Why use an African women when there are European women to use. Any African woman--and a hotel maid at that--would be too terrified to go for that kind of thing
Racist and condescending.

Just because this trap was clumsy, [what morons would imagine that a man of his experience, on the brink of running for the presidency of France,would actually risk violently assaulting a stranger, in a hotel in a foreign country.... ?] well it worked! Like a dream! Welcome to the matrix.
'Clumsy' doesn't disbar anyone these days. You can change the history of the world with a craft knife and a few malfunctioning security cameras.
And 'they' will swallow it.

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Why racist? I know many, many Diallos. Why condescending? I am just telling you the truth. There was no trap. So no trap "worked".

Besides, I really don't understand your talk about "matrix". Too many sci-fi movies and play-station games?

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'Some of my best friends are ....' hasn't been a valid excuse for racism for decades.But in your defense, maybe it was just a thoughtless remark.

I'm finding it increasingly amazing these days that any news story that hits the mainstream press, no matter how outlandish the evidence, or lack of it indeed, is accepted without question. Surely there are a handful of people out there who wonder occasionally if maybe things are not always what they appear ro be.

The destruction of this man's career [and the damage to his Socialist Party in France] may be of little interest to you and many others, [most will feel a litle shadenfreude maybe?] but this single, alleged, event, could result in altering the lives of many people who can't even afford a newspaper.
Breathtaking.
Compare this incident with, say, Berlusconi. That guy would probably have to be filmed dryhumping a group of novice nuns before the press was howling for his blood.But the banks aren't afraid of him.

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quote:
Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E:
[what morons would imagine that a man of his experience, on the brink of running for the presidency of France,would actually risk violently assaulting a stranger, in a hotel in a foreign country.... ?]

Yes it does make you think if it was indeed a set up. If it was, it was still done by Joos Arwa's "bankers". [Roll Eyes]
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Mo Ning,

Don't know why you are persisting in this racism call. You are probably new to this site. If so, you must know that the vast majority of posters here are black--either from Africa directly or by descent. I don't think personal details should count in blogs but just to put you off your LOL racism call, know that I am writing from West Africa which should be bona fides enough for you.

Dominique S-K's behaviour is just typical of a certain type of politician. Think of people like Clinton and his obsessive sexual conduct--including accusations of rape. And DSK has a long track record of predatory sexual conduct. So what else is new?

Recently I saw a report on TV5-Afrique where a French female journalist is about to file suit against DSK for attempted rape some years ago when she had audience with him in private to discuss a book she was doing. She confessed that it was her mother who persuaded her to not bring charges. Plus ca change--plus c'est la meme chose.

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Here's an idea:

How about waiting for the details of investigation and/or court hearings come out and shed light on what may actually have happened in that hotel before passing judgement. Saying that the guy is unequivocally guilty at this point, however questionable his character may be, is irresponsible. Resolutely saying that the charge of rape is a trap, without the backing of concrete evidence, is just as irresponsible. Both positions are falsely presuming, at this stage, to know the FACTS of the case.

@ Lamin:

I'm guessing that poster is referring to your generalization about African women. All I can say about the woman actually involved, is that her employers claim that she was never an issue at work, and got along well with other hotel staff. Is it possible, somehow she sought to risk this "good" employee image, having been offered a very tempting reward and assurance for security by some other "powerful" players behind the scenes? Again, I'd wait for the details of facts come out, and fact do have a way of showing up one way or another; it may be a matter of when, rather than if.

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The Explorer,
Just don't get your post. No need to fall the silly conspiratorial speculations on those who just don't want to see some pudgy white guy bite the dust. The man has a track record of violent sexual assaults. So what is so strange about him losing control and raping the hotel help.

You have to understand that an economic refugee from Guinea who might not have the right papers would not to take that kind of risk. I know many cases of people from Guinea getting to the U.S. on a refugee basis. There was the war that spilled over from Sierra Leone into Guinea and that was the basis. Not that most of the refugee seekers were actually affected.

In fact most of them don't have full residence in the U.S. They must renew their status every year. Thus such an individual would hardly risk accepting any offers of the kind you propose. Why not just accept facts as just normal facts? Rich white men do rape and murder you know. Rich white men also often behave like jackasses. DSK is a rich white man!

