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A new hype is coming out, for some odd reason the Pharaoh is being played by the cold adapted in body portion "Australian actor Joel Edgerton". The role player of Moses is laughable too.


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"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco


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Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003


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In fact, in terms of body shape, the European and the Inuit samples tend to be cold-adapted and tend to be separated in multivariate space from the more tropically adapted Africans, especially those groups from south of the Sahara.
--Holliday TW, Hilton CE.
Body proportions of circumpolar peoples as evidenced from skeletal data: Ipiutak and Tigara (Point Hope) versus Kodiak Island Inuit.


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Is that you Joel? Aussie actor Edgerton undergoes EXTREME makeover with bald head and heavy eyeliner for Exodus: Gods And Kings with Christian Bale


With a fake tan, bald head, bronzed muscles and wearing a whole lot of guyliner, Joel Edgerton is barely recognisable in the first images from his new film Exodus: Gods And Kings.

The 40-year-old Australian actor stars alongside Christian Bale in the Egyptian epic directed by legendary filmmaker Sir Ridley Scott.

In a shift from form, Edgerton plays a villain and a historical one at that: ancient Egyptian ruler Rhamses.


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Walk like an Egyptian: Australian actor Joel Edgerton has undergone an extreme makeover for his new role in Exodus: Gods And Kings

He goes head-to-head with Oscar-winner Bale, playing Moses who is trying to free his enslaved people from Ramses control.

Edgerton paints a curious picture as the controlling leader, with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Aussie not the most obvious choice to play an Egyptian.

Yet in footage from the film's first trailer, he delivers the calculating menace of the character with the expert precision that has made him a sought after leading man in Hollywood.


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Everyday Joel: The 40-year-old plays ancient Egyptian ruler Rhamses in the Ridley Scott epic - a massive shift from his casual persona


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'Let's see who's more effective at killing, you or me?' he growls to Bale.

The film - which is said to have a budget of over $150m - is the biggest blockbuster Edgerton has ever taken part in, with an all-star cast including Sigourney Weaver., Aaron Paul, Sir Ben Kingsley and John Turturro.


Despite the jaw-dropping special effects which see everything from tornadoes and rivers of blood, to tidal waves and lightning storms come to life, it seems at the centre of the film are the performances from Bale and Edgerton.


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All-star cast: Edgerton faces off against Oscar-winner Christian Bale in the film, who plays slave liberator Moses


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Egyptian epic: The biblical blockbuster is said to have a budget of over $150million and is set for a release over the coveted Christmas period

The characters are described as two boys who grew up together in ancient Egypt 'like brothers', but who come to blows over their differing opinions on slavery.

Exodus: Gods And Kings is set for release in the coveted Christmas time slot in the lead-up to awards season, with it hitting cinemas on January 1, 2015.

It's not the first time an Australian has headed up a biblical epic, with Russell Crowe tackling Noah, which was a surprise hit at the international box-office taking over $359million earlier this year.


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Heated exchange: The performances from the two stars are at the centre of the film, which is also driven by complex special-effects


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In demand: Just as well know for his screenwriting and directing work with Blue Tongue Films, Edgerton has become a sought after leading man in Hollywood
Meanwhile, Scott was in Australia back in May scouting locations for his next film - Prometheus 2 - which he plans to shoot in Sydney at Fox Studios.

The film would be a follow-up to his 2012 original starring Charlize Theron and Michael Fassbender, which was set in the Alien universe.

Scott was said to have met with frequent collaborators Russell Crowe and Cate Blanchett while in town, and perhaps there's now a role for Edgerton on the science fiction project too.



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Biblical tale: Exodus: Gods And Kings is loosely based on the classic biblical tale of Moses and the 10 plagues of Egypt


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Film legend: The movie is directed by Sir Ridley Scott who recently visited Australia to scout locations of his film Prometheus 2 in Sydney


Mr, Ridley this is to you.


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Moving to the opposite geographical extremity, the very small sample populations available from northern Egypt from before the 1st Dynasty (Merimda, Maadi and Wadi Digla) turn out to be significantly different from sample populations from early Palestine and Byblos, suggesting a lack of common ancestors over a long time. If there was a south-north cline of variation along the Nile valley it did not, from this limited evidence, continue smoothly on into southern Palestine. The limb-length proportions of males from the Egyptian sites group them with Africans rather than with Europeans.

--Berry Kemp
Ancient Egypt: Anatomy of a Civilisation (, 2005, p.54)

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quote:
Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor:


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Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003



Why were the later groups were more tropical in form than the earlier groups ?
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Trollkillah if you want to do something useful start a social media protest with signitures saying that
that Ramesses skin tone is not being properly depicted

Ramesses II. Brooklyn Museum
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Ramesses II, Louvre
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^^^ European-ized Ramesses sculpture in background
Also Christian Bale doesn't look semitic at all
What's wrong with these idiots ?


