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Why don't these Liars just tell the true story? why do Westerners have to re-skin what already exists? Why don't they just create their own story!? Why keep stealing!!???
Protests a plenty over Tut but BAs let this one go right past them without so much as a whimper. Go figure.
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Protests a plenty over Tut but BAs let this one go right past them without so much as a whimper. Go figure.
I presume BA means Black Americans?
Yep, an English dude I worked with once said to me "You can't understand what you don't know", when he noticed my sometimes frustrated "search" for "Egypt" (I always had the AE & E forum home page open at work for all to see ).
I posted this thread because my gf wanted to go and see Lion King as a way to show her interest in things of African culture (lol ), and I told her it's bullshit. She said "Oh, but all the actors are Africans!" Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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I've posted my personal disgust at Disney a few times in various forums because they present everybody over the whole broad earth their cultural heritage with real people or cartoon people but when it comes to Africa they use animals, aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
But yes, when I show pictures of my youngest son and myself people invariably go "Musafa & Simba." My son loved the movie, watches the DVD and re-enacts the death of Mufasa and other scenes.
Children need Disney's Lion King cartoon. Lady friends deserve a night out on the town, why not the Lion King play.
But those of us presuming ourselves students of Africana and friends of freed minds need to critique Disney's Lion King for what it is and steer folk to MariDjata the real Lion King of factual Mande Africa not fictional Swahili Africa and yes even the old Egyptic African archetype of the Ausar cycle.
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^Real talk. A "collateral damage" I have experienced in my psyche (since I awakened from my pentecostal-Christianity stupor a few years ago) is a knee-jerk reaction to call BS on blatant lies & propaganda. I think it's a balancing act in knowing how to deal with revelation of Knowledge. Sometimes I want to let people know when they're being bamboozled but then it often ruins the fun...
I've got to the point where I almost don't want to do all the regular social things Londoners do. And this is good sometimes if it means avoiding the "daily" pub culture, or the idea that Black people can only enjoy ourselves in dodgy jampacked night clubs (that I don't care to take my gf to) or the fact that pretty much everybody in London is a drug addict - even if it's just addiction to fast food. But then, I'm probably missing out on quality stuff going on in the midst of the general nonesense.
Running off to Europe (mostly France & Dam) can't be the solution to my grating boredom. I seem to throw the baby out with the bath water sometimes.
The more money I make and the more I learn about my environment, the more my apathy grows... Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Children need Disney's Lion King cartoon. Lady friends deserve a night out on the town, why not the Lion King play.
But those of us presuming ourselves students of Africana and friends of freed minds need to critique Disney's Lion King for what it is and steer folk to MariDjata the real Lion King of factual Mande Africa not fictional Swahili Africa and yes even the old Egyptic African archetype of the Ausar cycle.
This is what I've been trying to figure out now.
+ I have little bros growin up in this world, and I loved the movie when it came out (I was a tyke).
Gotta get good at getting what's significant and when.
Oh yeah, and lol about the animals thing. One of my other fave movies as a tyke was Aladdin, yet since comin to this site, naturally, I remembered they made a movie about african characters - but they weren't people.
quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: ^Real talk. A "collateral damage" I have experienced in my psyche (since I awakened from my pentecostal-Christianity stupor a few years ago) is a knee-jerk reaction to call BS on blatant lies & propaganda. I think it's a balancing act in knowing how to deal with revelation of Knowledge. Sometimes I want to let people know when they're been bamboozled but then it often ruins the fun...
I've got to the point where I almost don't want to do all the regular social things Londoners do. And this is good sometimes if it means avoiding the "daily" pub culture, or the idea that Black people can only enjoy ourselves in dodgy jampacked night clubs (that I don't care to take my gf to) or the fact that pretty much everybody in London is a drug addict - even if it's just addiction to fast food. But then, I'm probably missing out on quality stuff going on in the midst of the general nonesense.