Here's a post that offers further explanation.


http://www.gregpalast.com/strauss-kahn-screws-africa/

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The Explorer,

Your comments on this are welcome:

http://counterpunch.com/

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:

The Explorer,
Just don't get your post. No need to fall the silly conspiratorial speculations on those who just don't want to see some pudgy white guy bite the dust. The man has a track record of violent sexual assaults. So what is so strange about him losing control and raping the hotel help.

If you don't get my post, I'll have to conclude that you are not very bright. What about getting the facts of the case first, before passing judgement one way or the other, is hard to get? How did my saying that I'd like to get all the facts first, become synonymous with falling for some conspiracy? Don't you see that it is your reply to me that doesn't make any sense?


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You have to understand that an economic refugee from Guinea who might not have the right papers would not to take that kind of risk.

Assumption on your part. If memory serves me correctly, the status quo is the exact opposite of your speculation; that is to say, to the contrary, the lady in question is said to be a documented worker!

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In fact most of them don't have full residence in the U.S. They must renew their status every year. Thus such an individual would hardly risk accepting any offers of the kind you propose.

What offers did I propose? You are confusing a rhetorical question predicated on a purely hypothetical basis with a proposal.

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Why not just accept facts as just normal facts?

Okay then, lay the detailed facts of the case down for me. I gather you must be very privileged in this regard, since even 'western' media concerns don't have all the facts of the case at this stage. For me to accept facts, I have to see said facts first.
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Hey, I don't know if the guy is guilty or not. Since he hasn't been tried yet, except in the media, I am not about to speculate.
Certain facts, such as the fact that he left the hotel to catch the plane he was booked on were presented in the media as evidence he left unexpectedly, and in a hurry. Not true.
An absolute avalanche of character assassination pieces suddenly hitting the world press.
This alleged incident is not a fight between poor little black widow, and rich white guy. This is a huge political battle taking place and whether or not he is found guilty, indeed whether or not he really IS guilty, nobody accused of a crime should be denied the benefit of presumed innocence pretrial.
On the surface, this smells like Assange.
I am a feminist, if this attack is genuine, my sympathy goes out to this woman, of course. But I am feminist enough to believe that poor/black/widowed/Muslim ... whatever? We are just as capable of getting involved in a setup as anyone with balls.
Anyone hated and feared by the likes of Goldman Sachs and Sarkozy can't be all bad.

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Why this chatter about "brightness"? Is this some kind of defence mechanism? Think about it.

On the immigration status of the alleged accuser of DSK, I said that those who enter the U.S. as political refugees must renew their status every year. They are thereby documented. They are legally entitled to seek employment. After a while some may be granted permanent residence status.

The truth is that most political refugees from places exploited by the world's unfair economic system are in fact economic refugees. But even here the lines are blurred.

it is also a fact those granted refugee status from Africa may not in all cases have acquired the visa the normal prescribed route--i.e. get the "refugee status" visa from the point of origin. In most cases, the individual acquires a 3 month "visitor's visa" then later applies for refugee status in the U.S.

Now given the circumstances of such and the fact that such individuals would prefer to remain anonymous while working and dealing with the stresses of daily life, it would be seen as an enormous risk to get involved in something such as entrapment of the head of the IMF. There could be all kinds of repercussions and reprisals.

Who would want all kinds of reporters doing all kinds of research on one's family even to the point of going to one's village to dig around? Hardly likely. But this is what has happened. See Aminata.com and other Guinea websites.

You will see that as things unravel my analysis is 100% correct.

From what I gather, the accuser has been very upset and being consoled by her daughter about all this, and is now hidden away somewhere. From the evidence the accuser lives in an building supposedly designated for AIDs sufferers. There is no evidence that the accused is so afflicted, but think of the stigma. So why would anyone want to go through all that just for some confounded dollars or euros.

You ask for "detailed facts" for proof of the validity of my analysis. Well, that's not the way analysis of events is usually undertaken. You weigh different hypotheses and assign likelihood probabilities to them.
In this instance the probability that this is some kind of set-up, given the available facts and my own subjective probability judgments, is quite low--almost zero.

This is exactly what people have been doing re 9/11, the death of OBL, etc.

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Mo Ning,

DSK is just another peddler of neo-liberal capitalism under the transparent veneer of being some kind of socialist.