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White European people are stealing black people history by writing Egypt was a white or Semite civilization in their history books and by showing the Ancient Egyptians and Jews as white people in their multi million dollars movies about Ancient Egypt.

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quote:
Originally posted by the lioness,:
quote:
Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor:


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Little change in body shape was found through time, suggesting that all body segments were varying in size in response to environmental and social conditions. The change found in body plan is suggested to be the result of the later groups having a more tropical (Nilotic) form than the preceding populations.
--Sonia R. Zakrzewski, American Journal of Physical Anthropology
Volume 121, Issue 3, pages 219–229, July 2003



Why were the later groups were more tropical in form than the earlier groups ?
Because the Southern impulse became greater, as before.

Thou, the first elements were tropical in body portions as well. But not to the same extent. The history of Northeast Africa is old. And so is the inhabitation of especially Southern Egypt.

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"Analysis of Predinastic skeletal material showed tropical African elements in the population of the earliest populations of the earliest Badarian culture" [...]
--Frank Yurco


The Khormusan: Evidence for an MSA East African industry in Nubia


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There is clear evidence of lithic technological variability in Middle Paleolithic (MP) assemblages along the Nile valley and in adjacent desert areas. One of the identified variants is the Khormusan, the type-site of which, Site 1017, is located north of the Nile's Second Cataract. The industry has two distinctive characteristics that set it apart from other MP industries within its vicinity. One is the use of a wide variety of raw materials; the second is an apparent correlation between raw material and technology used, suggesting a cultural aspect to raw material management. Stratigraphically, site 1017 is situated within the Dibeira-Jer formation which represents an aggradation stage of the Nile and contains sediments originating from the Ethiopian Highlands. While it has previously been suggested that the site dates to sometime before 42.5 ka, the Dibeira-Jer formation can plausibly be correlated with Nile alluvial sediments in northern Sudan recently dated to 83 ± 24 ka (MIS 5a). This stage coincides with the 81 ka age of sapropel S3, indicating higher Nile flow and stronger monsoon rainfall at these times.

Other sites which reflect similar raw material variability and technological traditions are the BNS and KHS sites in the Omo Kibish Formation (Ethiopia) dated to ∼100 ka and ∼190 ka respectively. Based on a lithic comparative study conducted, it is suggested that site 1017 can be seen as representing behavioral patterns which are indicative of East African Middle Stone Age (MSA) technology, adding support to the hypothesis that the Nile Valley was an important dispersal route used by modern humans prior to the long cooling and dry trend beginning with the onset of MIS 4. Techo-typological comparison of the assemblages from the Khormusan sites with other Middle Paleolithic sites from Nubia and East Africa is used to assess the possibility of tracing the dispersal of technological traits across the landscape and through time.

--Mae Goder-Goldberger

Quaternary International
25 June 2013, Vol.300:182–194, doi:10.1016/j.quaint.2012.11.031
The Middle Palaeolithic in the Desert

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1040618212033423

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quote:
Originally posted by mena7:
White European people are stealing black people history by writing Egypt was a white or Semite civilization in their history books and by showing the Ancient Egyptians and Jews as white people in their multi million dollars movies about Ancient Egypt.

Cosigned!
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This whitewashing of the Ancient Egyptian history is very unfortunate. They simply used (apparently) white American actors for almost every major Ancient Egyptian roles.

The movie in its setting would have been a great opportunity to see Africans as Ancient Egyptian pharaoh and people, interacting with Semitic people as Jewish people. Showing us a glimpse of the real history not a revised version of it. We know in America they have plenty of African-American actors who could have taken the roles of Ancient Egyptians.

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Head of Ramesses I (Paramessu), founder of the 19th Dynasty, MFA boston (museum).

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quote:
Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
This whitewashing of the Ancient Egyptian history is very unfortunate. They simply used (apparently) white American actors for almost every major Ancient Egyptian roles.

The movie in its setting would have been a great opportunity to see Africans as Ancient Egyptian pharaoh and people, interacting with Semitic people as Jewish people. Showing us a glimpse of the real history not a revised version of it. We know in America they have plenty of African-American actors who could have taken the roles of Ancient Egyptians.

Precisely what I was thinking. If they really needed to do another Moses movie, they should have hired African or Afro-Diasporan actors as the Egyptians and Middle Easterners as the Hebrews. But then Hollyweird is stupid like that.
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Originally posted by Truthcentric:
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Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
This whitewashing of the Ancient Egyptian history is very unfortunate. They simply used (apparently) white American actors for almost every major Ancient Egyptian roles.