Running off to Europe (mostly France & Dam) can't be the solution to my grating boredom. I seem to throw the baby out with the bath water sometimes.
The more money I make and the more I learn about my environment, the more my apathy grows...
Don't know if anyone notices or not, but I don't usually spill my personalit/persona or personal life out onto the board. I generally just post to make ppl think, and other than that, post petty comments to petty posters, silly with silly, and serious with serious.
But Y Horus, the more comments you make, the more I know that we ARE VERY SIMILAR.
And not just similar in sense of humor, like what I've said about me and Masonic Reb (who I mis-took Tyro/UPman for as a newbie).
More in terms of overall personality, worldview, and lives.
All I can say to the above post, is I can relate, maybe more than U know.
If I knew this before, I would've been abit more fiery about the Movie, but be careful what you wish for - they could introduce evil/feindish acting primitive looking poachers or hunters.
Add that with a general distrust of suspicious comments from whiteys. U know, suspicious, rooted in the days of slavery, when no escaped slaves were never heard of again, and task maker would tell us the *worst* had happened to him, after he were caught... despite his love for making an example out of slave escapees, and other 'rascals'.
It's a code that goes back to West Indies Islands where they tried to tame the untamable and made out bond/solidarity stronger.
quote: The metaphor of the butterfly, the flapping of whose wings begins a chain of events that eventually create a hurricane, is the perfect device for contemplating the wisdom of Heru.
...but don't worry about me brother. The Internet is my platform; the matrix to my neo
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Protests a plenty over Tut but BAs let this one go right past them without so much as a whimper. Go figure.
Good post alTakruri, this is the first thing that came to my mind as opposed to Horus. Posts: 4021 | From: Bay Area, CA | Registered: Mar 2007
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Disney's Lion King is southern African. But, whether Zulu, Mande, or Nile Valley, it's all African stories based on tribal totems(Animal symbols).
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The biigest picture which some may've missed is the continuation of the safari myth, nothing of interest in Africa except animals who are superior and more interesting than humans.
Let's go back to Tarzan. No Africa is lord of the jungle. An orphaned Euro raised by apes is lord of jungle. Had he been raised by Africans he would have been nearly as inferior as they.
Sundiata is the Lion King. Do not forget it. You have never heard of him nor do you know the epic of old Mali but you do know Simba a fictional lion.
Continue to excuse the blatant intentional burial and distortion of your civilizations while Disney presents South American, East Asian, even Hawaiian heritage for the world to see. The dialectic being pushed is simple to see with even the slightes political acumen.
Disney even put the word nigger in the mouth of Dr. Doolittle. Have you heard cracker, mick, deygo, chink, gook, kike, spic, pineapple, camel-jock, or other pejoratives out of the mouth of characters adored by pre- teens?
Wake up.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: We still don't see the big picture. 1. It is about dollars 2. Who youtr audience are
How many white Americans will want to see an African "movie"? I will say very few. But a good story with animals, yes, most will.
Hence - the dollars and the audience. That's why the bros and sistas with the dollars, like the Oprahs and the Jordans, got to step up.
We got to thank them, Leucoderms, for the few that they make and market.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: but when it comes to Africa they use animals, aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
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I am of the mind set of Chenweizu(sp?). Racism is a by-product of economic power.
To change and to "cure" racism our peoples need economic power. See Japan, and now India and China. These people are accepted as equals because they have challenged the West/US economic structure. They are getting better at capitalism than the Europeans.
See the few bros and sistas that have that economic and financial power. Oprah etc. They are loved by white people.
As a people as a whole we are despised because we are poor both economically and "historically". The perception is we contributed nothing to humanity.
How do we change that???????
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I think economic power concentrated in the hands of Europeans is a by-product of Racism (an "on-going" PROGRAMME) and not vice versa.
To change it, we would have to seperate the white supremacists (as well as their non-white cohorts in Europe, Africa, Asia & Americas) from the rest of (bamboozled) humanity. When we know who these people are - we expose them and then work against them. Fyi, I think this is what Ron Paul is trying to do - but I may be wrong.