Whether he is "feared" by Sarkozy and Goldman Sachs is just conjecture. But even if so, it won't make any difference to the vile practices of the IMF under all its Directors including DSK. The fact is that the majority of the IMF votes and clout rest with the U.S. Treasury and other Western powers. The U.S. has the largest % of the SDR quotas(17%), with the EU having a combined some 20%.

And important decisions would require an 85% supermajority which the Fund's governors, Geithner and Bernanke can always veto.


Note that I much interested in how the IMF relates to Africa. I have seen the impact of its cruel predations first hand. Hence I am more inclined to believe the following than any wild-eyed conspiracy plot to push DSK out.

http://www.gregpalast.com/strauss-kahn-screws-africa/

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Why this chatter about "brightness"? Is this some kind of defence mechanism? Think about it.

You make less and less sense with each reply.


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On the immigration status of the alleged accuser of DSK, I said that those who enter the U.S. as political refugees must renew their status every year. They are thereby documented. They are legally entitled to seek employment. After a while some may be granted permanent residence status.

Your attempt at painting the accuser as an "illegal immigrant" of some sort who would have been scared sh*t to be part of a hypothetical scheme to trap DSK, presumably on the account that she would not have had "the right papers" and would have risked deportation, backfired. So, now you imply that she must be a refugee who is "legally entitled to seek employment". If she was "legally entitled" to be at work, then your whole narrative about her fear of being a center of public attention on the account of "not having the right papers" swiftly breaks down, doesn't it!

That aside, what evidence do you have that this lady is a refugee, as you seem to repetitively imply, despite being clued in that she is said to be a legal immigrant? Is it because she is western African, and/or a Guinean? Perhaps you have a better explanation going forward, that you haven't yet provided, but I can understand why anyone could interpret this mindset as "racist and condescending".

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You ask for "detailed facts" for proof of the validity of my analysis. Well, that's not the way analysis of events is usually undertaken.

Indeed, I asked you for proof of your claims, since you are resolute about the accused being guilty and the accuser being unequivocally victimized, despite no trial and results of investigation being released. The only way you can be that sure of the fact then, is if you were right there in that hotel with the accused and the accuser at the very moment the crime was being committed. "Analytical" speculation is not exchangeable with absolute truth. There is a reason the accused is going to court for trial; to bring the tangible evidences of conduct for examination, rather than "analytical" speculation.
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Originally posted by Mo Ning Min E:

Anyone hated and feared by the likes of Goldman Sachs and Sarkozy can't be all bad.

I loose no sympathy for Dominique Strauss-Kahn and by no means look upon him as a savory character; however, I concede to his human right to due process and presumption of innocence until all the necessary facts [as rendered by tangible evidence] of the case have come to light. *If* the facts ultimately bear out that he is guilty of the crime, then regardless of his relationship with either Goldman Sachs or Sarkozy, he should be punished for the crime. On the other hand, *if* it turns out that this was an engineered smear, then he should be released and allowed to get on with his life. One thing is almost certain; however the trial turns out, there will have been irreparable damage done to his public image.
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Explorer,

Maybe you don't know how these things work. I have family in Guinea who have travelled to the U.S.--so I know exactly how these things work. The basis for Nafi Diallo's stay in the U.S. is the legal one of refugee. Whoever said she was "illegal". All I am saying is that for anyone of that background to risk getting involved in some kind of entrapment of the head of the IMF is highly improbable.

DSK has a big lawyer on his side and already they are planning to go to Guinea--way up in the Fouta to get something on Ms. Diallo. Her family house is already on TV. So you get my point. This kind of publicity is something that anyone of meagre economic resources would want to avoid at all costs.

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quote:
Originally posted by lamin:

Explorer,

Maybe you don't know how these things work.

I sure do know that you don't know how to think.

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I have family in Guinea who have travelled to the U.S.--so I know exactly how these things work.

This is suppose to be your "proof" that the woman is a refugee; that you "have a family in Guinea". This is the intellectual "brilliance" that's suppose to clue sane people that you "know how things work"? LOL

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The basis for Nafi Diallo's stay in the U.S. is the legal one of refugee.

Your say so means squat to me. Supply me the concrete evidence for this dubious claim. Saying that you once lived or have a family in Guinea doesn't cut it.

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Whoever said she was "illegal".

You did! You implied it with the words, "not have the right papers". You made this supposition in total ignorance of facts about the accuser--nothing new here.

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All I am saying is that for anyone of that background to risk getting involved in some kind of entrapment of the head of the IMF is highly improbable.