The movie in its setting would have been a great opportunity to see Africans as Ancient Egyptian pharaoh and people, interacting with Semitic people as Jewish people. Showing us a glimpse of the real history not a revised version of it. We know in America they have plenty of African-American actors who could have taken the roles of Ancient Egyptians.

Precisely what I was thinking. If they really needed to do another Moses movie, they should have hired African or Afro-Diasporan actors as the Egyptians and Middle Easterners as the Hebrews. But then Hollyweird is stupid like that.
Although Ridley Scott is a great movie director. This one is greatly disappointing in that it doesn't touch reality even a bit.
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These guys are making a movie to make money
not to try to make an accurate quasi-historic
statement.

On the real side you know and I know white
people are not going to pay their money to
see Egypt 1000 BCE as it was. Also the white
idea is to re-invent all 'cradle civs' as their own.

This is evident not only in the movie
industry but in all popular renditions
of anything they want to claim. Yes,
molecular population genetics included.


So why be so surprised or disappointed?
I mean really, what else did you expect?
A loss leader with African Egyptians and
dark south Levantines or background art
facsimiled from authentic artifacts? Hah!

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I WAS GOING START A THREAD ON THIS BUT I CHANGED MY MIND.

Anyway check this out.


Exodus: Gods and Kings | Official Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iSzHXOUEE


First Trailer For EXODUS: GODS AND KINGS Hits The Web - AMC Movie News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUyJY0NtPME


Ridley Scott To Take On Another Biblical Epic Film - AMC Movie News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIwDTJj3xNE

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And i go here sometimes.

Discuss Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014) on the IMDb message boards »

strange feeling about christian bale casting.

Ugh that Poster...


Question for the white people who are interested in this movie.


Silly Question - Is this the Ten Commandments?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm


and here.


Gods of Egypt (2016) - IMDb


Discuss Gods of Egypt (2016) on the IMDb message boards »

Whitewashing?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2404233/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm

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Sigh,

These people are all about business...And selling white everythang, is good for their business.

Think of it like the mafia, They just want cold hard cash and would screw their mothers for it.

I also don't trust genetics etc, because they always break it down so far as to confuse the issue.

When Africans start making their own movies, then we will see a shift. Don't count on holly to start any movements.

Look within, then you can look out clearly.

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Ramesses I (Paramessu), mummy

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Ramesses I (Paramessu), mummy

Joel's nostrils, just like other body ratio don't match. For obvious reasons.

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quote:
Originally posted by Child Of The KING:
Sigh,

These people are all about business...And selling white everythang, is good for their business.

Think of it like the mafia, They just want cold hard cash and would screw their mothers for it.

I also don't trust genetics etc, because they always break it down so far as to confuse the issue.

When Africans start making their own movies, then we will see a shift. Don't count on holly to start any movements.

Look within, then you can look out clearly.

Cosigned.
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quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
I WAS GOING START A THREAD ON THIS BUT I CHANGED MY MIND.

Anyway check this out.


Exodus: Gods and Kings | Official Trailer [HD] | 20th Century FOX

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4iSzHXOUEE


First Trailer For EXODUS: GODS AND KINGS Hits The Web - AMC Movie News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUyJY0NtPME


Ridley Scott To Take On Another Biblical Epic Film - AMC Movie News

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIwDTJj3xNE

These trailer images are repulsive to watch.

The second clip, had good reviews by those guys. Thou the Asian guy thinking ancient Egyptians were middle eastern? Got me frowning.


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semi-tropical/arid tropic zones, show clear limb proportion characteristics of tropically adapted people, and MORE closely resemble other tropically adapted Africans on the continent, than Europeans or Middle Easterners.(Raxter and Ruff 2008, Zakrewski 2003, 2007; Holliday et al, 2003, Kemp, 2005) 3) Undermining claims of cold-climate or skin color primacy for civilization, the great ancient Nile Valley civilization arose from the 'darker' more tropical south, NOT the cold climate or cool climate Mediterranean, Europe or Asia.(Clark, 1982; Shaw 1976, 2003; Bard, 2004; Vogel, 1997; Kemp 2005)


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quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
And i go here sometimes.

Discuss Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014) on the IMDb message boards »

strange feeling about christian bale casting.

Ugh that Poster...


Question for the white people who are interested in this movie.


Silly Question - Is this the Ten Commandments?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm


and here.


Gods of Egypt (2016) - IMDb


Discuss Gods of Egypt (2016) on the IMDb message boards »

Whitewashing?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2404233/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm

So many of the comments are hilarious, based on opinions without depth understanding of ancient Egypt and her demographic composition.