Racism is the "Means", Economic Power is the "End Goal".
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Maybe you should start a thread on this.. . .if there isn't one already.
Do an evaluation. Why do you think whites are racist?
Ask them this - it is because as a group they think we are worthless. Maybe someone has a paper/study on this.
And I sorry to put the pressure on you bros from the continent but the economic/power respect has to come from the continent. Places like Nigeria, SA, Ghana. As soon as these countries start building airplanes, tanks, steam ships, computers, fighter jets, space stations, manufacturing vaccines, etc etc etc . The views of the world will change.
By then the historical contribution of Africans may be irrelevant.
So I reiterate - racism is a by-product economic and technological weakness.
quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: I think economic power concentrated in the hands of Europeans is a by-product of Racism (an "on-going" PROGRAMME) and not vice versa.
To change it, we would have to seperate the white supremacists (as well as their non-white cohorts in Europe, Africa, Asia & Americas) from the rest of (bamboozled) humanity. When we know who these people are - we expose them and then work against them. Fyi, I think this is what Ron Paul is trying to do - but I may be wrong.
Racism is the "Means", Economic Power is the "End Goal".
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Black Africans (AE) was the economic and technological SUPER POWER in the world at one time. It lasted for close over THREE THOUUUUUUSAND years. That is a LOOOONG time.
And if you take the neolithic technology age then add another 5,000 or so.
It is hard for people to believe it because they judge us on what they see, NOW. Ancient Southern Europeans, Romans and Greeks didn't have a problem because they knew. They saw it first hand. The current Europeans DO NOT know.
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I don't agree. I think Racism came first. However, raising the conciousness of the human collective is the only solution. Other things like "improving our nations" will follow naturally.
With my (very limited) understanding of Egyptian spirituality and Bhuddism, I've come to the conviction that following a rigid system of fighting racism such as the "counter racism code" may not actually be fruitful.
Lao-Tse said:
"The mind of of the man of established virtue may be compared to that of a newborn child. He does not seem to suspect that poisonous insects bite or sting, that the claws of wild beasts can rend and the talons of birds of prey can tear...."
Buddha likewise preached the abolition of hatred and discord.
Bottom line is, I don't think we should be seeking to make the world "like us" running around trying to be "as good as" others. That's a sucker move.
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quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: The biigest picture which some may've missed is the continuation of the safari myth, nothing of interest in Africa except animals who are superior and more interesting than humans.
Let's go back to Tarzan. No Africa is lord of the jungle. An orphaned Euro raised by apes is lord of jungle. Had he been raised by Africans he would have been nearly as inferior as they.
Sundiata is the Lion King. Do not forget it. You have never heard of him nor do you know the epic of old Mali but you do know Simba a fictional lion.
Continue to excuse the blatant intentional burial and distortion of your civilizations while Disney presents South American, East Asian, even Hawaiian heritage for the world to see. The dialectic being pushed is simple to see with even the slightes political acumen.
Disney even put the word nigger in the mouth of Dr. Doolittle. Have you heard cracker, mick, deygo, chink, gook, kike, spic, pineapple, camel-jock, or other pejoratives out of the mouth of characters adored by pre- teens?
Wake up.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: We still don't see the big picture. 1. It is about dollars 2. Who youtr audience are
How many white Americans will want to see an African "movie"? I will say very few. But a good story with animals, yes, most will.
Hence - the dollars and the audience. That's why the bros and sistas with the dollars, like the Oprahs and the Jordans, got to step up.
We got to thank them, Leucoderms, for the few that they make and market.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: but when it comes to Africa they use animals, aaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
Well, Disney will have a black princess next year named Tiana. She will live in New Orleans, which is stupid. She will have a white prince named Naveen. You've heard of this, right?
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my point exactly. There is a need to whiten it or make it NOT too black. Hence the white prince. They got to get the crowds to see the show and 13% of the population would not cut it.