That's not all you are saying. You make unfounded or uncorroborated assumptions about the accuser's immigration background, and presume to know all the facts of the case, which haven't even yet been released. You are saying plenty, but with very little sense.

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DSK has a big lawyer on his side and already they are planning to go to Guinea--way up in the Fouta to get something on Ms. Diallo. Her family house is already on TV. So you get my point.

I don't: What was it again?

FYI: The accuser has her own lawyer. He's made rounds on News networks, giving basics of the case and his client (the accuser).

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This kind of publicity is something that anyone of meagre economic resources would want to avoid at all costs.

Your assumption. You are not the all-knowing supernatural being to presume to know what individuals are capable of, regardless of their economic situation. How about producing specific facts for a change, instead of this mysticism, stuff you'd expect from fortune tellers, instead of people dealing with objective reality.
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People in powerful positions are not above making asses out of themselves or do things that they think they can get away with from the very small things to the very bigs things.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LExWsuBa-eE
click^ here an amazing clown move by a president

Do Psychopaths Misrule Our World?
So, the question is: Do psychopaths run the country and maybe the world? Dominique Strauss-Kahn is a strong candidate. Among recent presidents Nixon, Bush 2 and Clinton could qualify. The masters of the universe at places like Goldman Sachs are solid choices. And it only takes a few to destabilize a financial system, poison a community or destroy a business. Yet some studies suggest that, percentage-wise, there are more potential psychopaths among CEOs, directors and supervisors than in the general population, or even in prisons.
http://www.truthout.org/do-psychopaths-misrule-our-world/1305907377

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This kind of publicity is something that anyone of meagre economic resources would want to avoid at all costs.
The same on the other end would be even more true, namely, that Strauss Kahn, with his top executive function and reputation would want to avoid the publicity he is receiving at all cost. Yet he keeps putting himself in situations where this is almost inevitable. This type of hindsight logic (ie nobody would want that so it means something did or didn't happen) stems from the deep rooted societal belief that people are rational, but it is inconsistent with how humans behave.
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Evergreen,
Obviously, we come from different social and racial environments which means that our experiences would be different. But wait, you will see eventually that all my hunches are correct.

On the refugee thing, I just don't think you understand. Large numbers of people who claim refugee status are not political refugees but economic refugees. Because of the severe economic crisis that many Africans face all kinds of creative measures are used to move to a zone where there may be better chances of employment and salaries paid in dollars, pounds or euros.

Many people do gain refugee status--which allows them to work but their status is not permanent and must be reviewed periodically by--in the case of the U.S.--Immigration authorities. The problem is not always the legality of the refugee status but the fact that the basis for the claim could be challenged later when the case is being reviewed. That's all.

My point is that anyone with legal refugee status is not guaranteed permament status in the future. Thus such a person wouild be most inclined to avoid situations avoiding influential white international figures--especially if one is black.


Kalonji,
The evaluation of this matter--before trial. A grand jury was put together and the evidence was enough to warrant a trial-- should be based on past behaviour. DSK is known in France and internationally as somene who cannot control his libidinal urges concerning the oppositie sex. There is even a book--a whole book--on him about this side of his personality.

On the other hand, there are no precendents of entrapping influentail personages on the part of Nafi Diallo. So we just have to weigh probabilities here. That's the basis for my appraisal of the case.

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quote:
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The evaluation of this matter--before trial. A grand jury was put together and the evidence was enough to warrant a trial-- should be based on past behaviour. DSK is known in France and internationally as somene who cannot control his libidinal urges concerning the oppositie sex. There is even a book--a whole book--on him about this side of his personality.

On the other hand, there are no precendents of entrapping influentail personages on the part of Nafi Diallo. So we just have to weigh probabilities here. That's the basis for my appraisal of the case.

I was simply pointing out that we should be cautious with such arguments, since the same argument you use in Diallo's defence can be used in Kahns defense, as I demonstrated in my response.

What is my position on the matter? I'd be lying if I said I was neutral, in fact, I'm leaning towards Diallo's account, even though I'm fully aware that I have no facts at my disposal.

I'm capable of separating the two; suspicion and recognizing his right to have a fair trial, however shady his past may be.

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Evergreen,
Obviously, we come from different social and racial environments which means that our experiences would be different. But wait, you will see eventually that all my hunches are correct.