I don't have an account there. But if you do, you can link this page over there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
These guys are making a movie to make money
not to try to make an accurate quasi-historic
statement.

On the real side you know and I know white
people are not going to pay their money to
see Egypt 1000 BCE as it was. Also the white
idea is to re-invent all 'cradle civs' as their own.

This is evident not only in the movie
industry but in all popular renditions
of anything they want to claim. Yes,
molecular population genetics included.


So why be so surprised or disappointed?
I mean really, what else did you expect?
A loss leader with African Egyptians and
dark south Levantines or background art
facsimiled from authentic artifacts? Hah!

Not just that, but it's comical as well.


I mean Ramses vs Moses?


So that means Hebrews were at the Battle of Kadesh?
Which was under the guidance of Ramesses II. Which then should mean that ancient Hebrews were Hittites?


Or either the Hyksos were the ancient Hebrews, as has been proposed and bolstered. Or they weren't.

I don't see how Christian Bale looks anything like this, Hyksos.

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Trollkillah # Ish Gebor check this out.


Exodus:Gods and Kings trailer Review White Egyptians?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufcy47xBGQ


Exodus Gods and Kings Official Trailer + Trailer Review : Beyond The Trailer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXzBt6FI4s4

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X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014) Re: So... Apocalypse better not be Whitewashed


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877832/board/threads/

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quote:
Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor:
quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
And i go here sometimes.

Discuss Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014) on the IMDb message boards »

strange feeling about christian bale casting.

Ugh that Poster...


Question for the white people who are interested in this movie.


Silly Question - Is this the Ten Commandments?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm


and here.


Gods of Egypt (2016) - IMDb


Discuss Gods of Egypt (2016) on the IMDb message boards »

Whitewashing?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2404233/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm

So many of the comments are hilarious, based on opinions without depth understanding of ancient Egypt and her demographic composition.

I don't have an account there. But if you do, you can link this page over there.

Take a look at stuff from trudy4.

He/she is posting some good stuff over there and some others.

Take alook at threads

Let's put the racism issue to bed here

and

A white Egypt is a MYTH!!!! trudy4

Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/threads


For The gods of egypt thread i have not been there for awhile but i will take a look later to see what is going on there.

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quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
Trollkillah # Ish Gebor check this out.


Exodus:Gods and Kings trailer Review White Egyptians?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aufcy47xBGQ


Exodus Gods and Kings Official Trailer + Trailer Review : Beyond The Trailer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXzBt6FI4s4

Great review! And great analogy on Thutmoses too. Let alone the argument on the villain, simply awesome. The girl was right on Apocalypto.


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Why don't they have all "black casts" playing historical European characters and movies, since it doesn't matter?


Determination of optimal rehydration, fixation and
staining methods for histological and
immunohistochemical analysis of mummified soft
tissues

A-M Mekota1, M Vermehren
Department of Biology I, Biodiversity Research/Anthropology1and Department of Veterinary Anatomy II2,
Ludwig-Maximilians University Munich, Germany
Submitted January 8, 2002; revised May 4, 2004; accepted August 12, 2004

Abstract
During an excavation headed by the German Institute for Archaeology, Cairo, at the tombs of the nobles in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt, three types of tissues from different mummies were
sampled to compare 13 well known rehydration methods for mummified tissue with three newly
developed methods. Furthermore, three fixatives were tested with each of the rehydration fluids.
Meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and a placenta were used for this study. The rehydration and
fixation procedures were uniform for all methods.

Materials and methods
In 1997, the German Institute for Archaeology
headed an excavation of the tombs of the nobles
in Thebes-West, Upper Egypt. At this time, three
types of tissues were sampled from different
mummies: meniscus (fibrocartilage), skin, and
placenta. Archaeological findings suggest that the
mummies dated from the New Kingdom (approxi-
mately 1550-1080 BC).

Skin
Skin sections showed particularly good tissue
preservation, although cellular outlines were never distinct. Although much of the epidermis had
already separated from the dermis, the remaining
epidermis often was preserved well (Fig. 1).

The basal epithelial cells were packed with melanin as expected for specimens of Negroid origin.
In the dermis, the hair follicles, hair, and sebaceous and sweat glands were readily apparent (Fig. 2). Blood vessels, but no red blood cells, and small peripheral nerves were identified unambiguously (Fig. 3). The subcutaneous layer showed loose connective tissue fibers attached to the dermis, and fat cell remnants were observed.
To evaluate the influence of postmortum tissue
decay by micro-organisms, the samples were
tested for the presence of fungi using silver
staining.

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Fragment of a relief representing queen Tiye

From Western Thebes, from the mortuary temple of Amenhotep III.
New Kingdom, 18th dynasty, 1375 BC. Quartz.
Neues Museum, Berlin AM23270

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quote:
Originally posted by Firewall:
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Originally posted by Trollkillah # Ish Gebor:
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Originally posted by Firewall:
And i go here sometimes.