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Bro, spirituality is all well and good but we have to role up our sleeves and start working. Someone has to take the bull by the horns and get things done.
Praying to Jesus won't cut it.
Personally I have no problem with copying/mimicking what the Europeans have done. They have made great strides since they have been in power, circa AD 1500. Why re-invent the wheel?
True, the piece they are missing is the connection/importance with Nature and that is because of thier youthfulness and new found power.
quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S: I don't agree. I think Racism came first. However, raising the conciousness of the human collective is the only solution. Other things like "improving our nations" will follow naturally.
With my (very limited) understanding of Egyptian spirituality and Bhuddism, I've come to the conviction that following a rigid system of fighting racism such as the "counter racism code" may not actually be fruitful.
Lao-Tse said:
"The mind of of the man of established virtue may be compared to that of a newborn child. He does not seem to suspect that poisonous insects bite or sting, that the claws of wild beasts can rend and the talons of birds of prey can tear...."
Buddha likewise preached the abolition of hatred and discord.
Bottom line is, I don't think we should be seeking to make the world "like us" running around trying to be "as good as" others. That's a sucker move.
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We definitely have to roll up our sleeves and I believe that's what some of us are doing here.
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You do have the main point here but do you know what Nigeria produces or what Nigeria put in orbit?
But I'll tell you something, back in the mid 80's I could not get IBM to sell a mainframe to Cameroun.
In the late 90's I couldn't take my laptop into Barbados.
You do understand, underdevelopment is enforced from outside though embraced inside by corrupt politicos to the disadvantage of the citizenry.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman:
... as a group they think we are worthless.
... the economic/power respect has to come from the continent. Places like Nigeria, SA, Ghana. ... start building airplanes, tanks, steam ships, computers, fighter jets, space stations, manufacturing vaccines, etc etc etc .
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^The only solution is self-determination. If we don't get rid of Racism, that will be impossible because Racism conditions Black people to avoid self-determination.
Now, how to get rid of Racism is the BIG QUESTION no one has been able to answer yet.
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Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless you believe others outside yourself hold the power you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti From Plan to Planet: life studies; the need for Afrikan minds and institutions Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973 Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins Home is a Dirty Street: the social oppression of Black children Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
First book I read that opened my world to the real Ancient Egypt.
I'll soon check the others out. Thanks.
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Why are all the books from Chicago? Chicago keeps popping up on my radar these days. Funny thing is, I was in the Chicago (for the first time ever) three weeks ago. I was there for 3 days. Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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As I said.. .in my view racism is loathing of a group of people for two reasons. I don’t think it is “physical”. Infact it is CAN NOT be looking at the Connell University genetic study. That study only re-affirmed what most people sense but won’t come out and admit. IF Africa is the birth place of man - more than likely Africans will have an edge in nature.
The loathing is caused by of two things. 1. What they see. 2. What they “know”- (History).
Europeans SEE everyday in the news a backward continent. Impoverish people begging for hand-outs. Killing each other. Unable to feed their own. No Technology and no sophistication. How can THEY be equal to US. We see that even with SOME AA towards bros. from the continent. That is also prejudicial. And the media keep pumping out those images with their informercials.
But forget about what they see and let’s look at what they “know”. As far as they KNOW the continent has always been like that. There is no history of Africans ever getting out of the “twigs, weed and loin cloth” technology. African never really even entered the stone age. They have no ancient castles, no great forts, no stone walls etc etc etc. That is why it is hard for some to believe AE were black Africans. And the FEW Eurocentrics have their agenda to maintain that belief.
So present day peoples regardless of race have no other choice than to either feel sorry for the continent, people and decendants or look at them as a worthless burden ie RACISM.
THE SOLUTION – reverse or destroy the two assertions. And that is not going to happen in our lifetime. It will take at least two generations. The important thing is for the current leaders to lay the foundation for the coming ones. AND CORRECT THE HISTORY BOOKS. ie forums, movies, documentaries etc.
