The architecture is Moorish and is inspired by the famous Alhambra in Spain. White walled exteriors are interspersed with exquisite mosaics and the central minaret rises to a height of almost 100 feet. The woodwork adorning the mosques internal courtyards is stunningly carved and the dark colour of the wood - eucalyptus and cedar - contrasts beautifully with the white exterior. SourcePosts: 67 | Registered: Feb 2007
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While I can't make a contribution as relevant as Honi B's, I will say that Africana is robust enough to include a little about France. So, if you will, indulge me.
Charles Martel kept the Moors a good 140 miles away from Paris by defeating them at Tours. But by 1610 Henry IV had invited perhaps a million Moors to settle in the south of France after the expulsion from the Iberian peninsula. Auvergnese was the most heavily Moorish populated place in France.
Some Frenchmen reported to be of this stock are Bertrand du Guesclin Joachim Murat Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte Pierre Laval
Surprisingly, Louis XIV refused to exchange the Barbary corsairs in his hold for those French captives Mulai Ismael offered in their stead.
What may also not be so well known is that France did have major slave trade entrepot at the port of Nantes. This eventually made a problem in Paris from mulato foundlings of both black and white mothers numbering nearly 1,500. It was big enough a problem that Louis XV hit on a plan to expel all the blacks to Cayenne.
From 1685 - 1820 marriages of blacks and whites was illegal in France as a spillover effect of Haiti's Code Noir. Josephine had Napoleon rescind the law so that one of her black servants could marry a white girl.
Despite whatever effect the Cayenne expulsion had there were enough in France in Murat's time that one of his regiments was all black except for some Greeks and Neapolitans of the same colour as per
A. G. Cheney Negro Soldiers in Murat's Army New Service v169: London, 1913
Besides General Alexander Dumas commander of the cavalry, Napoleon supposedly had up to eleven more other generals of inner African descent. Napoleon's hundreds of black officers turned against him when he re-instated slavery in Haiti.
France had the usual complaints whites make about "their negroes." Too much money, sportin' pimped out limos, white maids and butlers. And of course, ahem, Y wimmens. "There will soon be no other than mulattoe in France!" (A. Aulard, Paris sous le Consulat)
quote:Originally posted by Habari: How do you know that your ancestors are the Moors?
Well, Puertorican is not a race, is a nationality,the dna test will help me, but for now, i only assume, because i don't have a family history or any proof of an exact ancestry, i only know i am mixed.
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Good for you...for the sake of this forum, get some DNA test...so we can know for sure that you have some Moor ancestry otherwise: they say in French: C'est de la masturbation intellectuelle...just pick up a dictionary and you will figure out...
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quote:Originally posted by Habari: Good for you...for the sake of this forum, get some DNA test...so we can know for sure that you have some Moor ancestry otherwise: they say in French: C'est de la masturbation intellectuelle...just pick up a dictionary and you will figure out...
yes, i understood some part of it,but stop being so aggresive, chill your black blood out.
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^I just can't understand how you can crave yet hate your blackness all in the same breath!
Your frustration is like that of a man with a hot naked lady spreadeagled before him, but unable to get it up lol Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: ^I just can't understand how you can crave yet hate your blackness all in the same breath!
Your frustration is like that of a man with a hot naked lady spreadeagled before him, but unable to get it up lol
i didn't say I hate my blackness,but remember, I am mixed and i am not into the "pride" thing.i am not fustrated,i am not that emotional and sensitive as youall are with your black pride and you all get angry when you see people who don't praise your ethnicity.
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^some black people on this forum sometimes get angry when someone insults their ethnicity.
Nobody is asking for praise, it's all going on in your head Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: ^some black people on this forum sometimes get angry when someone insults their ethnicity.
Nobody is asking for praise, it's all going on in your head
yes, all of you want to feel superior to anyone else, denigrating mixed bloods telling them "mongrels" because my parents loved each other being them of a different ethnicity both,and talking about pureness and crap.
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^dude, the "others" don't have to date mixed race women to prove that ... never mind, you won't get it Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: ^dude, the "others" don't have to date mixed race women to prove that ... never mind, you won't get it
No, but do they think like you,or they think they are the "race" unlike you?I see the one who isn't getting what I'm saying is you.
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quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: ^you're right .
Uhum, you only get the emotionlal and subjective reaction, but you don't understand logic and objectivity I am afraid.When you people learn not to be so "proud" of your ethnicity, perhaps we will get along better,but if you all continue with your overriden pride and selfishness, things will not going to change.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: While I can't make a contribution as relevant as Honi B's, I will say that Africana is robust enough to include a little about France. So, if you will, indulge me.