Discuss Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014) on the IMDb message boards »

strange feeling about christian bale casting.

Ugh that Poster...


Question for the white people who are interested in this movie.


Silly Question - Is this the Ten Commandments?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm


and here.


Gods of Egypt (2016) - IMDb


Discuss Gods of Egypt (2016) on the IMDb message boards »

Whitewashing?


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2404233/board/?ref_=tt_bd_sm

So many of the comments are hilarious, based on opinions without depth understanding of ancient Egypt and her demographic composition.

I don't have an account there. But if you do, you can link this page over there.

Take a look at stuff from trudy4.

He/she is posting some good stuff over there and some others.

Take alook at threads

Let's put the racism issue to bed here

and

A white Egypt is a MYTH!!!! trudy4

Exodus: Gods and Kings (2014)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1528100/board/threads


For The gods of egypt thread i have not been there for awhile but i will take a look later to see what is going on there.

If we are to put the racism issue to bed, we need to focus on reality and do away with these imaginations and fictions. Delusions of grandeur. Not to mention the movie Noah. [Big Grin]
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Co-signed.


quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
These guys are making a movie to make money
not to try to make an accurate quasi-historic
statement.

On the real side you know and I know white
people are not going to pay their money to
see Egypt 1000 BCE as it was. Also the white
idea is to re-invent all 'cradle civs' as their own.

This is evident not only in the movie
industry but in all popular renditions
of anything they want to claim. Yes,
molecular population genetics included.


So why be so surprised or disappointed?
I mean really, what else did you expect?
A loss leader with African Egyptians and
dark south Levantines or background art
facsimiled from authentic artifacts? Hah!


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quote:
Originally posted by Truthcentric:

quote:
Originally posted by Amun-Ra The Ultimate:
This whitewashing of the Ancient Egyptian history is very unfortunate. They simply used (apparently) white American actors for almost every major Ancient Egyptian roles.

The movie in its setting would have been a great opportunity to see Africans as Ancient Egyptian pharaoh and people, interacting with Semitic people as Jewish people. Showing us a glimpse of the real history not a revised version of it. We know in America they have plenty of African-American actors who could have taken the roles of Ancient Egyptians.

Precisely what I was thinking. If they really needed to do another Moses movie, they should have hired African or Afro-Diasporan actors as the Egyptians and Middle Easterners as the Hebrews. But then Hollyweird is stupid like that.
Hell, they could have picked people from the actual Egyptian (non-Arab) community or at least other (non-Arab) North Africans which would be closest in actual looks, but what do you expect?!

It's Hollywack! Expecting them to produce a movie that accurately portrayed ancient Egyptians and Hebrews is like expecting the sky to rain doughnuts. [Roll Eyes]

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Well, how many of you supported an African's
version of the rape of Dinah by buying the
DVD? Movies aren't only made to make $$$
but to bolster the worldview of their
producer and directors.


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This was posted in another forum i go to sometimes.

Re: Ridley Scott's "Exodus"

CGHulk

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Whites with black servants!

http://schmoesknow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/exodus-gods-and-kings-christian-bale-joel-edgerton.jpg


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Actually they are the lower classes, not slaves.

Ridley Scott's "Exodus"

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=454665&page=31

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Specifically, both of these ancient individuals (Edit:Ramses III and the screaming mummy) inherited the alleles D21S11=35 and CSFIPO=7, which are found throughout Sub-Saharan Africa but are comparatively rare or absent in other regions of the world . These African related alleles are different from the African related alleles identified for the previously studied Amarna period mummies (D18S51=19 and D21S11=34).11 This provides independent evidence for African autosomal ancestry in two different pharaonic families of New Kingdom Egypt
Source: http://dnatribes.com/dnatribes-digest-2013-02-01.pdf
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Waiting for Hollywood to make movies with accurate depiction is a waste of time. The only way around that is for Black Producers, Directors, Actors, financiers to make their own movies instead of comedy nonsense like Tyler Perry, The Butler etc

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Co-signed.


quote:
Originally posted by Tukuler:
These guys are making a movie to make money
not to try to make an accurate quasi-historic
statement.

On the real side you know and I know white
people are not going to pay their money to
see Egypt 1000 BCE as it was. Also the white
idea is to re-invent all 'cradle civs' as their own.

This is evident not only in the movie
industry but in all popular renditions
of anything they want to claim. Yes,
molecular population genetics included.


So why be so surprised or disappointed?
I mean really, what else did you expect?
A loss leader with African Egyptians and
dark south Levantines or background art
facsimiled from authentic artifacts? Hah!



