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Could someone clarify these statements, seems quite misleading.
The skeletons showed the same high forehead, upright posture and slender (gracile) skeleton as modern humans. Other specimens have since come to light in other parts of Europe and in the Middle East. The European individuals probably descended from an East African origin via South Asia, Central Asia, the Middle East and even North Africa from a genetic perspective [4] [1] (cromagnoid populations of Mechta El Arbi and Afalou bou Rummel
Seems right, but I’m not sure about the statement below; did their measurements really, approximate to modern day Finns? I thought they were tropically adapted! The author could have perhaps said that after a certain period of time Cro-Magnons evolved more cold adapted bodies which became closest to the Finns…
Cro-Magnons lived from about 45,000 to 10,000 years ago in the Upper Paleolithic period of the Pleistocene epoch. Cro-Magnon were anatomically modern, only differing from their modern day descendants in Europe by their more robust physiology and slightly larger cranial capacity.[3] Of modern nationalities, Finns are closest to Cro-Magnons in terms of anthropological measurements.[4]
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CroMagnon is the name of some caves in France where Paleolithic humans made some cave paintings.
Any effort to turn CroMagnon into and archtype - subspecies or race....is wishful thinking and ideological projection.
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mentu - You have unwittingly stumbled onto race-based science at it's stupidest best. Cro-magnon is universally described as an Archaic form of Homo-sapien: (Archaic means: Of, relating to, or characteristic of a much earlier, often more primitive stage, especially one that later develops into a classical stage).
Logically then; Cro-magnon MUST be older than modern humans. But quite the contrary; modern humans are much OLDER than Cro-Magnon. That makes no sense you say! Of course not, but it serves a useful purpose, I will explain. As I'm sure you know, history is written by the victors. So when in the last few decades this bit of fiction became untenable:
A fall-back position had to be found. You see, the problem is this; The first modern man to enter Europe was the Khoisan African, Grimaldi, at about 45,000 years ago. He was later followed by the hybrid human Cro-Magnon, at about 30,000 years ago.
There was no way to claim that Grimaldi was White, so the idiot racist latched onto Cro-Magnon as the original White inhabitants of Europe. They then credited him with the beginnings of art and other such things: (all the while, modern humans had already been there for 15,000 years). Then they created bogus busts of this new-found White man.
But as you correctly pointed out; since Cro-Magnon originated in north Africa, he was tropically adapted, therefore the White depictions are bogus, but that hasn't stopped them. The alternative would be to admit that White people reached Europe just 3,000 years ago. Meaning that they were not part of anything; they are not going to do that.
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Encyclopædia Britannica - Cro-Magnon: population of early Homo sapiens dating from the Upper Paleolithic Period (c. 40,000 to c. 10,000 years ago) in Europe.
(The Encyclopædia Britannica article includes this picture)
In 1868, in a shallow cave at Cro-Magnon near the town of Les Eyzies-de-Tayac in the Dordogne region of southwestern France, a number of obviously ancient human skeletons were found. The cave was investigated by the French geologist Édouard Lartet, who uncovered five archaeological layers. The human bones found in the topmost layer proved to be between 10,000 and 35,000 years old. The prehistoric humans revealed by this find were called Cro-Magnon and have since been considered, along with Neanderthals (H. neanderthalensis), to be representative of prehistoric humans.
Cro-Magnons were robustly built and powerful and are presumed to have been about 166 to 171 cm (about 5 feet 5 inches to 5 feet 7 inches) tall. The body was generally heavy and solid, apparently with strong musculature. The forehead was straight, with slight browridges, and the face short and wide. Cro-Magnons were the first humans (genus Homo) to have a prominent chin. The brain capacity was about 1,600 cc (100 cubic inches), somewhat larger than the average for modern humans. It is thought that Cro-Magnons were probably fairly tall compared with other early human species.
It is still hard to say precisely where Cro-Magnons belong in recent human evolution, but they had a culture that produced a variety of sophisticated tools such as retouched blades, end scrapers, “nosed” scrapers, the chisel-like tool known as a burin, and fine bone tools (see Aurignacian culture). They also seem to have made tools for smoothing and scraping leather. Some Cro-Magnons have been associated with the Gravettian industry, or Upper Perigordian industry, which is characterized by an abrupt retouching technique that produces tools with flat backs. Cro-Magnon dwellings are most often found in deep caves and in shallow caves formed by rock overhangs, although primitive huts, either lean-tos against rock walls or those built completely from stones, have been found. The rock shelters were used year-round; the Cro-Magnons seem to have been a settled people, moving only when necessary to find new hunting or because of environmental changes.
Here is where they purposefully confuse Cro-Magnon with Grimaldi. The fact that a prestigious publisher like Britannica, would take part in something like this; is proof that scientific racism is institutionalized
Like the Neanderthals, the Cro-Magnon people buried their dead. The first examples of art by prehistoric peoples are Cro-Magnon. The Cro-Magnons carved and sculpted small engravings, reliefs, and statuettes not only of humans but also of animals. Their human figures generally depict large-breasted, wide-hipped, and often obviously pregnant women, from which it is assumed that these figures had significance in fertility rites. Numerous depictions of animals are found in Cro-Magnon cave paintings throughout France and Spain at sites such as Lascaux, Eyzies-de-Tayac, and Altamira, and some of them are surpassingly beautiful. It is thought that these paintings had some magic or ritual importance to the people. From the high quality of their art, it is clear that Cro-Magnons were not primitive amateurs but had previously experimented with artistic mediums and forms. Decorated tools and weapons show that they appreciated art for aesthetic purposes as well as for religious reasons.
It is difficult to determine how long the Cro-Magnons lasted and what happened to them. Presumably they were gradually absorbed into the European populations that came later. Individuals with some Cro-Magnon characteristics, commonly called Cro-Magnoids, have been found in the Mesolithic Period (8000 to 5000 bc) and the Neolithic Period (5000 to 2000 bc)
Note to Rasol - Learn something FIRST; THEN share!
talkorigins.org indeed: You cite a bulletin Board? Outrageous.
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