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Mmmkay
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An interesting discovery within the last 40 years relates to human psychology and a certain discomfort with conflict beliefs/information leading to irrational conclusions. The phenomenon I am referring to is "cognitive dissonance"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

I believe this is the probably problem many Eurocentrists face when confronted with the facts regarding sophisticated African societies such as egypt or the swahili coast, often attributing them to outside forces, (thus defying occams razor)or more commonly "arabs" if their is an overwhelming unlikelihood of european intervention.

I propose that such nonsensical nonsense is not necessarily due to malicious thinking but a rather a *psychological neccessity* or rather inablity to accept data which goes against the view. This in turn can be likened to the modern flat earth society.

Incredibly,they assert:

* we don't believe the world is round
* Have Scientific data and measurements backing up claims
* The round earth is a "myth"
* there is a secret conspiracy to withhold the truth of a flat earth to the public.

Likewise commonly eurocentrists:

* don't believe afro-asiatic speaking egyptians no the swahili speaking peoples of the east africa coast to be "black" or tropical african derivation
* Have "overwhelming" evidence to back up their claim (blonde/red haired mummies etc)
* Calling egypt african is "afrocentrist"

eurocentrist egypt = flat earth?

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^ Of course, because such Eurocentric beliefs are all dogma.
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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Of course, because such Eurocentric beliefs are all dogma.

THE BLACK RACIST FILIPINO CARPETBAGGER AT WORK AGAIN:

"I'M DARK BUT NOT BLACK - ONLY AFRICANS CAN BE BLACK" [Big Grin] [Big Grin]


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quote:
Originally posted by Djehuti:
^ Of course, because such Eurocentric beliefs are all dogma.

THE BLACK FILIPINO WANTS TO BE CALLED BROWN.
[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
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Not out of Africa: How Afrocentrism Became an Excuse to Teach Myth as History.

- book reviews

Insight on the News, April 15, 1996 by Lynne Cheney

Lefkowitz knows better. In Not Out of Africa: How Afrocentrism Became An Excuse to Teach Myth as History, she applies her knowledge of the ancient world and its languages to showing, as she puts it, that "virtually all the claims made by Afrocentrists can be shown to be without substance."

Take the claim that Cleopatra of Egypt was black. To reach this conclusion, Lefkowitz points out, one must assume that the unlikely actually is probable: for example, that Cleopatra's grandmother, the only member of her family not identified precisely as a Macedonian Greek, was a black African. It is possible that this was the case, Letfkowitz points out; but surely if it had been, the Roman writers of the time, who hated Cleopatra, would have used her foreign ancestry against her.

Because ancient sources that mention the matter identify Cleopatra as Macedonian Greek, Afrocentrists turn to more modern sources to buttress their case. One writer, Joel Rogers, has pointed out that in Antony and Cleopatra, Shakespeare describes Cleopatra as "tawny," which means, he says, that Shakespeare thought of her as a mulatto. Lefkowitz finds this unconvincing - just as she does the use of the bard's work on this occasion - "as if Shakespeare were an authority on Ptolemaic Egypt."

But other Afrocentrist citations are even more bizarre. Rogers actually offers as evidence a passage from Ripley's Believe It or Not that claims that Cleopatra was "fat and black." John Henrik Clarke, professor emeritus of black and Puerto Rican studies at Hunter College in New York, writes that "in the Book of Acts, Cleopatra describes herself as `black.'" Clarke does not give the precise chapter and verse in Acts and for very good reason, says Lefkowitz. Cleopatra is not mentioned in Acts and, in fact, died some 60 years before this book of the New Testament was written.

To illustrate the harm done by Afrocentric myths, Lefkowitz tells of the Wellesley student who objected to the showing of the film Cleopatra on the grounds that having Elizabeth Taylor in the starring role perpetuated the lie of "white supremacy." When a member of the classics department tried to discuss Cleopatra's genealogy with the student, it quickly became apparent that she wanted no part of such explanations. To her way of thinking, they were further examples of white racism.

Afrocentrism is more than an exercise in esteem building; it is a way of nurturing racial resentment. When academics such as Lefkowitz are skeptical, it is seen as evidence that whites, simply because they are white, want to deny blacks, simply because they are black, the grand heritage of ancient Egypt. Before the 19th century, Afrocentrists say, scholars acknowledged the primacy of Egypt, but with the burgeoning of the slave trade, European scholars began to minimize the importance of all things African and to credit the Greeks with what were actually Egyptian achievements.

Lefkowitz acknowledges that there was a shift, but it was not racism that caused it; rather, it was an increase in knowledge. Scholars learned how to read hieroglyphics "and once they were able to read real Egyptian texts," they "could disregard the fanciful interpretations of hieroglyphics that had been circulating since late antiquity." Afrocentrists return to these fanciful interpretations and report as truth such myths as Aristotle's having plagiarized his philosophy from the library at Alexandria - a clear impossibility, Lefkowitz observes, since the library was assembled only after Aristotle's death.

Those concerned about fraudulent history being taught on campuses owe a debt of gratitude to Lefkowitz for this book, and so do those who are appalled by untruths being propagated in our schools. Concerned parents will find herein powerful ammunition in their battle to rid of Afrocentrist ideas the worldhistory curriculum their children are studying.