First of all, you are confusing me with another poster. In case you haven't noticed, my pseudonym reads "the Explorer" right next to my posts. Not that it is relevant, I have also posted under the pseudonyms "Mystery Solver"/ "Ausarian"/"Supercar" over the years; I make no secret about this. I'd tell you if I were "Evergreen" too, but I'm not.

As far as your "hunches" go, well, I'm glad that you've finally come to terms that that's all they are at this point, "hunches"! Your "hunches" may well bear fruit in the end, when all is said and done and the full results of the investigation and the trials come out. You suppose I have a problem with that; I don't. I only have a problem with your passing "hunches" off as "uncontested fact". I've stated time and again, and only you seem to not understand, that I assume no particular position either with respect to the accuser or the accused yet, because I don't have enough information at this time, to make an informed judgement one way or another. You are trying to distort the issue in contention here, because you obviously have a problem with this cautiously neutral position, not from an objective standpoint, but from an emotional standpoint.

Your only line of defense for your assumptive posturing, << cough >> "hunches", is that you are from western Africa, and that therefore makes you telepathic about the accuser and know her immigration background for granted, even though you hardly know the accuser. News flash: I too am a continental African. So, you cannot go on hoopla about coming from "different social and racial environments" as a form of defense. Even if I weren't a continental African, this still wouldn't be an excuse for your assumptions.

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On the refugee thing, I just don't think you understand.

No, you don't understand. Your wild theories about refugee situations in the region have no bearing on the accuser. You must unequivocally show us your concrete proof, i.e. documents, of her immigration papers. That is the ONLY way, you can convince any sane person that you know the accuser well enough to know her immigration status. How would you like it, if some internet stranger made a caricature of you based on nothing else but some generalizations about Senegal, Gambia, or wherever you came from?

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Many people do gain refugee status--which allows them to work but their status is not permanent and must be reviewed periodically by--in the case of the U.S.--Immigration authorities.

Your attitude strikes me as fairly racist, because it presumes that the accuser could not have come to the U.S. on her own accord and her own capacity, presumably because she is west African and/or from Guinea. Another person could also make the same prejudgment about you, if you were to travel overseas, based on this logic. And in any case, your assumption about not "having the right papers" fell flat, which is why you are now forced to tacitly accept the prospect of the accuser of having attained authorized working status under the vernier of "refugee status which allows them to work". A person doesn't have to be all that bright to see that even under your assumption, she'd still have to "have the right papers" to verify her immigration status and corresponding work authorization status!
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You know very little about what I wrote. You know very little about how most people from Africa obtain visas to travel to the U.S and Europe, then seek to regularise their statuses, etc. This back and forth on maters which you know little about is just tiresome. Why suffer fools glady!
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Fool, you seem to think that your idiotic posts openly tainted with ignorant racist caricatures of Africans and baseless "hunches" carry value; they don't. Either put up or shut up.

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OK Explorer,
Specifically where in Africa are you from?

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Plus, where are you posting from? This can always be checked.
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Here's the deal:

It matters not specifically where in Africa I come from, nor do I even care whether you are African. Let's just say that as a continental African, I'm appalled by your usage of "I'm an African" BS as a crutch for every dubious caricature you make of Africans. "Being African" doesn't give you license to spread BS about the continent with impunity and pass "hunches" about Africans overseas, whom you have never met, as "fact". You've never met me, save for communicating with me via this internet medium, and so, your baseless "hunches" about me, which again you pass off as fact, as though you personally know me, means squat to me. You know nothing about the accuser either. Heck, you wouldn't even have known the accuser was west African, had you not heard it from the media. Yet, you pass your "hunches" about her off as some irrefutable "fact", because you say, "I'm from Africa, west Africa" and that you happen to have "family living in Guinea". You are so consumed by ideology that you simply cannot sense the absurdity of this whole affair about you.

You may think that using "I'm a west African" crutch for every assumption you make will give you a pass, whereby nobody will presumably question any dubious claim you make about Africans and Africa or yet, charge you with racism where Africans or "black" folks are concerned, but you are making a miscalculation in entertaining that kind of thinking. Your assumption that this board has political boundaries, i.e. you are just dealing with Americans, is a grave mistake. When you make unfounded claims about Africans, or folks from any other part of the globe, don't be so sure of yourself, that folks from these regions are not watching your words.