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It's another recent study clearly showing an African origins for the Ancient Egyptian civilization. This cultural horizon is part of the indigenous transition of African people from their common origin in Eastern Africa, to the Wavy line pottery/Green Sahara culture extending across the African Saharan belt for about 3000 years, to the Ancient Egyptian civilization confined along the Nile Valley. Forced to become more territorial due to lack of land, adopt agriculture (to survive, helped by the Nile flood irrigation), and laying the foundation for state formation. We're talking about an indigenous African cultural adaptation.

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:

Waiting for Hollywood to make movies with accurate depiction is a waste of time. The only way around that is for Black Producers, Directors, Actors, financiers to make their own

They won't do it because they won't break even.

Whites view a movie with a predominantly black
cast as an ethnic movie made for blacks not a
"universal" -- i.e., white, audience.

If a cable or TV movie whites won't watch it
because it's tantamount to inviting a black
into their home. Network honchos probably
would by-pass it fearing low ratings (too
few watchers for advertiser backing).

Blacks won't support it. They'll buy the bootleg.


These are the realities behind the sighing.

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Sigh! some "ethnic" movies/shows cross the color line.

If it is well made people will watch it. Maybe not as much as the block busters.

The lame Nigerian movies is a good example. They are flying off the shelves.

I don't get it but people actual watch that crap.

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Why White people don’t like Black movies.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/why-white-people-dont-like-black-movies


Why do Black people like White movies?
http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/why-white-people-dont-like-black-movies?page=2#blogPostHeaderPanel


Why should Blacks care if Whites don’t like Black Movies?
http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/why-white-people-dont-like-black-movies?page=3#blogPostHeaderPanel

With almost 14 Black films and films with Blacks in high profile roles scheduled for release from July to December of this year it would appear that another Black film renaissance (like the one in the early Nineties) is coming our way. All we have to do is support these films with our dollars and it won’t matter if Whites like or don’t like our movies.

Yet one of the deleterious consequences of narrowly defining Black films as films with a majority Black cast that situates Whites in peripheral or non-influential roles is that we are too easily convinced that Black films only appeal to a small domestic niche market. Even after the success of THINK LIKE A MAN in overseas markets like South Africa and Great Britain foreign licensing rights are still a sensitive issue of negotiation between studios and Black filmmakers- and by sensitive I mean you don’t discuss them with the studio if you want to get your film made or seen.

In addition, this narrow conception of Black movies encourages the studios to treat all Black films as one singular genre that appeals to one singular audience. Budgets are mandatorily kept low, development schedules are reduced to mere months and the control over the kinds of images we produce of ourselves are held in tight control in a myriad of other ways from screen ratios, to ratings to the dreaded DVD only release. All of this power is exerted upon images of Blacks by Whites perhaps because the only way to truly enjoy White power, privilege and control is when it is exerted against Blacks and other minorities.

Because African-Americans have not held simultaneous control over the four essential aspects of filmmaking: finance, production, distribution and exhibition since the advent of the “talking” Motion picture, we have been at the mercy so to speak of those Whites and other ethnicities who have and do hold control of if not all four aspects then at least one. The consequence of this “three card monte” type of power shuffle, for lack of a better analogy, is that even with the use of Kickstarter finance campaigns, AFFRM art-house releasing patterns, internet streaming, and on demand viewing Blacks are kept out of the “big arena”; segregated within an unequal global cinematic playing field.



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Man, Just thinking about the perils of making a Film and Reading the article that Tukuler posted just makes me wonder if there will be change.

I mean, how do you look for lies?? Do you dispel the lies and then put truth in it's place? Lies is what keeps whites civiliezation afloat destroy that and the whole mountain falls.

I will never understand why Black people need white acceptance of ANY Thing. Just put movies out so the next gen of Blacks, can learn and grow from them. Even if you take a hit....so what...just keep it moving and know you are sowing seeds so that the youth learn. It's all about growing the children....Black films can lay the foundation and Angola is doing their part, but is AA's watching or finding these films?

As we see in the world, Whites aint interested in anything but control. I think that this Gotta change but they are so blinded by superiority, that they can't see themselves as just another ethnic group.

Lioness posted the real reason for dismantling South Africas nuclear arms and I am not surprised.

As for movies, that's the easiest way that the youth can learn, since people only read little texts these days maybe educational movies can make them WANT To educate themselves. I said earlier that you can't wait on hollywood to change, so you do the footwork.

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quote:
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[QB] Man, Just thinking about the perils of making a Film and Reading the article that Tukuler posted just makes me wonder if there will be change.

I mean, how do you look for lies?? Do you dispel the lies and then put truth in it's place? Lies is what keeps whites civilization afloat destroy that and the whole mountain falls.