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Great authors. Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ? Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless you believe others outside yourself hold the power you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti From Plan to Planet: life studies; the need for Afrikan minds and institutions Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973 Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins Home is a Dirty Street: the social oppression of Black children Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
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^Thanks for your input bro, I feel what you and alTakruri are saying and I really appreciate your insights.
Racism has bothered me ... since I read that book by Neely Fuller. Although I have never been able to hate people for their "colour" (it's just not in me - I've always found it too stupid/silly/pointless to engage in), it made me perhaps a bit too suspicious of "white people".
But:
quote:Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
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The pertinent thing in the book is his plan. Study it and implement as much of it as you can in all the groups you work with everywhere.
quote:Originally posted by H*O*R*I*Z*O*N^*^H*O*R*U*S:
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
First book I read that opened my world to the real Ancient Egypt.
I'll soon check the others out. Thanks.
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^I see brother. I'll go and dig it out. I remember reading the "The Master Plan" at the end of the book and feeling overwhelmed by it. But I was much younger back then. Thanks.
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This is the problem of inattentive superficial perusal. I'm not referencing the non-existant Madhubuti book you invented "In Search of Enemies" (actually a title written by an ex-CIA agent deployed in Africa).
Nor are these dime novels that you pick up and read and pronounce -- good book! These works are detailed political analyses with solutions to the problems the global black community faces not simply hateful bruthas rapping about how bad whitey is.
If you'd actually studied them you'd know that.
You're the one talking about race hating racism.
There is no next stage to either Madhubuti or Williams unless you've just superficially skim reading them instead of breaking down and implementing either of their detailed plans.
To date their methodology hasn't been implemented on more than a small group scale, mostly by independent institutions geared to elementary education. Higher education, industry, etc., are ignorant of their methodology or because of rhetorical ideaologues presentation have rejected even examining and analyzing either plan.
It amazes me how so many equate love of self with hatred of others when it comes to black people exercising control over their own affairs.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Great authors. Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ? Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless you believe others outside yourself hold the power you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti From Plan to Planet: life studies; the need for Afrikan minds and institutions Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973 Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins Home is a Dirty Street: the social oppression of Black children Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
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My bad. Yeah I was speaking about "Haki - in search of enemies". As I said, I read it awhile back.
But the important thing is identifying the problem. Which to me - as a teen - Chenweizu and Fanon did on the economic and psychological level.
And it holds true today.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: This is the problem of inattentive superficial perusal. I'm not referencing the non-existant Madhubuti book you invented "In Search of Enemies" (actually a title written by an ex-CIA agent deployed in Africa).
Nor are these dime novels that you pick up and read and pronounce -- good book! These works are detailed political analyses with solutions to the problems the global black community faces not simply hateful bruthas rapping about how bad whitey is.
If you'd actually studied them you'd know that.
You're the one talking about race hating racism.
There is no next stage to either Madhubuti or Williams unless you've just superficially skim reading them instead of breaking down and implementing either of their detailed plans.
To date their methodology hasn't been implemented on more than a small group scale, mostly by independent institutions geared to elementary education. Higher education, industry, etc., are ignorant of their methodology or because of rhetorical ideaologues presentation have rejected even examining and analyzing either plan.
It amazes me how so many equate love of self with hatred of others when it comes to black people exercising control over their own affairs.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Great authors. Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ? Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless you believe others outside yourself hold the power you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti From Plan to Planet: life studies; the need for Afrikan minds and institutions Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973 Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins Home is a Dirty Street: the social oppression of Black children Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
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I know its hard when you've got xyy instead of xy so let me splain it agin. There is no such book by Madhubuti entitled In Search of Enemies. That book was written by an ex-CIA operative named Stockwell if I recall correctly.
One more time, the Madhubuti book I'm talking about is From Plan to Planet: life studies; the need for Afrikan minds and institutions
It is not a novel. One does not simply read it. One studies it and puts it principles into action in one's life and environment.