All your ramblings about refugee this or that, are totally irrelevant to this case, unless--as I have requested repeatedly to def ears--you are prepared to show us photocopies of the accuser's immigration papers, as proof that you have personally met this accuser and know her on such a personal level, that you have the audacity to tell readers here that she arrived as a refugee. You went from initially implying that the accuser must be an "undocumented" immigrant, which you rationalized as not having "the right papers", to implying that she must be a "refugee" who is "legally entitled to seek work", and now, that she could well have used some semi-legal tactic to seek long term residency in the U.S., presumably by first getting a "temporary" visa, like say a tourist visa or student visa, so as to provide the means to attain longer lasting residency by a subsequent attainment of either a green card or citizenship while on U.S. soil. I'm fairly aware that there are even folks, usually young males, from western Africa who forge relationships with females who could even be their grandmothers, just as a means to getting into "western" countries. I already know about these sorts of things, and I don't need some internet stranger to lecture me on them, presumably by wrongly guessing that I'm of some other origin but African. While it is true that there are individuals who come into "western" countries this way, it doesn't make any African immigrant in said countries by default "refugees" or perpetrators of the methods you described. I, for one, would be offended if someone simply took it for granted that I'm a "refugee", simply because I'm an African, and especially so, if someone passed that lie off as "fact", predicated on the notion that the liar is also "African".

Applying the way you think, I could well have simply dismissed you as some refugee, during your proclaimed stay in some south American country, Brazil if I recall, or yet, as someone who possibly arrived on a temporary visa and may have overstayed the authorized duration. In all your ramblings about the immigration status of the accuser, you've been so consumed by revising your claims and limiting damage control, that you failed to see the inconsistencies in your claims from one post to the next. For example, your initial premise was to portray the accuser as someone who would have been afraid to "frame" Strauss-Kahn, because she would have been essentially an "undocumented worker", which in your words, would be to say that she would not have had "the right papers". When informed that the press claims that she is in fact a "documented worker", you changed your tune to implying--without ever having to say it straight up-that she must be a "refugee" who may be "legally entitled to seek employment". You were obviously dismissive of the inconsistency between the former claim and this "refugee" claim, in that the latter would have still required "authorization" for work and "documentation" of immigration status; whereas the former is "undocumented". Even as a refugee, a person would have to have documentation that allows residency, which will also contain the details of why the person has been authorized residency and why said person is "legally entitled" to seek work. Your next revision is to imply that if she were not a refugee, then she must have come into the country through some temporary visa or other means, which would have made her vulnerable to renewing her status, and so make her "afraid" of engaging in action that might make that process difficult. Mind you, all this "brainstorming" consists of just one assumption after another that you pass off as undeniable fact, which you proceed to justify with the claim that you are "from west Africa" and "have family in Guinea", and which you use to claim that you alone know "how things work" in Africa, and makes your experiences "unique", i.e. different from my "social and racial environment", which surprise--surprise, happens to be nothing more than another guesswork about a stranger you never even set eyes on but just bumped into on an internet forum. All this posturing for what? Pathetically, just to defend your dogmatic position on the criminal case at hand. Unless you can portray this accuser as someone "too afraid" of partaking in a daring action to hypothetically frame the accused, on the basis of her "inadequate" immigration status, you feel that your a priori stance on the criminal case will not be airtight and "incontestable". This is why you go to so much trouble to make unfounded assumptions not only about the accuser, but people with whom you are discussing this topic. Pathetic, to say the least.

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Still no reply on my my 2 trivia questions. Oh Well. Instead we get a long missive of irrelevancies.

Truth is that my analysis of the DSK arrest is being confirmed as the facts dribble out.

Reiteration: people who travel from West Africa to the U.S. or Europe--unless they are students--mainly enter on visitor's


visas. This who claim asylum are usually given temporary legal permission to seek employment until their cases goes before a Judge. Because their residence statuses are not yet resolved such persons are generally very averse to getting involved in any activity that could threaten their situation.The individual in question,once allowed to work, is indeed a "documented worker" except that the status is temporary. The path to "permanent residence" from that point onwards depends on all a number of factors--nothing automatic. It's all about the immigration lawyers and the immigration authorities making ultimate decisions, which could just depend on arbitrary decisions.