I disagree that Lies is what keeps whites civilization afloat

I think what keeps whites civilization afloat are weapons technology

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In fact who cares if White people watch these movies if they are made. Really.

I recently had a discussion with my brother. Maybe desegregation was not a good idea. Really? Was desegregation worth it? It seems to have removed power and focus from Aframs.

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According to the author of the above article Andre Seewood black directors should try to reach a wider audience than just and it would also get bigger budgets for their films. In order to do this they need to destroy the idea of a uniquely Black experience
in other words, the death of the concept "it's a black thing you wouldn't understand"

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This may not be a racial thing. I have walked out of movies also. Made by both black or whites. A bad movie is a bad movie. If an issue is not sensitive to me, I will also walk out. I have walked out of many black movies. There are so many ways you can use foul language before it becomes irritating. The problem with many modern black films are the scripts. I am not sure if is by intent or design but many are losey. But there are a few good ones.. Antoine Fuqua(?). Training Day and Juice. Are two well done drama. So get these better Black producers/directors to make movies and finance it. As I said. Leave white people out of our business.


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Yet I noticed and couldn’t help but to keep track of the fact that 10 minutes after the house lights went off and the film started many Whites began discreetly heading towards the exits. Two by two, White couples and individuals continued to leave the screening as the film was on, until by the film’s end only the Blacks and a handful of Whites remained. I was stunned because I assumed that the older White couples in attendance, who would have been young adults during the Sixties, surely could empathize with the Civil Rights issues dramatized with the film, but the emptying out of the theatre would seem to confirm that some Whites –no matter how tolerant- are unwilling or unable to overcome their Racial Empathy Gap.


The above excerpt reminds me of the show about Fela Kuti(?) I saw in Philly a couple of years ago. Most whites walked out about 30min into the program. Why? The verbal abuse of white people was over-bearing. Even as a black man I think it was over the top.

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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=twelveyearsaslave.htm

12 Years a Slave

Director: Steve McQueen (II)


Domestic Total Gross: $56,671,993

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The box office results of Spike Lee's films do not seems to fit what Andre Seewood might have predicted


http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=spikelee.htm


Spike Lee films

Lifetime Gross Total (20): $377,173,000
Average: $18,858,650
Opening Gross Average (11): $7,779,007 (Wide Releases Only)



Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation

Rank Title Studio Adjusted Gross Unadjusted Gross Release date


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1 Inside Man Uni. $107,567,600
$88,513,495
3/24/06

2 Malcolm X WB $92,418,600
$48,169,910
11/20/92

3 Jungle Fever Uni. $61,416,200
$32,482,682
6/7/91

4 The Original Kings of Comedy Par. $56,388,700 $38,182,790
8/18/00

5 Do the Right Thing Uni. $55,229,700
$27,545,445 6/30/89

6 He Got Game BV $36,605,600
$21,567,853
5/1/98

7 Mo' Better Blues Uni. $30,397,800
$16,153,593
8/3/90

8 Summer of Sam BV $30,223,100
$19,288,130 7/2/99

9 School Daze Col. $28,171,500
$14,545,844
2/12/88

10 Crooklyn Uni. $25,980,200
$13,642,861
5/13/94

11 Clockers Uni. $23,919,400
$13,071,518 9/15/95

12 25th Hour BV $17,284,500
$13,084,595
12/19/02

13 She's Gotta Have It, Isld $15,313,900
$7,137,502
8/8/86

14 Get on the Bus Sony $10,362,900
$5,754,249 10/18/96

15 Girl 6 FoxS $8,896,400
$4,939,939
3/22/96

16 Miracle at St. Anna BV $8,779,400
$7,919,117 9/26/08

17 Bamboozled NL $3,359,700
$2,274,979 10/6/00

18 Oldboy (2013) FD $2,091,200
$2,193,658 11/27/13

19 She Hate Me SPC $469,200
$366,037
7/28/04

20 Red Hook Summer Vari. $346,300
$338,803 8/10/12


(bolded titles, white primary actor)

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BTW on the OP. Looking at the Trailers, the movie seem to be more about the Bible and Moses than an reenactment about the life of Rameses II. But….come to think of it. All inhabitants in that part of the world at that time were black skinned people anyhow.
So another “feel-good” movie for whites. No wonder they are hooked on Prozac Believing their own lies before reality sets in..

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Spike is OK. The better ones are :

can't believe "Girl 6 " only made 4Mil Adjusted. Was it that bad? lol!


2 Malcolm X WB $92,418,600
$48,169,910
11/20/92

8 Summer of Sam BV $30,223,100
$19,288,130 7/2/99

15 Girl 6 FoxS $8,896,400
$4,939,939
3/22/96


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As I said, if better Black producers are better financed better quality films would be made.