I hope you understand now and will stop commenting on a work yuo know nothing about and thereby mislead others who know even less.
Madhubuti does more than identify problems. Who can't do that? Madhubuti offers solutions.
Go and read and study and implement.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: My bad. Yeah I was speaking about "Haki - in search of enemies". As I said, I read it awhile back.
But the important thing is identifying the problem. Which to me - as a teen - Chenweizu and Fanon did on the economic and psychological level.
And it holds true today.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: This is the problem of inattentive superficial perusal. I'm not referencing the non-existant Madhubuti book you invented "In Search of Enemies" (actually a title written by an ex-CIA agent deployed in Africa).
Nor are these dime novels that you pick up and read and pronounce -- good book! These works are detailed political analyses with solutions to the problems the global black community faces not simply hateful bruthas rapping about how bad whitey is.
If you'd actually studied them you'd know that.
You're the one talking about race hating racism.
There is no next stage to either Madhubuti or Williams unless you've just superficially skim reading them instead of breaking down and implementing either of their detailed plans.
To date their methodology hasn't been implemented on more than a small group scale, mostly by independent institutions geared to elementary education. Higher education, industry, etc., are ignorant of their methodology or because of rhetorical ideaologues presentation have rejected even examining and analyzing either plan.
It amazes me how so many equate love of self with hatred of others when it comes to black people exercising control over their own affairs.
quote:Originally posted by xyyman: Great authors. Have/had two of them since in my late teens. That has been some time now.
Haki - In Search of Enemies ? Williams - DBC
But we got to take it to the next level. And work on the solution. Remember even Malcolm moved away from race hating after his second Hadj.
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: Don't be fooled. Racism is not the concern unless you believe others outside yourself hold the power you need to actualize yourself.
It may be a bit antiquated but get a copy of
Haki R Madhubuti From Plan to Planet: life studies; the need for Afrikan minds and institutions Detroit: Broadside Press, 1973 Chicago: Third World Press, 1992
Chancellor Williams The Destruction of Black Civilization: great issues of a race from 4500 B.C. to 2000 A.D. Chicago: Third World Press, 1974 & 1987
And to see the same game was run down on Africans both sides of the Atlantic
Useni Eugene Perkins Home is a Dirty Street: the social oppression of Black children Chicago: Third World Press, 1975
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But seriously, it’s been awhile, I have to go look for that book and check the author. And I wasn’t misleading anyone, you mis-understood what I was saying. Certain books/authors stands out – The Haki M. I was speaking about wrote - Enemies. I assumed it was the same Haki YOU were speaking about. I was wrong. I never said I read or assimilated the book YOUR Haki wrote. . . . jeeeze!!!
I BELIEVE my guy did change his name to Haki. I will try to find scan and put up.
BTW – what is the PROBLEM/CAUSE. . .in your view? And what is the solution per your Haki?
To be straight-up I don’t have time to read as much. I use the cheat sheets, videos, short papers etc. Hey! there is so much going on today. Information overload.
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Here is what I was talking about. Did have to search. Amazon it!!! Posts: 12143 | From: When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable | Registered: Jun 2007
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You want to get cute eh? OK cut to the chase F U C K YOU!
This is no joke, this is about serious redemption of a people relegated to the dungheap of humanity. Take your snide attitude back to the playground with your peers.
For those who are intent on core resolutions here's an example of Madhubuti's acute analysis
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”…a blue, plastic airplane with blue wheels, a blue propeller, and a blue string on the front of the plane so that I could take it home and roll it on the linoleum floor. Then the following week she took me and my sister to Dearborn, Michigan where she occasionally did domestic work. This was back when our mothers cleaned up white folks' homes. Dearborn was where the men who ran the automobile industry lived. I quickly noticed that they lived differently. There were no five and dime stores in Dearborn at that time. There were craft shops. There were hobby stores where white mothers and fathers brought their children airplanes in boxes. . In the boxes were wooden parts and directions for assembling and gluing small airplanes. After the plane was put together, the little boy did not roll it on the floor. He took it outside and it flew. I was learning to be a consumer who depended upon others to build the plane for me. Translating that into the larger world, I was being taught to use things and to use my body from the neck down, while the white upper class boy was being taught very early to prepare himself to build things, to run things, and to use his body from the neck up. My world depended upon others…His world consisted of controlling, running, making things and having other people work for him. .