This position provoked one Mo Ning to level absurd charges of racism. To be "racist" is to assume that one's designated race is biologically and/or culturally superior to another race. As I pointed out, this could hardly be the case in this instance--given my counter claim of knowing directly firsthand how West Africans travel to the U.S and Europe as asylum/refugee status seekers then seek to regularise their statuses.

Thus the situation is simply one of a sexually maniacal DSK assaulting a hotel housekeeper with the hope of getting away with it. No conspiracy here at all.

Ms. Diallo responded instinctively and heroically at the violently criminal predations of this IMF chief. That's all. He was arrested and will stand trial. The preponderance of evidence so far points to criminal behaviour on his aprt.

Thus any activity such as participating in some kind of setup to "bring down" someone like DSK would very, very unlikely.

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Lamin, you are about as reasonable to communicate with as getting through to a donkey in human speak. Your "replies", to refer to them as such quite generously, never follow the discussion, let alone deliver on requested corroboration of your fairytale "hunches". Eurocentric lunatics could not have a better company than brainwashed imitators like you, who reinforce every perception of the slave negro in Eurocentric cult texts. Why should white supremacists come to ES and other boards to spread their message, when they have your likes around to do their work for free? You are hereby dismissed.

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Truth is that my analysis of the DSK arrest is being confirmed as the facts dribble out.

Ms. Diallo responded instinctively and heroically at the violently criminal predations of this IMF chief. That's all. He was arrested and will stand trial. The preponderance of evidence so far points to criminal behaviour on his aprt.



Well I don't want to say I told you so .....

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And I also pointed out that because of the problematic ways in which most Third World migrants to the Euro-American world obtain visas and work permits the high-priced lawyers of DSK would seek to exploit just that angle

Just the usual lawyer scam: if the crime facts are in your favour go with the facts. If not, then attack the credibility of the plaintiff/victim. Liar/law 101.

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To my argument in stark terms with the following analogy: a woman is caught at a border smuggling drugs and is caught and held in a detention centre. It is discovered at the detention centre that she was already imprisoned for some crime.

A guard--known for aggressive sexual behaviour towards women-then attacks the detained woman the rapes her.

Unscrupulous lawyers would want to connect the 2 situations--but they are totally independent.

Note that the Jews are together on this one: the NY Times ran the phony exculpatory story[DSK is a staunch Zionist] and all the lawyers involved are Jewish.

As I said before: a panel of Jews and a black woman. Not looking good!

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Actually you seem to have been right about the questionable status of the accuser re immigration stuff.
I was saddened by that actually, I hate to see stereotyping being validated.

{I still maintain that if it was me that said, 'oh African woman, probably illegal..' you would have jumped on me and called me racist!}

However, it was the PROSECUTION lawyers that announced that THEIR enquiries into the 'victim's' bank accounts, associates,recorded phone calls, and history etc, made her a totally unacceptable witness.
Not DSK's high priced lawyers.
You don't really believe do you, that the prosecution would be using a 3rd year law student to go after this man???

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To my argument in stark terms with the following analogy: a woman is caught at a border smuggling drugs and is caught and held in a detention centre. It is discovered at the detention centre that she was already imprisoned for some crime.

A guard--known for aggressive sexual behaviour towards women-then attacks the detained woman the rapes her.

Unscrupulous lawyers would want to connect the 2 situations--but they are totally independent.

Note that the Jews are together on this one: the NY Times ran the phony exculpatory story[DSK is a staunch Zionist] and all the lawyers involved are Jewish.

As I said before: a panel of Jews and a black woman. Not looking good!



What IS this irrelevant nonsense?
Fact. DSK is not some darling of the NY Jewish banking set! Au contraire mon ami ...
I bet they were dancing in the boardrooms on Wall Street when he was arrested [if they weren't too busy writing cheques to that poor woman.
Get over yourself with the Jewish thing. They are THERE, they are not going to go away.
[And they are not all monsters, not even ALL bankers are monsters, I bet some are Buddhists.]
DSK looked like he was going to break ranks on culpability for the financial meltdown. They [or someone?] decided he needed to be stopped.
NO WAY is this woman going to be charged with 'false allegation'. Not even I would dare to do that.
Victim? LOL
Bet she's checking out condo's ask we speak.

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And your reply is the same "irrelevant nonsense". I don't think you understand the real world and its instinctive--unfortunately--ethnic/kinship reflexes especially for those groups who believe that they carry some special cachet.