Charles Martel kept the Moors a good 140 miles away from Paris by defeating them at Tours. But by 1610 Henry IV had invited perhaps a million Moors to settle in the south of France after the expulsion from the Iberian peninsula. Auvergnese was the most heavily Moorish populated place in France.
Some Frenchmen reported to be of this stock are Bertrand du Guesclin Joachim Murat Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte Pierre Laval
Surprisingly, Louis XIV refused to exchange the Barbary corsairs in his hold for those French captives Mulai Ismael offered in their stead.
What may also not be so well known is that France did have major slave trade entrepot at the port of Nantes. This eventually made a problem in Paris from mulato foundlings of both black and white mothers numbering nearly 1,500. It was big enough a problem that Louis XV hit on a plan to expel all the blacks to Cayenne.
From 1685 - 1820 marriages of blacks and whites was illegal in France as a spillover effect of Haiti's Code Noir. Josephine had Napoleon rescind the law so that one of her black servants could marry a white girl.
Despite whatever effect the Cayenne expulsion had there were enough in France in Murat's time that one of his regiments was all black except for some Greeks and Neapolitans of the same colour as per
A. G. Cheney Negro Soldiers in Murat's Army New Service v169: London, 1913
Besides General Alexander Dumas commander of the cavalry, Napoleon supposedly had up to eleven more other generals of inner African descent. Napoleon's hundreds of black officers turned against him when he re-instated slavery in Haiti.
France had the usual complaints whites make about "their negroes." Too much money, sportin' pimped out limos, white maids and butlers. And of course, ahem, Y wimmens. "There will soon be no other than mulattoe in France!" (A. Aulard, Paris sous le Consulat)
Thanks mate . I think I'm going to visit here now. I've always wanted to go there but something else always took priority...
quote: The Palace of Versailles is famous across the world for its grandeur and draws tourists from far and wide who come to explore its lavish interiors and formal gardens. Built by Louis the XIV...
I'm only going for a weekend, so the Paris Mosque and Palace of Versailles should do the trick.
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^^Wow!!Nice photos! The Mosque seems larger than what I thought it would be and the tile work on the building is beautiful! I'll have to go and visit there myself some day (did you have lunch there? How was the food? lol) and who's that man in the 4th and 7th pictures? Thanks for sharing your pics with us. Posts: 67 | Registered: Feb 2007
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Yes, verrry nice pics! Last time, I visited Paris was in May 2007. I did something called 'Paris en vélo" with friends. Crossing Paris by bike for 1 day was fun. Hope you had a nice time in spite of the rain.
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The food was real nice, they had sweet pasteries outside the restaurant and a type of sweet green tea.
I don't know who that man is in the 4th,7th pics but I just had to take a picture of the dude . Perhaps he had something to do with the library (which is where his picture is).
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I'll have to do a little research and find out who he is, I'm surpised there's not a nameplate on the picture, he looks to be pretty significant in the scheme of things there. Also, the (great) actor Keith David resembles him alot too,hmm..perhaps a movie? Posts: 67 | Registered: Feb 2007
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Thanks for the info. Doug M, interesting. Does Samory Toure have his hair in locs? or is that apart of his head scarf?
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^ No he does not have 'locks'. The wearing of 'dreadlocks' in most West African nations until recently was frowned upon, and those who wore it were viewed as 'outcasts' in that society.
Critically, Samori Turay was a Mandinga/Mandinka warrior-nationalist warlord. The Mande nations do not have a tradition of wearing 'dreadlocks'.
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Dreadlocks is one of the most common hairstyle in Africa, I think Tuareg, Fulani and some other groups in West Africa wear them, you can find them even in Southern Africa among the Himba, it was very common among Ancient Egyptians, Masai and Afars have dreadlocks: Posts: 461 | From: Kilimanjaro | Registered: Jan 2008
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an interesting feature of the sitting area under a tree outside where they serve pastries, is the birds that insist on sharing your cake with you
^not that I had any left to share Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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I'll upload some pics from my meanderings at the Palace of Versailles soon as I can ...
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quote:Originally posted by Habari: Good for you...for the sake of this forum, get some DNA test...so we can know for sure that you have some Moor ancestry otherwise: they say in French: C'est de la masturbation intellectuelle...just pick up a dictionary and you will figure out...
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!! Tres bien et tres drole!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Honi B: ^^Wow!!Nice photos! The Mosque seems larger than what I thought it would be and the tile work on the building is beautiful! I'll have to go and visit there myself some day (did you have lunch there? How was the food? lol)...
I reckoned you should know, the pictures are high def so if you save them and open 'em up in 'Windows Picture and Fax Viewer' (comes with Win XP I think) or something you can really zoom in on them, make very large copies etc and still get good quality graphics.
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