In this slice of life you see two different kinds of consciousness being developed. In my case and that of the other poor youth, we would buy the planes already assembled, take it home, and hope it rolled on the floor like a car or truck. But it was a plane! In Dearborn the family would invest in a learning toy that the child would put together, and through this process learn work ethics, science, and math principle. As a result of that, the plane would fly. . .
(“As Serious As First Love,” Black Genius, p. 64)
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^ ...and so it goes on my Amazon wishlist. I cannot possibly express my gratefulness enough.Posts: 3423 | From: the jungle - when y'all stop playing games, call me. | Registered: Jul 2006
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If you would practice what Madhubuti teaches you would get his works either directly from his 3rd World Press http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/ or from an independent African owned book seller however inconvenient that might be to accomplish. He'd call it co-operative economics (and it's as easy as http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/browse.php?id=24.
Enemies: the clash of races, does not have what Plan to Planet has, an operative community building plan, and is no substitute.
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Boy you are really getting your knickers all twisted about nothing.
But moving on. . . touching piece of writing but let us analyze what the piece said and its applicability!!
quote:Originally posted by alTakruri: You want to get cute eh? OK cut to the chase F U C K YOU!
This is no joke, this is about serious redemption of a people relegated to the dungheap of humanity. Take your snide attitude back to the playground with your peers. )[/CODE]
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quote: Originally posted by alTakruri: If you would practice what Madhubuti teaches you would get his works either directly from his 3rd World Press http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/ or from an independent African owned book seller however inconvenient that might be to accomplish. He'd call it co-operative economics (and it's as easy as http://www.thirdworldpressinc.com/browse.php?id=24.
Enemies: the clash of races, does not have what Plan to Planet has, an operative community building plan, and is no substitute.
No doubt. Part of the problem is, I (and many others) are trained to use these "mainstream" outlets for pretty much everything as part of our education ... from a very young age.
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I agree (for the most, as far as I can tell) with alTakruri on the racism/economic struggle tip, except for I haven't read Chancellor Williams - I almost got his book at Barnes & Nobles a couple months back, when picking a book to read.
Time [With Ursula Rucker] - "4 score and several centruies, misery not even a word blurred by the beam of eden, but certain sceeming made them heathen, serpant sceeming made us heathen, fa-{#$%}-ers, renegades, resisters of the truth-twisters, I want those demons screaming, underfoot of harkened angels and [somethin] fought, [somethin] painful, I've learned Darwin's Theory well, just an ism? no not while my inner schism has me in it's grasp, threatening to suck me like cleopatra's asp Now I'm the one with loaded guns, murdering other mothers' sons, making devils swell with pride as I ride Hades' river-boat, choke on the blood of my victom, Sin, my one desire stoke the fires of hell I'm in the belly of the beast, Peace, An anomaly Covenant's Arc and Indiana Jones myth to me..."
There are many others - including the song Lupe used for background in his "DayDream".
I've even (I think) seen you mention 'Massive Attack'.
Don't know why, but couldn't find more 'up-beat' ones at the mo.
Any way, as far as rappers go, I
* don't put everyone (mainstream) into two groups (good-guys vs. bad guys - it's too simplistic).
* tend to reside out of the mainstream (infact, wasn't paying too much attention to Lupe because of that, and was elated when you showed me a song of his I'd never heard; he's one of my favorites now - I just favorited a shizload of his songs to my Youtube account)
Hieroglyphics - Powers that Be
Blackalicious - Alphabetic Aerobics
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