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ausar
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Check out the two articles about perception of race in the Arab world at this following website:

http://www.lau.edu.lb/centers-institutes/bima/papers.html

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In one of the papers, namely, The construction of a Nubian identity in Egypt, there is this quote:
quote:
The Southern
Sudanese and Ghanaian considered Egyptians to be racist and felt that rarely were they able to be in
the city of Cairo without experiencing some form of verbal assault from an Egyptian. Women
complained of being physically molested, i.e groping by Egyptian men.
Northern Sudanese,
however, simply felt that Egyptians were just impolite people.

The bolded comment echoes the current groping scandal that's rocking Egypt.

See yesterdays (11/15/06) NYTimes article:
quote:
By MONA EL-NAGGAR and MICHAEL SLACKMAN
Published: November 15, 2006
CAIRO — There is fear in the shops along Talat Harb Street, and shame. It is not because of what the people who work here say they witnessed, the crowds of men groping women and pulling at their clothing. They fear the police returning, and they are shamed by their own silence.

Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/15/world/africa/15cairo.html
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Nice articles ausar, thanx, I especially like these quotes below on page 16 which kinda sums up what i said on the thread " OT: blacks in the EU"

"Concious and unconcious beliefs of color prejudice have, virus like, migrated to all regions of the world using the extremly efficient vehicle of American popular media."

"American films, television, advertising and marketing schemes have all consistently fosterd in America and around the world racist concepts-some gross, other subtle-that insist on the inherent inferiority if not evil of africans and "other" dark people."
http://inhouse.lau.edu.lb/bima/papers/Perry.pdf

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Egypt was importing African women from the south
and southwest for sexual purposes long before there
was a Europe less lone an America. See J.A. Rogers
Sex and Race vol. 1. Also see Edwardes & Masters
Cradle of Erotica.

But for the extreme in sexual malaproise regarding
Africans, both male and female, see an unexpurgated
edition or translation of the Thousand Nights and a Night.
Every racial myth used in the west was already invented
there in this Persian/Arab book of tales.

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quote:
Every racial myth used in the west was already invented
there in this Persian/Arab book of tales.

So if every racial myth in the west was already existent in the middle east, were these later adopted by the west from the ME or did they develope it seperatly through their own contacts?
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I dunno. I wasn't around back then.

Try perusing a set of volumes called
The Image of the Black in Western Art
but just look at the pictures and analyze
them for yourself instead of relying on the
chapter authors' opinions.

You can see the shift in depictions as the
assessment of the Africans humanity changes
over the centuries. Despite its title, the
book starts with Ancient Egypt (damnedest
part of the western world I never heard of).

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alTakruri, I forget the quote that thought referenced but it was about how racism towards dark skinned people developed in the Late Antique world. He quoted St. Claire Drake something about light vs. darkness being the basis for prejustice against ''black'' skinned people. He also quotes a Greco-Roman physician named Galen saying negative remarks towards ''black'' skinned people.
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quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Egypt was importing African women from the south
and southwest for sexual purposes long before there
was a Europe less lone an America. See J.A. Rogers
Sex and Race vol. 1. Also see Edwardes & Masters
Cradle of Erotica.

So blacks were "importing" other blacks for concubine/sex slave purposes? Are you implying the discredited theory that egyptians weren't black and that they felt a "racial hatred" toward their southern neighbors?

quote:
But for the extreme in sexual malaproise regarding
Africans, both male and female, see an unexpurgated
edition or translation of the Thousand Nights and a Night.
Every racial myth used in the west was already invented
there in this Persian/Arab book of tales.

Okay, so Arabs had negative views toward Afircans, they had negative views toward Europeaans (they think they're so high on the evolutionary ladder) too, so what's your point? You know that doing the Ghana Empire period BOTH blacks and arabs purchased europeans as both domestic and sex slaves, there are reports of Mansa Musa purchasing a Turkish girl as a sex slave during his Mecca, and the Yoruba enslaved Hausa muslims because they were of a foreign faith, so, slavery went all around babe [Wink] .
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I think the reason that topic was opened is to show that anti Black sentiment is not confined to North America or South Africa...at the same time Black also enslaved non Black people...
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I seriously suggest you make yourself familiar with my
"thesis" on vignette 30 of the Book of Portals, Gate
of Teka Hra.

I have no need to defend myself against such
an asinine and erroneousassertion as to what
I posit about Kmtyw be they Rt Rmt or Nhhsy.

You need to wash out the Euro programming in your
worldview and learn how to interpret a statement
based on hoe it actually reads rather than run
the pre-ordered track Euros have ingrained upon
you to pace.

We are pro-active independent analysts of Africana
not reactionary protesters against colonial Africanist.

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Originally posted by Obelisk_18:
Are you implying the discredited theory that egyptians weren't black and that they felt a "racial hatred" toward their southern neighbors?



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These things should'nt bother you all, except when its time to throw hands, just kidding. The arab world prized the skill of adaptation to the religion than anything else. skin color is a human weakness like money, class, valour, fame and etc. The best of us are the most pious(islam) to their Lord. With that a person can conquer all

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quote:
Originally posted by Obelisk_18:
quote:
Originally posted by alTakruri:
Egypt was importing African women from the south
and southwest for sexual purposes long before there
was a Europe less lone an America. See J.A. Rogers
Sex and Race vol. 1. Also see Edwardes & Masters
Cradle of Erotica.

So blacks were "importing" other blacks for concubine/sex slave purposes? Are you implying the discredited theory that egyptians weren't black and that they felt a "racial hatred" toward their southern neighbors?

quote:
But for the extreme in sexual malaproise regarding
Africans, both male and female, see an unexpurgated
edition or translation of the Thousand Nights and a Night.
Every racial myth used in the west was already invented
there in this Persian/Arab book of tales.

Okay, so Arabs had negative views toward Afircans, they had negative views toward Europeaans (they think they're so high on the evolutionary ladder) too, so what's your point? You know that doing the Ghana Empire period BOTH blacks and arabs purchased europeans as both domestic and sex slaves, there are reports of Mansa Musa purchasing a Turkish girl as a sex slave during his Mecca, and the Yoruba enslaved Hausa muslims because they were of a foreign faith, so, slavery went all around babe [Wink] .

one correction,mansa musa never purchased turkish slaves himself.

quote-
Mansa Musa’s crowning achievement was his famous pilgrimage to Mecca, which started in 1324 and concluded with his return in 1326.
Accounts of how many people and how much gold he spent vary. All of them agree it was a very large group (the mansa kept a personal
guard of some 500 men),[20] and he gave out so many alms and bought so many things that gold’s value in Egypt and the near east
depreciated for twelve years.[21] When he passed through Cairo, historian al-Maqurizi noted "the members of his entourage proceeded to buy Turkish and Ethiopian slave girls, singing girls and garments, so that the rate of the gold dinar fell by six dirhams."

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