And this continuing thing for DSK; just don't get it. The man is a mediocre third rate economist who landed the IMF job [ you don't even have to be an economist to be appointed as in the case of Christine Lagarde]. The function of the IMF as a racist Western Bretton Woods institution is to ensure that banks and money-crazy speculators never take losses. Moral hazard deluxe.

Strauss-Kahn would have fully supported the draconian African-type structural adjustments now imposed on the Greek peeople. So get over this nonsense about DSK having some real "socialist"[ that would mean in my books "Marxian"]proclivities.

What more could you expect from a "champagne socialist", who goes around checking into hotels where the help is African and where he could rape with impunity, knowing fully well that this help could be having immigration issues--really through no fault of theirs. The Saudi Arabs do the same with the help they import from South Asia and the Philippines: rape at will knowing fully well that victims would not risk becoming complainants--for fear of lashes then expulsion.

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quote:
{I still maintain that if it was me that said, 'oh African woman, probably illegal..' you would have jumped on me and called me racist!}

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Just silly. What makes you think that I would--as you put it--"jump on you for being racist re your possible observation that the victim had immigration issues". Point is not that victim was an "illegal alien" but that acquiring status that allows one to work would require cutting some corners--as would be recommended by any immigration lawyer.

The problematic lies with the essence of neoliberal capitalism. The West has structured the economic world in such a way that Capital can flow to where it sees the opportunity for profits while labour is not free to move to places where wages are higher and job opportunities are greater. The West touts the virtues of free-market economics but this principle applies only to Capital not t o Labour. The function of U.S. and European immigration laws is to keep it that way.

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Thankfully I do not judge every black African individual in the contemptuous way you apparently do.
Most of the Africans I have known have been doctors, lawyers, social workers, musicians etc.
Nor do I judge Africans on the evidence of horrendous political corruption and monstrous civil wars, atrocities,that has been rife for decades.

And why on earth would a French national have the slightest interest in the immigration status of a chambermaid?
I certainly wouldn't.
What about you? If you've ever checked into a hotel, do you demand to see legal paperwork before the girl is allowed to fold your towels?

And so what if the IMF is not there for your benefit? Who gives a ratsass?

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However, it was the PROSECUTION lawyers that announced that THEIR enquiries into the 'victim's' bank accounts, associates,recorded phone calls, and history etc, made her a totally unacceptable witness.
Not DSK's high priced lawyers.
You don't really believe do you, that the prosecution would be using a 3rd year law student to go after this man???

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Which just proves my point. New York is Tel-Aviv West and the very ideal place where cabals meet ex-cathedra and work things out for the benefit of the clan--in most cases.

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The case is a simple one. Minimally, did DSK use coercive force to obtain sexual gratification from the victim? If the forensics are there then Yes. Again, note my qualification: "minimally". The Grand Jury said that the forensics were there. One comparable big profile case: Retired boxer Mike Tyson got jailed for much less. The plaintiff went up to Mike's hotel room un-coerced then claimed with no third party present that she was raped. Mike got sent way just for being Mike.
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Mo,

This is nonsense. Quit the white liberal silly palaver talk. I am African writing from Africa right now at 14:15 hrs. So just lay off that patronising chatter.

You miss my point: DSK is a sexual sociopath--reports of his past behaviour support this characterisation--whose MO in this instance is to seek out women who would be vulnerable to his violent impulses.
You would find the French speaking ones working in overseas French hotels such as the Sofitel and the Pierre.

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I am a white liberal. Could be worse.
At least I'm not mad.
And I am writing this from Africa.

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Have no idea what you are--but your kind of chatter is "white liberal chatter". I am going on what I see not what I don't see. The name is Han Chinese or Vietnamese--and that's all. So someone with a Chinese or Vietnamese moniker chatters forth "white liberal style".
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God this is like talking to a child.
Have you ever heard the phrase 'Moaning Minnie'?

Put the laptop away and go back to studying Eugenics.

And you .... are definitely OUT ... of your tree.

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Silly ad hominems. Just have no idea why you floated in onto this site.

In any case, something good has come out of all of this. Another white-man privileged neoliberal fraudster has been outed and pushed out of his wicked structural-adjuster sinecure at the IMF.

Raping Africans as part of the frequent-flyer hotel perks is a also over.

Karma sometimes happens--and must be appreciated

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