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
This may not be a racial thing. I have walked out of movies also. Made by both black or whites. A bad movie is a bad movie. If an issue is not sensitive to me, I will also walk out. I have walked out of many black movies. There are so many ways you can use foul language before it becomes irritating. The problem with many modern black films are the scripts. I am not sure if is by intent or design but many are losey. But there are a few good ones.. Antoine Fuqua(?). Training Day and Juice. Are two well done drama. So get these better Black producers/directors to make movies and finance it. As I said. Leave white people out of our business.


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Yet I noticed and couldn’t help but to keep track of the fact that 10 minutes after the house lights went off and the film started many Whites began discreetly heading towards the exits. Two by two, White couples and individuals continued to leave the screening as the film was on, until by the film’s end only the Blacks and a handful of Whites remained. I was stunned because I assumed that the older White couples in attendance, who would have been young adults during the Sixties, surely could empathize with the Civil Rights issues dramatized with the film, but the emptying out of the theatre would seem to confirm that some Whites –no matter how tolerant- are unwilling or unable to overcome their Racial Empathy Gap.


The above excerpt reminds me of the show about Fela Kuti(?) I saw in Philly a couple of years ago. Most whites walked out about 30min into the program. Why? The verbal abuse of white people was over-bearing. Even as a black man I think it was over the top.

The Great Debaters directed by Denzel Washington was a great movie in my opinion.

Harlem Nights directed by Eddy Murphy.

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quote:
Originally posted by xyyman:
BTW on the OP. Looking at the Trailers, the movie seem to be more about the Bible and Moses than an reenactment about the life of Rameses II. But….come to think of it. All inhabitants in that part of the world at that time were black skinned people anyhow.
So another “feel-good” movie for whites. No wonder they are hooked on Prozac Believing their own lies before reality sets in..

I know, and I toughed that subject as well. It actually makes if even more ridiculous.
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Anyone with Dutch connections. Trying to get followup studies on this. Apprently Dr. Voutsaki performed extensive aDNA work on Greeks circa 1500bc back in 2004-2006. It was uppose to be published. Anyone?

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Age and gender in the southern Greek mainland, 2000 - 1500 BC

Sofia Voutsaki

Groningen Institute of Archaeology
University of Groningen
The Netherlands

s.voutsaki@let.rug.nl


Abstract
This paper explores the changing social significance and cultural perception of age and
gender during the Middle Bronze Age and the transition to the Late Bronze Age (ca. 2000
– 1500 BC). The study will focus on the Argolid in the northeastern Peloponnese and in
particular the sites of Lerna and Mycenae.
Around 1700 BC the southern Greek mainland underwent rapid social and cultural
change manifested through the introduction of ostentatious practices and the increasing
elaboration of the mortuary sphere. These changes find their most dramatic
manifestation in the famous 'Shaft Graves' of Mycenae (discovered by Heinrich
Schliemann in 1876) which signal the emergence of social differentiation in the
mainland.
The comparative analysis of the modest intramural burials in the neighbouring site Lerna
and the spectacular Shaft Graves in Mycenae will attempt to reveal the redefinition of
age and gender relations and the changing articulation of the two main principles which
structure social life: kinship and status.

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Anyone with Dutch connections. Trying to get followup studies on this. Apprently Dr. Voutsaki performed extensive aDNA work on Greeks circa 1500bc back in 2004-2006. It was uppose to be published. Anyone?

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Age and gender in the southern Greek mainland, 2000 - 1500 BC

Sofia Voutsaki

Groningen Institute of Archaeology
University of Groningen
The Netherlands

s.voutsaki@let.rug.nl


Abstract
This paper explores the changing social significance and cultural perception of age and
gender during the Middle Bronze Age and the transition to the Late Bronze Age (ca. 2000
– 1500 BC). The study will focus on the Argolid in the northeastern Peloponnese and in
particular the sites of Lerna and Mycenae.
Around 1700 BC the southern Greek mainland underwent rapid social and cultural
change manifested through the introduction of ostentatious practices and the increasing
elaboration of the mortuary sphere. These changes find their most dramatic
manifestation in the famous 'Shaft Graves' of Mycenae (discovered by Heinrich
Schliemann in 1876) which signal the emergence of social differentiation in the
mainland.
The comparative analysis of the modest intramural burials in the neighbouring site Lerna
and the spectacular Shaft Graves in Mycenae will attempt to reveal the redefinition of
age and gender relations and the changing articulation of the two main principles which
structure social life: kinship and status.

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http://www.mhargolid.nl/data/voutsaki2004b.pdf

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