But the battle likely is to be protracted. Afrocentrists themselves will not be impressed by the evidence that Lefkowitz has piled up because truth - which is the aim of gathering evidence - is not their concern. Their goal is a pride-building myth.

Perhaps in the next stage of the debate over Afrocentrism it should be asked why myth is necessary, since the truth should be such an obvious source of pride. As presidential hopeful Alan Keyes has observed, "The survival of black people in America, through slavery, racist assaults and economic deprivation, is one of the greatest sagas of the human spirit the world has ever seen."

Lynne Cheney is a senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and the author of Telling the Truth: Why Our Culture and Our Country Have Stopped Making Sense and What We Can Do About It.


COPYRIGHT 1996 News World Communications, Inc.
COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group

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DO WE NEED UNIVERSITIES TEACHING AFROCENTRISM OR FLAT EARTH SCIENCE?
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LOL! You mean to tell me Glider that you haven't got enough? Need to post the same spam in multiple threads huh?

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Glider click here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E3DODi_2KI

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Three "funny" observations:
  1. It's awfully funny when a certain poster is directly confronted all she/he is capable of is resorting to distractionary red-herring article s dedicated to monitoring( and whining about the activities of) 'afrocentrists' - which does not address the identity of the Ancient Egyptians, which either was a premise, the original intent, or is the conclusion of the author.
    quote:
    Afrocentrists themselves will not be impressed by the evidence that Lefkowitz has piled up because [...] Their goal is a pride-building myth.

  2. Fails comprehend his own citations, which actually refute him.
  3. And it's also quite funny how, even Afrocentric-critic Mary Lefkowitz has admitted - if unnecissarily, yet tellingly, pessimistically in attitude - where the Dynastic Egyptians came from. However, to her credit, she didn't do so in the petty manner most of her ilk do - which is by arbitrarily adding in: "but ... there must o'been some Asians in there somewhere". Perhaps she wouldn't want to do this anyway - such thinking could have dier consequences if it were to be considered in the context of Greek civilization, the focus Mrs. Lefkowitz has reverted her attention to.

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 - (All the while these empty-headed ideology driven types remain errant-minded as to how they set themselves up for disaster in the long run - these petty "attacks" can be countered quite easily by simple questions, like, these three

1.)
"What is an 'Afrocentrist', to be denigrated like that?",

2.) "How do you know 'Afrocentrists' are a monolithic entity; how do you know what most Afrocentrists' goals are?",

and

3.) "What exactly warrants someone to be pejoratively designated 'Afrocentrist', is it the simple act of stating Egypt was black, and if so, do you realize how that makes you BIASED, and NOT to be taken seriously?")

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quote:


Afrocentrism in a nutshell:

The ancient Egyptians were black, Cleopatra was black, the ancient Greeks stole Africa's culture (philosophy, medicine) and claimed it as their own, Africans invented writing, had many architectural achievements, developed electricity and "early planes." They believe that Africa is one homogeneous culture, despite the fact that many cultures exist on the continent, and that all ancient civilizations were either black or stole ideas from blacks. [Big Grin]

...This bogus history (which "scholars" say was destroyed by whites to downplay Africa's greatness) is apparently designed to raise the self-esteem of black kids, which some surmise is the reason for their poor performances in school. Again, at first glance, it's obvious that lack of parental involvement and home environments not conducive to learning (no books, too much TV viewing), coupled with unqualified teachers and the indoctrination of politically correct tripe like afrocentrism, are major reasons black children underperform in school. Why black parents allow their precious gifts from God to be experimented on by quacks is beyond me.




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The idea that Egyptians are not black is revisionist history
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It would be better if you stop talking about "Afrocentrism" I'm as much against that as you are
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quote:
Originally posted by Glider:
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Eurocentrism in a nutshell:

The ancient Romans were white, Sappho was white, Chinese and Japanese stole Europe's culture (science, technology) and claimed it as their own, Europeans *invented* the wheel, had every architectural achievements (but in Africa and the "Middle East" [Wink] ), developed all the maths, and taught it to everyone else." They believe that Europe is one homogeneous culture, despite the fact that many cultures exist on the continent, and that all ancient civilizations were either white or stole ideas from whites. [Big Grin]

...This bogus history (which "laymen" hope was destroyed by jungle bunnies to downplay Europe's greatness) is apparently designed to raise the self-esteem of white kids, which some surmise is the reason for their poor performances in school. Again, at first glance, it's obvious that lack of parental involvement and home environments not conducive to learning (no books, too much TV viewing), coupled with unqualified teachers and the indoctrination of politically correct tripe like white superiority, are major reasons white children underperform in school. Why white parents allow their precious gifts from God to be experimented on by quacks is beyond me.




I wonder..

Who here adhere's to this? (What Glider posted) - My bet is five.

Come on guys, everybody raise your hands.

Cleo was not black by the way, which makes it funny how that's the only pharoah they'll depict as black in their made-up cartoon depictions (referring to the black Cleopatra of a coloring book).

Also, notice some of the things the cut and paste sarcastically insinuates are fallacious are actually true - Africans *did* come up with their own indigenous scripts, on multiple occasions. [Wink]

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Glider wet dream:

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Please, leave me be, and resume 'glossin' [Wink] .

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